Well I know we had one in the old Single Player section so why not start another one.
This can be about anything Final Fantasy Related, and now that I can easily separate the topics. So any ways let us start with Final Fantasy VII.
Many people understand why it was so big was because the graphics were innovative and the story line great. What other reasons did you have for liking it? If you didn't like FFVII then what Final fantasy's did you like and why?
You can go off this topic in any direction as you like as long as it does not break the rules and involves Final Fantasy.

FF12 is sooo close! I can't wait! Anyways, yeah I liked FF7, but I never beat it due to the fact that I got to the Big Materia part and completely forgot about the game. I went back to playing and now I have no clue where to go :P. Oh well, I can start a new game. I thought FF7 had a great storyline to it. It isn't like all other RPGs in the sense that some damsel is in distress and you have to save her or the worlds in danger and you have to save it. In FF7 Clouds main objective is basically revenge. It's kind of like a soap opera when you think about it :D. But...yeah. GOD I CAN'T WAIT FOR FF12!!!

Yes I agree even though every story involves love (because that is the main thing of it) the story is never just shot blank a fighting or love story it is very complicated and has many twists.
I also am very happy FFXII is close, I reserved it the first day it was reservable lol.
I beat it once but I have beaten FFIX many times. I think that FFVII is the most challenging in the sense of the extra bad bosses I was never able to defeat.

Final Fantasy VII has a fantastic storyline. The game was awesome, and so were the minigames. The optional bosses were kick ass also, and I've beaten both:p .

OMG i know =X i cant wait for FF12
and no matter how much it is, i love the fact that their story lines are so cliche =]

Stupid question: Isnt final fantasy is p2p? -.-''
and why there is lots of FF? i mean, wtf there is like 12

The Final Fantasy p2p is FINAL FANTASY XI try searching here.http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/index.shtml

also there's so many of them
Its a great storyboard and they all are fun to play!
even the older games are today too!

One of the great vid you can watch is the extreme movie.
Final Fantasy Advent children
This movie is the best!
a real to game visual portrayal of a fantastic saga. :D
http://www.ffinsider.net/ff7ac/ss/23.jpg

FFVII has an awful storyline =/.

What do I like about FFVII?
The fact that Tifa's practically busting out of her t-shirt and miniskirt.

I realy dissagree with u Chewie...... final fantasy VII has the best story line of the entire series in my opinion, i realy didnt like the latest ones (IX,X,X-2). Lets hope its was just a slump and they will improve with 12,and 13's.

I liked FFVII because Could has a big sword:) . THe part I liked in Advent children was when Cloud was fighting Him(can't spell his name and I don't have enough time to find out until later).

FF10 and FF10-2, graphics and whatnot were good.

Well seven has been the portal to all of the modern rpg's as we know it.but fromon through the portal its been hard for other FF rpg's to compare,why because we still is glamourized by the way seven has done to us.How some things we can't let go but has to.From then on the story of others just seems plain,nothing can top the way death of a main roleplaying character.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person that doesn't like FF7. Don't get me wrong, its a good game, but the story is somewhat... lacking; the "materia" magic system seems abit, err, incomplete(?); and, though this one has more to do with the games fans, AERIS' DEATH DIDN'T MAKE ME SAD! I was sadder when Tellah died in FF4, or Galuf in FF5, atleast they went down fighting. But one thing that has made me despise FF7 more than ever has been the atrocious Advent Children. It seems everybody, Square included, has forgotten alot about their own friggen game. I.E. Vincent, we all know hes a freak of science and such, but hes still HUMAN. There's also all the flying around they do, like its friggen DBZ or something. All right, I'm done ranting about FF7 in general for now.

In terms of a favorite, I'd have to say FF8, it had well-developed characters and a story I could actually enjoy, which hadn't happened since my first time through FF4(then FF2 in the U.S.). I also liked the number of GFs(summons) and the junction system.

I was realy happy to see that FF13 is coming it serves that FF series is still going strong....... PRE-RENDERED!!!!!!!!!!!!

To me, FF7 is still the best of the final fantasies. That said, i've only completed the 3d ones. I tried playing the old 2d ones..but got bored. FFX came close though, i thought the FFX story for the most part was pretty interesting. The only thing that annoyed me about FFX was Tidus and Rikku flailing their arms like lunatics everytime they said simple little things. Granted it could seem stupid due to the translation, but it still looked awkward. I hope in FF12, they dont go overboard with the body movements while their characters are talking, and less annoying voice actors would help a lot too (Tidus, rikku and yuna had horrible voices, the other characters were done very well).

I realy dissagree with u Chewie...... final fantasy VII has the best story line of the entire series in my opinion, i realy didnt like the latest ones (IX,X,X-2). Lets hope its was just a slump and they will improve with 12,and 13's.
If you can tell me why FFVII has the best storyline in the series, that would be excellent.

The game starts off good, and it looks promising, but just as it reaches the second disc it begins to go downhill. For the most part of the last three discs, you have to piece the storyline together yourself. Square didn't do this intentionally, they just wrote their storyline poorly, leaving it with multiple plot holes.
One is the fact that Sephiroth kills Aeris (Aerith) whilst frozen elsewhere. The game never explains how it was that Sephiroth got to Aeris, and the only explanation that can be made is pure theory.

Another hole is how Zack and Cloud shared the same memories. The game attempts to fix this by that memory thing near the end of the game, but ultimately this just makes it more confusing by not answering all of the question [if it truly was Cloud who lived in Nibelheim, and not Zack, why did Tifa say something about Zack living there? (I can't really remember what Tifa did, but it was something about Zack living in Nibelheim when he was young)].

Any reason as to how these happened would be pure speculation, as the game never explains it. There are more plot holes, by the way.

Well seven has been the portal to all of the modern rpg's as we know it.
No it hasn't.

in my opinion ff6 has the best storyline in the series, sure it may not be pretty and is still in the days of sprites, but it was involving. I played ff7 and whilst being very good i wouldn't say it's as good as 6.

chewey, what happened with zack and Cloud is this:
Cloud lived in nibelheim when he was young, and went to join SOLDIER, but he never managed to become one. Instead, he was just a normal shinra guard. He was one of the 2 guards in blue uniforms that accompanied Zack and Sephiroth, who were the actual members of SOLDIER to nibelheim to check out the reactor. Zack is actually from Gongaga. Everything cloud says he did when he tells his story the first time after you leave Midgar, was actually done by Zack, and Cloud was basically watching. Both he and Zack get struck down by Sephiroth, and then Hojo takes them to the lab underneath the mansion in nibelheim and does tests on them. My understanding is, this is when he fuses Mako into cloud, in an attempt to make him a sephiroth clone. Eventually, Zack and cloud escape, but shinra troops catch up to them. Zack dies fighting them, while cloud gets away. But he's traumatised, and thinks he did the things Zack did. And i dont remember Tifa ever saying Zack was from nibelheim.

Its true some of the game had its plot holes but they where small and its main plot was well constructed. The anime episode dont remenber what it was called explained everything regarding Zack and Cloud.

That was Last order, baisically what happened to Zack and Cloud on their way to Midgar before the game.

The last order really only showed their escape..the whole story is pretty much in the game. You find out everything that happened when Cloud is infected with mako and Tifa tries to bring him out of his coma. They revisit the past, and that whole story is revealed (together with you visiting the mansion later on, which triggers some flash backs if i remember correctly).

Ive heard alot about Advent Children I dont get it is it a movie or a game/movie of FF? and how do you get it :confused:

also could anyone tell me more about it plots and things and what it does for the FF series:)

chewey, what happened with zack and Cloud is this:
Cloud lived in nibelheim when he was young, and went to join SOLDIER, but he never managed to become one. Instead, he was just a normal shinra guard. He was one of the 2 guards in blue uniforms that accompanied Zack and Sephiroth, who were the actual members of SOLDIER to nibelheim to check out the reactor. Zack is actually from Gongaga. Everything cloud says he did when he tells his story the first time after you leave Midgar, was actually done by Zack, and Cloud was basically watching. Both he and Zack get struck down by Sephiroth, and then Hojo takes them to the lab underneath the mansion in nibelheim and does tests on them. My understanding is, this is when he fuses Mako into cloud, in an attempt to make him a sephiroth clone. Eventually, Zack and cloud escape, but shinra troops catch up to them. Zack dies fighting them, while cloud gets away. But he's traumatised, and thinks he did the things Zack did. And i dont remember Tifa ever saying Zack was from nibelheim.
She welcomed him back (since he left as a child) to Nibelheim if I remember correctly.

So how did Cloud get Zack's memories then?

The Mako reacted violently with Cloud and really messed with his mind and you have to consider that both Zack and Cloud were in Mako tanks. So how their memories and stuff got mixed up and when Cloud was taken out his memoris were real fuzzy. So it was from Zack talking to him on the way before Zack was killed that Cloud started to take on Zacks memories as his own.:cool: Course other stuff might have lead to it. Like how Cloud wanted tobe fighting along sifde Sephiroth like Zack and all.

Maybe to impress Tifa aswell? Maybe, maybe not. They were pretty close when they were younger and still close when they were older. Though their paths werent always aligned. The game and the movie advent children points to that they didn't always see things the same way. Course in both Cloud comes to save Tifa just in time in his own way.

The Mako reacted violently with Cloud and really messed with his mind and you have to consider that both Zack and Cloud were in Mako tanks. So how their memories and stuff got mixed up and when Cloud was taken out his memoris were real fuzzy. So it was from Zack talking to him on the way before Zack was killed that Cloud started to take on Zacks memories as his own.:cool: Course other stuff might have lead to it. Like how Cloud wanted tobe fighting along sifde Sephiroth like Zack and all.
The game makes no mention of this.

She welcomed him back (since he left as a child) to Nibelheim if I remember correctly.

So how did Cloud get Zack's memories then?

There part where Tifa would've welcomed Cloud back to nibelheim, is when Cloud is telling the story. Cloud thinks he was fighting alongside sephiroth, and Tifa welcomed him back when he came to Nibelheim. But that never happened. Of course Tifa remembers very little of the incident, as she was struck down by sephiroth aswell.

EDIT:
The game makes no mention of this.
About Zack and Cloud being in two connected mako tanks? Course it does. If you go to the shinra mansion later on and examine the tanks, it shows how zack scratched escape plans on to the side of the tank. And you get flash backs aswell (still not sure if thats where u get the flashbacks, or you get them from somewhere else, but the game does show it).

Ive heard alot about Advent Children I dont get it is it a movie or a game/movie of FF? and how do you get it

also could anyone tell me more about it plots and things and what it does for the FF series

Advent Children is a movie based on FF7. It takes place 2 years after FF7 finishes. Not really related to any of the other Final Fantasies. The plot of advent children really isn't all that great..its just the action is really awesome, its not really a chapter you MUST know to appreciate FF7, you mainly watch it to see the FF7 characters in action rather than what you saw when you selected the "Attack" action.

About Zack and Cloud being in two connected mako tanks? Course it does. If you go to the shinra mansion later on and examine the tanks, it shows how zack scratched escape plans on to the side of the tank. And you get flash backs aswell (still not sure if thats where u get the flashbacks, or you get them from somewhere else, but the game does show it).
No, I mean the effects the tanks had on them and how their memories were transferred.

No, I mean the effects the tanks had on them and how their memories were transferred.

Ah yah...i think thats Testament's personal theory, they didn't show that in the game. Cloud only has the same memories of that incident because he was a close observer, he was basically one step behind Zack the whole time. He just got confused by the mako treatment. I dont think there was a direct memory transfer.

Cloud probably was traumatised by the whole thing.. i think...

Ah yah...i think thats Testament's personal theory, they didn't show that in the game. Cloud only has the same memories of that incident because he was a close observer, he was basically one step behind Zack the whole time. He just got confused by the mako treatment. I dont think there was a direct memory transfer.
That is also a theory.

That is also a theory.
Only the last 2 sentences are theory...

Only the last 2 sentences are theory...
Removing the sentence about what Testament said being a theory would've been effortttt not worth effortorizing.

Removing the sentence about what Testament said being a theory would've been effortttt not worth effortorizing.

:confused: now u've just confused me...whats effortorizing??

The fact is, no matter how much i give my view, you probably still wont like FF7, and you wont be alone, just accept that the vast majority of rpg players still hold FF7 to be one of the best rpgs ever.

Meh, yeah my theories are merely speculation upon my part. I dont know what really happened and I dont even think some of the manufacturers know either. Only the guys/girls that developed the storyline could truly know. Even than that would be a small minority of the whole thing.:eek:

The fact is, no matter how much i give my view, you probably still wont like FF7, and you wont be alone, just accept that the vast majority of rpg players still hold FF7 to be one of the best rpgs ever.
My problem isn't all that much with FF7, but moreso with its fanbase (who most of the time claim it to be something better than it is, and quite often without reason).

Most consider it the best RPG ever, because quite often it is the first RPG they ever played, (if not, the first FF they ever played) as it was released early in the boom of the PS. People claim it to be the best in the series, even without playing the earlier NES/SNES games. Basically what I have been trying to prove is that FF7 is far from the best RPG ever, let alone the best FF ever.

Meh, yeah my theories are merely speculation upon my part. I dont know what really happened and I dont even think some of the manufacturers know either. Only the guys/girls that developed the storyline could truly know. Even than that would be a small minority of the whole thing.:eek:
If they knew, they would've put it in the game :rolleyes:

omg that movie was an outragious movie i have to say i loved it to me its story line was alsome

I am planning on getting a Wii because it seems a lot more fun than PS3 or 360. The price is also a huge factor for me. But, FFXIII won't be on Wii, only Dragon Quest and Crystal Chronicles. I really hope S-E ports it onto Wii, as they are going to do on 360 (I believe).

I'm deciding to get both the Wii and the PS3 because I support Nintendo and PS3 is going to have a lot of good games. The Xbox 360 though, that's different. They did just that, a 360. They took the Xbox and tried to 180 (aka: changing it) but ended up going around in a circle, thus resulting in a 360. I know that PS3 did the same thing, and I hate Sony for doing it, but so many great games are coming out on the PS3 and I don't want to miss out. Some of you are probably thinking "Well the Xbox 360 has good games too." But the majority of the games for Xbox are going to be released for PC...so deal with it. Xbox 360 isn't all it's thought to be. I'm not saying it sucks...it just didn't get my good opinion. Sony did the same thing, a 360. They took the PS2 and made it "better". Yes there are new features and it can handle more, but what the hell? It's almost the same! Now the Wii is a whole new concept and it features more than just better games. More innovative games are it's specialty. A new controller, not the same as the one we have been using for 30 years(exaggeration). Anyways...sorry for rambling.

I also plan on getting both except I'll get the wii right away and ps3 can wait til i see final fantasy XIII in the stores... fuckin 600-800$ isn't easy to get when 75% of your money goes in the bank for when your 18 :eek:

Ask for money for birthday + christmas, I usually get around 3k or so everytime total. My birthday is right next to christmas.... soooooo I get all my money at once basically. Do what you can to get your stuff though because it'll be worth the money no doubt.

Ask for money for birthday + christmas, I usually get around 3k or so everytime total. My birthday is right next to christmas.... soooooo I get all my money at once basically. Do what you can to get your stuff though because it'll be worth the money no doubt.

Some of us are in low-income families. I don't get anything for Christmas. Just birthday, which is probably just $50.

well i imagine maybe 100 from grandpa and my mom don't give cash so 100$:D better then nothing

I am planning on getting a Wii because it seems a lot more fun than PS3 or 360. The price is also a huge factor for me. But, FFXIII won't be on Wii, only Dragon Quest and Crystal Chronicles. I really hope S-E ports it onto Wii, as they are going to do on 360 (I believe).
The only FF game that will be released on the 360 is FFXI.

i cant wait for dirge of cerberus:)

wrong. cloud only took zack's memories because he didn't want to be a weakling. Hence, that's why he told the lie to tifa.

wrong. cloud only took zack's memories because he didn't want to be a weakling. Hence, that's why he told the lie to tifa.


You sir are wrong. Cloud was messed up with the Mako and was having memory spikes. So his true memory was literally torn into bits and peices. This helps explain as to why Tifa had to go and fix his memory in the first place and I think your statement about Cloud being a weakling is abit too biased. Obviously you havent seen Advent Children? When Cloud was stabbed by Seph and still lifeted the guy up and tossed him into the life stream? What about the game? Did you even beat it to see that Cloud was basically the toughest guy there, protaganist. Not to mention that Cloud was no push-over even when Zack outranked him back in the past.

So no, Cloud didn't lie. He actually believed that he had Zacks memories. There are alot a theories out there as to why but I stick by mine. Which was the Mako basically screwing up Clouds originally memories, him getting saved by Zack, than the ride on the back of a truck with Zack. Where Zack tried to fill Cloud in about everything and most likly tossed in some of his very own experences aswell.

I just recently saw the new trailer for Final Fantasy 12, and I'd have to say that I'm quite impressed. From what I've seen so far, the dialouge actually sounds acceptable, and the change of the regular end of the world story line for a warring nations kind of story line is great....
I wasn't really considering buying number 12, but now I am...

FF12 is supposed to take place in the same lands as FF:Tactics. That alone has motivated me to give it a try even if it isnt based in the same time period. FF:Tactics is just that good if ya ask me and anything remotely close to it is worth trying.

FF12 is going to be great (anyone seen the chocobos yet. those things look viscious now, no more kiddy crap I'm guessing) and yes it will be in Ivalice...I hope. They should really keep it the way it's going, but they said some MAJOR changes were in order. Oh well, at least it will be good.

This helps explain as to why Tifa had to go and fix his memory in the first place and I think your statement about Cloud being a weakling is abit too biased. Obviously you havent seen Advent Children? When Cloud was stabbed by Seph and still lifeted the guy up and tossed him into the life stream? What about the game? Did you even beat it to see that Cloud was basically the toughest guy there, protaganist. Not to mention that Cloud was no push-over even when Zack outranked him back in the past.


i have seen advent children, and personally, it sucked. keep in mind that i'm not really a fan of FFVII as much as i like FFVI.

Now i can bring up why FF7:AC sucks for many reasons, but i can assume very much that all it was was just this so-called awe, breath taking action scenes. the story was wonky, the dialog was horrible, and cloud... he was just being a pansy. I mean, just one day he's getting owned by yazoo, loz, and kadaj, and then he kills all three of them.

Now if i remember, the party did state that he lost his fighting touch after the fight with sephiroth, and that can contradict my statements, but that matters not. I still think cloud is a weakling compared to other characters in the FF series.

FF12 is going to be great (anyone seen the chocobos yet. those things look viscious now, no more kiddy crap I'm guessing) and yes it will be in Ivalice...I hope. They should really keep it the way it's going, but they said some MAJOR changes were in order. Oh well, at least it will be good.


If this game is more awesome than any of the Final Fantasy games before it....
I'm going to petetion that they have the team who did this game do the others too! lol

Now i can bring up why FF7:AC sucks for many reasons, but i can assume very much that all it was was just this so-called awe, breath taking action scenes. the story was wonky, the dialog was horrible, and cloud... he was just being a pansy. I mean, just one day he's getting owned by yazoo, loz, and kadaj, and then he kills all three of them.



Okay, I admit that the movie had no point to it, but as for the dialog, it was translated from Japanese so of course it's going to suck. About Cloud being a pansy, go and play FF7 and you will see why he doesn't want to fight anymore, but he has to. They made that clear in the movie if you were listening. And can you tell me when he was getting owned by Kadaj and the gang because everytime I saw him fight them, he came out mostly unscathed.

Okay, I admit that the movie had no point to it, but as for the dialog, it was translated from Japanese so of course it's going to suck. About Cloud being a pansy, go and play FF7 and you will see why he doesn't want to fight anymore, but he has to. They made that clear in the movie if you were listening. And can you tell me when he was getting owned by Kadaj and the gang because everytime I saw him fight them, he came out mostly unscathed.


the hero always comes out unscathed :rolleyes:

ever seen a hero movie?

Yeah and Heros arent wimps. Cloud could fight and was the strongest fighter at the end of the movie when he takes Seph down. And he's no pansy. I already stated as to why earlier.

So in the end it just goes down to your very own perpective. In my view few could even 'hope' to accomplish even afew things that Cloud did. Let alone enter so many fights and come out alive. Even owning afew of the badies.:cool:

Okay, I admit that the movie had no point to it, but as for the dialog, it was translated from Japanese so of course it's going to suck. About Cloud being a pansy, go and play FF7 and you will see why he doesn't want to fight anymore, but he has to. They made that clear in the movie if you were listening. And can you tell me when he was getting owned by Kadaj and the gang because everytime I saw him fight them, he came out mostly unscathed.
The japanese dialogue was just as bad.

Yeah and Heros arent wimps. Cloud could fight and was the strongest fighter at the end of the movie when he takes Seph down. And he's no pansy. I already stated as to why earlier.

So in the end it just goes down to your very own perpective. In my view few could even 'hope' to accomplish even afew things that Cloud did. Let alone enter so many fights and come out alive. Even owning afew of the badies.:cool:
Cloud is a character in a fantasy game, none could hope to accomplish what he did.

Yeah and Heros arent wimps. Cloud could fight and was the strongest fighter at the end of the movie when he takes Seph down. And he's no pansy. I already stated as to why earlier.

So in the end it just goes down to your very own perpective. In my view few could even 'hope' to accomplish even afew things that Cloud did. Let alone enter so many fights and come out alive. Even owning afew of the badies.:cool:

so you're saying people like a marine isn't a hero?

Marines are heros and they fight for freedom, just as Cloud did. I mean face it, how many Marines would be willing to dress up as a girl to save one of their friends XD just kidding. But seriously, I know that Cloud is a fantasy character, but you still called him a pansy. If you went through all that Cloud did, I bet you would never want to see anyone again. It's traumatizing.

I never said Marines werent Heros. My Father was in the navy and this summer I'm going off to boot camp and than basic training to prep myself before enlisting into the Marines. So yeah, I really respect those guys and appreciate all the things they do.

Enough abot my personal life... Erm.

By your comment I have a feeling that you forgot that Cloud was part of SOLDIER. He was a militery man person and did hiis enlisted duties to the best of his abilities. Later on these abilities would later help him futher his hero career.

Also, what I like most about FF7 is that it shows th e after effects of being a Hero. Sure it's all fun and games but what happens after you've saved the world? Cloud had pratically no rel reason to live let alone stick around his friends or his childhood sweet heart, Tifa. What with all the BS he just went through and actually lived through it.

Everyone maybe a Hero but they never think of the after effects of being one. That's why the better Heros tend to die while doing their duty. The only reason they're better is because they dont succumb to their doubts when the jobs finally done. Thus breaking down and isloating themselfs from others.

Exactly my point. Cloud is no pansy, he's just been through MANY "adventures", we'll call them, that have left him drained of the sole reason for living. The only reason he probably sticks around is to help his friends.

And about him being in SOLDIER, I was going to say something about that but I couldn't word it right.

he wasn't part of SOLDIER; he was just a shinra trooper. remember during his memory repair? he was dressed as a shinra trooper?

Shinra Troopers are a lower branch of SOLDIER. As in they were like the lackies that risked their lives and get little to no reconization while the high ranking members, SOLDIERS, racked in the fame and glory. They were basically the commanders and stuff. Or just the elite of the elite.:cool:

Ok, lets face it, compared to real everyday men...cloud is a pansy. In fact, all final fantasy heroes, are pansies. Tidus being the worst of them all. That is just how square/squaresoft/squareenix makes their heroes. So really, theres no real point in calling the hero of a G rated game a pansy. It's a fantasy world, not our world. Hell, Kadaj sounded like a girl, he was the biggest pansy of them all. That said, it doesn't take any credit away from the FF7 game OR movie. I myself think Advent Children had a substandard plot..but action wise, i was overwhelmed. I loved the game, and cloud's character. He was a traumatised guy, he's not gung-ho. It'd be boring if the hero was all tough and mighty. In the movie, it clearly showed him as still grieving over aeris, not willing to fight, and still blaming himself for her death. I thought the movie showed the aftermath of the game quite well. It's just that the main plot wasn't really that special.

Yeah there was no real point to the movie...except to see Cloud beat himself up emotionally about Aeris' death. Other than that, the only thing that made the movie special was a guest appearance by SEPHIROTH! *creepy music starts*

Cloud had pratically no rel reason to live let alone stick around his friends or his childhood sweet heart, Tifa. What with all the BS he just went through and actually lived through it.
This makes no sense, explain what you mean please.

Shinra Troopers are a lower branch of SOLDIER. As in they were like the lackies that risked their lives and get little to no reconization while the high ranking members, SOLDIERS, racked in the fame and glory. They were basically the commanders and stuff. Or just the elite of the elite.:cool:
No.

Yes they were. Who do you think controlled the SOLDIERS? Shinra did, and the SOLDIERS were the "elite" group of Shinra. Like Testament said, the troops were just the SOLDIER lackeys.

About Cloud having no reason to live, look back at all he suffered through. Look at what he did. He rid the world of Sephiroth and the Meteor, what else would there be to do? Nothing horrible or world threatening that has to be stopped, what else is there to do?

Yes they were. Who do you think controlled the SOLDIERS? Shinra did, and the SOLDIERS were the "elite" group of Shinra. Like Testament said, the troops were just the SOLDIER lackeys.

About Cloud having no reason to live, look back at all he suffered through. Look at what he did. He rid the world of Sephiroth and the Meteor, what else would there be to do? Nothing horrible or world threatening that has to be stopped, what else is there to do?

he didn't suffer through anything until aeris died. I mean, all he wanted was just revenge against sephiroth until that event happened.

and once again, SOLDIER and shinra troopers are different. i never heard anything about troopers being mako showered.

The SOLDIERS are Shinra troops, just a lot better and strengthened about 10 times the original trooper. In fact, Shinra probably could have taken any random Shinra trooper and made him a strengthened SOLDIER.

And Cloud did suffer through more than Aeris's death. He fell into the lifestream remember that? That was a horrible, tragic moment. He fell off of Mako Reactor 7 (i think that's the one), while that may not be the most tragic thing, he met Aeris, therefore leading to the terrible death that he grieved over. So if you look back, many bad things happened that would later on go into helping the death of Aeris. So that is not the only thing that he suffered through.

The SOLDIERS are Shinra troops, just a lot better and strengthened about 10 times the original trooper. In fact, Shinra probably could have taken any random Shinra trooper and made him a strengthened SOLDIER.

-_-"

lemme get this clear in your mind. SOLDIER CANNOT CHOOSE A RANDOM TROOPER. first of all, you have to be qualified if you can be a SOLDIER. And secondly, you have to take tests to see if you can be a SOLDIER. that includes mako showering.

SOLDIER WAS OWNED BY SHINRA! If Shinra really wanted to they could have made thousands of SOLDIERS. The only reason they had the "tests" was to find some strong, intelligent people to become their elites. They sent the SOLDIERS in to do the special missions and the Shinra troopers to "keep the peace". The only reason that Shinra probably didn't want to was because of their fear of betrayal. If they were to make thousands of SOLDIERS, then they could turn against their masters, so to speak, and completely annihilate them.

chewey

Lemmie rephrase it chewey.

Cloud went through alot of BS and survived through it. Most people would have commited suicide after all that and even living. Cloud on the otherhand didn't take his life. Maybe he valued living to a small extend or feared death? Who knows. Eitherway he was tramutized greatly by the events and blamed everything solely on himself. That's why after avengeing Aeris he basically distanced himself from his friends and Tifa, childhood sweetheart. Out of concern/fear that being around them might bring them more harm than good.

A natural feeling of those that blame themselfs. Even after getting the job done they wont ever feel the same and back away from society. And Cloud being well Cloud, he wasent going to seek help and wished to solve everything himself. A loner of sorts.


And yeah, SOLDIER belonged to Shinra. If Shinra wanted they could have had a much wider base of SOLDIERs since they had the resources and alot of skilled troopers under'em. Yet to actually find a 'loyal' SOLDIER was hard. Not to mention one that was naturally stronger, more talented, and smarter than the average Human. The only thing that was needed was loyalty since those other things could be made up through the testing and stuff.

I mean look at Seph. He appeared loyal but when he snapped he had the potiential of screwing Shinra over heavily. Think if Shinra had more Elites like him walking around in their services. Things would be really in a fix than if they all went down Sephs path.

Besides they were still studying the effects of Mako Showering and their testing. It wasent truely perfected at the time or else they wouldn't still be testing/studying it.

just one question i've been pondering about FF7...

is sephiroth... lucretia's and vincent's son...?

No, Seph was the son of Hojo after Hojo raped Lucretia. Vincent was taken care of beforehand so that lucretia would be defenseless. Since no one other than Vincent actually dared to challenge Hojo. Not to mention that Vincent was inlove with Lucretia aswell as Hojo.

For Seph being all powerful. Hojo's to blame because he meesed around with the embryo, Seph, still inside Lucertia's belly before Seph was even born. Thus Seph grew extremely fast and was very strong. One could say that he was the first successful test subject of the whole Mako and Jenova Expereiment.

As far as I'm concerned, Cloud wasn't treated with Mako till he was tested on by Hojo after sephiroth burns down nibelheim. Thats when Hojo tries to make him a sephiroth clone. My understanding anyway.

The thing I don't understand was Kadaj and his brothers. Where did they come from? Were they just another failed Seph clone or what?

Yeah, both Cloud and Zack were undergoing Mako Test after Shinra covered up the whole Seph Incident and all. So the question is. Was Zack, a member of SOLDIER, tested beforehand with the Mako? If so... Why did they go and test him all over again along with Cloud?

Could be that the Mako experiments werent perfected just than. Thus Zack was just part of the Elite and wasent Mako showered and stuff yet. While Seph was, living experiment. Thus after the experiment, and the success of it, the Mako most likly was used more frequently. Course whenever it was used it would be under a watchful eye by Shinra. To prevent another Seph Incident.

Mako & Jenova Experiment - Total Success

Well in the eyes of Shinra even though there must have been afew side effects. In Seph's case. Insanity and inability to be reasoned with. Course that occured after he thought Jenova was his mommy and such.

Now...

Kadaj and his bros were indeed Seph clones. Not really failed clones since Kadaj was able to become a vessel of sorts for Seph to enter and basically be reborn. Course none of the clones were anywhere as tough as the originial Seph.

So, does that mean that Shinra decided to lay off the Mako? Use a little less of it?

No, Shinra actually increased its use. That's why they had so many Mako plants. They were harvesting it despite the Mako harvesting basically killing the world from the inside out.

No I mean is Shinra using less Mako on their SOLDIERs?

I dunno, might be useing more. Higher chance of messing with their heads and screwing up their memories. Thus that leaves more room to manipulate them to become loyal and stay loyal. Just my two cents.

But were Kadaj and them really working with Shinra? It seemed like their only goal was to revive Sephy.

But were Kadaj and them really working with Shinra? It seemed like their only goal was to revive Sephy.

it was their goal, and also to bring jenova back...

Yes they were. Who do you think controlled the SOLDIERS? Shinra did, and the SOLDIERS were the "elite" group of Shinra.
This
Like Testament said, the troops were just the SOLDIER lackeys.
does not explain this. Stop trying to make it to.

About Cloud having no reason to live, look back at all he suffered through. Look at what he did. He rid the world of Sephiroth and the Meteor, what else would there be to do? Nothing horrible or world threatening that has to be stopped, what else is there to do?
A peaceful world = no reason to live.
A world with life threatening stuff in it = reason to live.

wot ?_?

SOLDIER WAS OWNED BY SHINRA! If Shinra really wanted to they could have made thousands of SOLDIERS. The only reason they had the "tests" was to find some strong, intelligent people to become their elites. They sent the SOLDIERS in to do the special missions and the Shinra troopers to "keep the peace". The only reason that Shinra probably didn't want to was because of their fear of betrayal. If they were to make thousands of SOLDIERS, then they could turn against their masters, so to speak, and completely annihilate them.
Stop making stuff up, please. Not once does the game make mention of this.
SOLDIERS are SOLDIERS.
Shinra Troopers are not.
Not that hard to figure out.


And yeah, SOLDIER belonged to Shinra. If Shinra wanted they could have had a much wider base of SOLDIERs since they had the resources and alot of skilled troopers under'em. Yet to actually find a 'loyal' SOLDIER was hard. Not to mention one that was naturally stronger, more talented, and smarter than the average Human. The only thing that was needed was loyalty since those other things could be made up through the testing and stuff.
Another thing the game never mentions.

...Who cares what you think, if it's in that line of though?
If you're going to object to FFVII being a good game, you're on the wrong board.

There might not be an explanation, other than one people have 'pieced together'; which could very well be flawed, but that doesn't stop the game from being an overall enjoyable experience. Never before FFVII had a game featured such an amazing character progression system, coupled with beautiful graphics, intriguing storyline, etc.

The human mind usually tends to 'dramatize' past experiences, so some things seem, in effect, greater than they were at the time that you experienced them.
However, I've always preferred FFVIII to VII, myself, having played the latter at a very young age, I didn't register much of the story.

Either way, it's likely for that former reason that people often stand behind FFVII. Past FF titles never seemed to couple great graphics and story, which (though some people object to it), do, in the end, make for a much more enjoyable playing experience. Everything that came after, as a possibility, probably seemed to lack in one of those departments for people.

All this aside, I really enjoyed all of the 'Final Fantasy' titles (that I've played) for different reasons.

VII; bringing the 'revolution' of RPGs to us
VIII; Interesting story, plot, graphics even superior to VII.
IX; Two-Player battles.
X; Amazing graphics, revolution brough once more in that department, and an excellent storyline, though linear.
XI; Great for what it is; an MMORPG. Have been playing it since the NA Beta, and have multiple lv75 jobs.
XII; Very fun, MMORPG-like battle system, HUGE, open-ended world and once again, interesting story.

...Who cares what you think, if it's in that line of though?
If you're going to object to FFVII being a good game, you're on the wrong board.
This is the Onrpg MMORPG board, not the FFVII is excellent board.


There might not be an explanation, other than one people have 'pieced together'; which could very well be flawed, but that doesn't stop the game from being an overall enjoyable experience. Never before FFVII had a game featured such an amazing character progression system, coupled with beautiful graphics, intriguing storyline, etc.The storyline is far from intriguing. Plot holes generally ruin a story.


The human mind usually tends to 'dramatize' past experiences, so some things seem, in effect, greater than they were at the time that you experienced them.
However, I've always preferred FFVIII to VII, myself, having played the latter at a very young age, I didn't register much of the story.
While I generally do not have a problem with FFVIII, I find the fact that you can complete the game on level 1 a bit silly.

All this aside, I really enjoyed all of the 'Final Fantasy' titles (that I've played) for different reasons.


VII; bringing the 'revolution' of RPGs to us
VIII; Interesting story, plot, graphics even superior to VII.
IX; Two-Player battles.
X; Amazing graphics, revolution brough once more in that department, and an excellent storyline, though linear.
XI; Great for what it is; an MMORPG. Have been playing it since the NA Beta, and have multiple lv75 jobs.
XII; Very fun, MMORPG-like battle system, HUGE, open-ended world and once again, interesting story.
The fact that people think FFVII revolutionized RPGs plays a large part in as to why I dislike the game.
It did not revolutionize RPGs, it was just lucky enough to be part of the FF series and one of the earlier titles on the PSX.

it was just lucky enough to be part of the FF series and one of the earlier titles on the PSX.

Final Fantasy VII sold a lot, and was a major success.
No matter where you try to oppose the games' success, people will defend it.
That, in itself, goes to show that the title is what the majority of gamers enjoy, like it or not.
Is that not the definition of revolution?

Final Fantasy VII sold a lot, and was a major success.
No matter where you try to oppose the games' success, people will defend it.
That, in itself, goes to show that the title is what the majority of gamers enjoy, like it or not.
Is that not the definition of revolution?
rev·o·lu·tion
n.

1.
1. Orbital motion about a point, especially as distinguished from axial rotation: the planetary revolution about the sun.
2. A turning or rotational motion about an axis.
3. A single complete cycle of such orbital or axial motion.
2. The overthrow of one government and its replacement with another.
3. A sudden or momentous change in a situation: the revolution in computer technology.
4. Geology. A time of major crustal deformation, when folds and faults are formed.

'fraid not.

It was a major success because final fantasy + early in PSX. It was most people's first RPG, that is the main reason people think it is excellent.

Actually, most people were more likely to play FFTactics rather than FF7. Tactics came out before FF7 and, although it didn't become a big hit, it's what got most people into strategy RPGs, and possibly the FF series. So chewey, get your facts straight.

well i remember ff tactics being pretty underground and not so mainstream popular like ff7 was. ff7 was played by ppl who loved d&d and ppl who loved madden football. tactis is more of a cult classic in my opinion

Actually, most people were more likely to play FFTactics rather than FF7. Tactics came out before FF7 and, although it didn't become a big hit, it's what got most people into strategy RPGs, and possibly the FF series. So chewey, get your facts straight.
Wait, you just contradicted yourself. FFVII was a big hit ( :( ) and you just said FFT wasn't, meaning more people played FFVII first. Along with that, it did not get a European release, and in America it released after FFVII. Also, it isn't an RPG. It is a Tactics RPG, so it getting people interested into the RPG franchise would be a miracle. It would make people get into FF series (maybe) though.

So Deaths_Legion, get your facts straight.

tactis is more of a cult classic
agreein' with this.

final fantasy 7 was good, not the best. although i wouldnt blame the "fanbase" for defending it because it is a game worth defending. i think ff6 is the best with fft after that, then its ff7. i think ff7 was a well done game and it was not my first ff game and i would defend it as being one of the better FF games.

final fantasy 7 was good, not the best. although i wouldnt blame the "fanbase" for defending it because it is a game worth defending. i think ff6 is the best with fft after that, then its ff7. i think ff7 was a well done game and it was not my first ff game and i would defend it as being one of the better FF games.
A terrible storyline and awful characters do not make it good.

chewy, thank you for clearing things up with SOLDIERs and Shinra Troopers.

and as for Tactics, i personally thought it was also better than FF7.

chewey, that's your opinion. You think it sucked but thousands more think it was pretty great. The game sold well and the movie sold well, which means 'alot' more people enjoy'd the game when compared to the small minority that didn't. Yet I wonder. You say the game sucks and it had terrible. Alright, cool.

How about you list them and I'll go ahead and compared simliar things to the FF games you liked. You'll se that every game has its ins and outs and all of the FF games were never ment tobe perfect and all had plot holes now and than.

Wait, you just contradicted yourself. FFVII was a big hit ( :( ) and you just said FFT wasn't, meaning more people played FFVII first.


Whatever, chewey. I'm done arguing with you because you are just so relentless. I was never trying to convince you to like FF7, I was just trying to support the facts and possibly help more people get into the FF series. But you had to be a little baby about it. I know you were only trying to get your point across, but every little thing someone said about FF7 being good, you had to comment on. I would understand if you had a couple of posts about it being a bad game, because I know there are people who like it and others who don't, but you have to make people who have never played the game think it's one of the worst games in history. Excuse my french, but chewey, you are an asshole.

Whatever, chewey. I'm done arguing with you because you are just so relentless. I was never trying to convince you to like FF7, I was just trying to support the facts and possibly help more people get into the FF series. But you had to be a little baby about it. I know you were only trying to get your point across, but every little thing someone said about FF7 being good, you had to comment on. I would understand if you had a couple of posts about it being a bad game, because I know there are people who like it and others who don't, but you have to make people who have never played the game think it's one of the worst games in history. Excuse my french, but chewey, you are an *******.

it's his own goddamn opinion. if you can respect that, then leave. you can't debate, you can't win. If he's so relentless, then give up alrea-, oh wait, you did give up! now leave! this isn't the *****ing board; this is the ONRPG board, where debate and discussion is allowed. now leave and never come back. again.

TestamentX00 - the reason why FF7 sold well was becuase of the good graphics at the time; not the gameplay nor the story, but the graphics. And as for FF7:AC doing well, blame the fanbase for the sales.

Oh right, and about FFs being not perfect, why do fanboys cringe and cry and are outraged whenever FF7 is being flamed? people yell, people make images like the rumor of an FF7 remake in the previous forums, and people glorify games too much. That is why i think FF7 sucks now.

And once again, chewy, thank you for enlightening me and other people.

edit: this thread my as well be locked. mods, if you see this message, lock this thread in order to prevent more flaming.

Look chewey enlightened no one in my eyes! All he said was the game blew and never stated any detailed reasons as to why. That in itself isnt enlighting, that is just a personal statement not supported by fact. With that said...

Why does FF7 have a fanbase so large if everyone says it blows? When those that do hate it state it they almost never bring supporting facts. While those that like it can bring out supporting facts as to why in detailed format. Believe it or not but we 'arent' morons for likeing the gamne or movie. We just think they're great. Yet when people start flamming the game/movie without really stateing 'why' is when I get agitated. Since that shows immaturity, lack of respect for others, and inability to reason with. The whole my way or the highway sorta personalty.

If a person can bring supporting facts as to 'why' they hate it other than ill formatted one liner or run-on sentences 'than' I'll respect their opinion. Till than I'll look down upon them for their bias towards things without seeing the whole picture or actually stateing 'why' they hate it. Gawd! Is 'that' so much to ask for?

Look chewey enlightened no one in my eyes! All he said was the game blew and never stated any detailed reasons as to why. That in itself isnt enlighting, that is just a personal statement not supported by fact. With that said...

Why does FF7 have a fanbase so large if everyone says it blows? When those that do hate it state it they almost never bring supporting facts. While those that like it can bring out supporting facts as to why in detailed format. Believe it or not but we 'arent' morons for likeing the gamne or movie. We just think they're great. Yet when people start flamming the game/movie without really stateing 'why' is when I get agitated. Since that shows immaturity, lack of respect for others, and inability to reason with. The whole my way or the highway sorta personalty.

If a person can bring supporting facts as to 'why' they hate it other than ill formatted one liner or run-on sentences 'than' I'll respect their opinion. Till than I'll look down upon them for their bias towards things without seeing the whole picture or actually stateing 'why' they hate it. Gawd! Is 'that' so much to ask for?

Read the thread. I have given many reasons, most of which were ignored because a valid argument could not be made.

Whatever, chewey. I'm done arguing with you because you are just so relentless. I was never trying to convince you to like FF7, I was just trying to support the facts and possibly help more people get into the FF series. But you had to be a little baby about it. I know you were only trying to get your point across, but every little thing someone said about FF7 being good, you had to comment on. I would understand if you had a couple of posts about it being a bad game, because I know there are people who like it and others who don't, but you have to make people who have never played the game think it's one of the worst games in history. Excuse my french, but chewey, you are an asshole.
It is an argument. You put forward your argument, I retort with my argument.

True story.

Look chewey enlightened no one in my eyes! All he said was the game blew and never stated any detailed reasons as to why. That in itself isnt enlighting, that is just a personal statement not supported by fact. With that said...

Why does FF7 have a fanbase so large if everyone says it blows? When those that do hate it state it they almost never bring supporting facts. While those that like it can bring out supporting facts as to why in detailed format. Believe it or not but we 'arent' morons for likeing the gamne or movie. We just think they're great. Yet when people start flamming the game/movie without really stateing 'why' is when I get agitated. Since that shows immaturity, lack of respect for others, and inability to reason with. The whole my way or the highway sorta personalty.

If a person can bring supporting facts as to 'why' they hate it other than ill formatted one liner or run-on sentences 'than' I'll respect their opinion. Till than I'll look down upon them for their bias towards things without seeing the whole picture or actually stateing 'why' they hate it. Gawd! Is 'that' so much to ask for?

... you are the most ignorant fanboy i have ever met on the boards, other than protroll in IGN.

At the very least, hundreds of thousands of people, along with any major reviewing company has ever written a [review] for the game, have agreed that it is, indeed, an amazing RPG.

No one can explain to you why a game is good; to truly understand, you'd have to play through it.
Unfortunately, the time is long gone when FFVII was considered to be good in many of the aspects that, put together, come out as an amazing experience [graphics, sound, game mechanics], so, even if you were to play through it now, there is a very low chance that you would truly understand why it was rated as it was, back in the day. (All assuming you had only played it now, which is hopefully the case, because carrying out your vengeance for a game that has long since been out of the spotlight, is extremely pathetic.) Also, if you did just play it now, your views on the game are forfeit. If I played the classic Bard's Quest, and said that it's a horrible game, compared to Final Fantasy X, the result would be the same.

Disagreeing with the game's success is normal, however- wether you're actually doing so for a valid reason, or [not so normal] if you're jumping onto the reasonless "I hate FFVII" bandwagon for self-gratification. Not everyone has the same taste in things- still, your disliking it at this point won't change anything at all. It's long passed the time where FFVII was etched into the minds of people as a revolutionary RPG, and they will defend it, even reasonlessly. No one is going to go back and play a nearly nine year old game to explain to you why it was good back then, so stop asking for reasons, and go find them yourself. Then you can come here and tell us. ^^

However, I imagine that won't be the case. You'll just quote separate bits of what I said and write retorts to them, once again attempting to force your views on people: That FFVII is bad, and not worthy of recognition.

For your info darkness I'm not really a fanboi. I just play'd it in the past and really liked it back than. Way before all the new stuff was coming out, besides. FF7 was the main reason I got into the whole RPG game thingy. And I agree with you Aru. The newer generation would never be able to find out on what made FF7 so good in its time. If they do than I admit that I'm wrong but even than the chance of them getting it is slim to none. Since there are a whole bunch of awesome new games out. Which have much larger budgets and all the good stuff.

So no matter what anyone says if it involves that FF7 is good than the newer generation will most likly say it sucks and list newer things that're better than it. Tends to happen to a majority of the old games. Well, the more popular ones in their time.:cool:

For your info darkness I'm not really a fanboi. I just play'd it in the past and really liked it back than. Way before all the new stuff was coming out, besides. FF7 was the main reason I got into the whole RPG game thingy. And I agree with you Aru. The newer generation would never be able to find out on what made FF7 so good in its time. If they do than I admit that I'm wrong but even than the chance of them getting it is slim to none. Since there are a whole bunch of awesome new games out. Which have much larger budgets and all the good stuff.

So no matter what anyone says if it involves that FF7 is good than the newer generation will most likly say it sucks and list newer things that're better than it. Tends to happen to a majority of the old games. Well, the more popular ones in their time.:cool:

new generation? i presume you must be atleast 20-30 years old then. i do appreciate FF7, but what's better is the fact that i appreciate even more old school RPG even from the SNES era: ever heard of chrono trigger?

and as for accusing you of being a fanboy, do not deny it. You already gave false information about the game itself, putting wrong facts and beliefs in the game. I understand that you may have been a little too hyped up on the game, but there's no reason to be a smart-aleck on false information like chewy stated.

For starters I'm only 17, I'm not that old. I just play'd it when I was alot younger and really enjoy'd it. Second I already said I was spectualting things in my earlier post. As in I dont know if it's 'actually' the truth but usually we dont know either. Unleess of course you'er a hardcore FF7 playa and know fully what you're talking about and can spot where my spectulations/conclusions were at fualt.

And I 'was' hyped up over the blant bias towards the game and the need it state it over and over again while we are just talking about things we think actually occured in the game. No reason for us to bbe talking and someone jumps in and says it sucks. Cool, it sucks in your opinion. Mine is I feel like talking about it anyways.

And for your info how can I be a fanboi if I didn't really think much of the game untill I got into the descuession. after that I recalled things when I last play'd the game which was years ago. Beat it once and never play'd it again but the info remained. Cant say why but it did but that alone shouldn't make me a fanboi.

At the very least, hundreds of thousands of people, along with any major reviewing company has ever written a [review] for the game, have agreed that it is, indeed, an amazing RPG.

No one can explain to you why a game is good; to truly understand, you'd have to play through it.
Unfortunately, the time is long gone when FFVII was considered to be good in many of the aspects that, put together, come out as an amazing experience [graphics, sound, game mechanics], so, even if you were to play through it now, there is a very low chance that you would truly understand why it was rated as it was, back in the day. (All assuming you had only played it now, which is hopefully the case, because carrying out your vengeance for a game that has long since been out of the spotlight, is extremely pathetic.) Also, if you did just play it now, your views on the game are forfeit. If I played the classic Bard's Quest, and said that it's a horrible game, compared to Final Fantasy X, the result would be the same.

Disagreeing with the game's success is normal, however- wether you're actually doing so for a valid reason, or [not so normal] if you're jumping onto the reasonless "I hate FFVII" bandwagon for self-gratification. Not everyone has the same taste in things- still, your disliking it at this point won't change anything at all. It's long passed the time where FFVII was etched into the minds of people as a revolutionary RPG, and they will defend it, even reasonlessly. No one is going to go back and play a nearly nine year old game to explain to you why it was good back then, so stop asking for reasons, and go find them yourself. Then you can come here and tell us. ^^

However, I imagine that won't be the case. You'll just quote separate bits of what I said and write retorts to them, once again attempting to force your views on people: That FFVII is bad, and not worthy of recognition.

I played the game several years ago, thought it was excellent.
Played it last year, realised its problems, haven't liked it since.

Unfortunately, the time is long gone when FFVII was considered to be good in many of the aspects that, put together, come out as an amazing experience [graphics, sound, game mechanics], so, even if you were to play through it now, there is a very low chance that you would truly understand why it was rated as it was, back in the day.
FF1 to FFVI = excellent imo. Many people other than me still enjoy past generation games jftr.

This statement is pretty silly and not even partly true.

(All assuming you had only played it now, which is hopefully the case, because carrying out your vengeance for a game that has long since been out of the spotlight, is extremely pathetic.)It still being regarded as the best game of the FF series by fanboys is out of the spotlight ?_?
WHAT IS YOUR FAVOURITE GAME IS IT FFVII BECAUSE THAT IS MY FAVOURITE GAME.

If I played the classic Bard's Quest, and said that it's a horrible game, compared to Final Fantasy X, the result would be the same.I'm assuming by this statement you judge a game by graphics moreso than other aspects. Graphics do not make a game good.

Nor do poor storylines.

No one is going to go back and play a nearly nine year old game to explain to you why it was good back then, so stop asking for reasons, and go find them yourself. Then you can come here and tell us. ^^
I don't feel like it.

Kind of like how the storywriters of FFVII felt I guess.

However, I imagine that won't be the case. You'll just quote separate bits of what I said and write retorts to them, once again attempting to force your views on people: That FFVII is bad, and not worthy of recognition.

FFVII is bad and not worthy of recognition.

Okay, then why is it considered to be one of the best RPGs of all time?
Surely your intelligence extends beyond your ability to use 'dictionary.com'.
This being said, for your sake, I hope you're not going to say that it's because the majority of the world, including every single reviewer in a major gaming company, are fanboys.

You really can't argue a point. You make baseless assumptions that, in turn, make you seem like an ass, and attempt to force your absolutely worthless opinion on people afterwards.

Every single reply to every little bit of text you've quoted in my last post (once again, failing to explain anything at all) met that criteria.

You suffer from some horrible, horrible disease.
I think it is Geostigma idk.

I think it is Geostigma idk.

Yeah, I had to edit that. Anyway, I'm done arguing. You're like a raging tyrant from China.

"MY WAY IS RIGHTEOUS! YOU ARE ALL FOOLS!"

Sound like someone we know?
Yep, Chewey.

Ten points to green team.

Edit: Oh yeah, you should know, though, a lot of the bad translations back then were the result of plot holts and misunderstandings. Square wasn't as popular in the US, and mistakes were really common because translation wasn't taken as seriously. Most of the holes that were filled were by dedicated fans that were either bilingual, and played the Japanese version, or just dedicated English fans that took the games apart and translated some parts themselves.

Yeah, I had to edit that. Anyway, I'm done arguing. You're like a raging tyrant from China.

"MY WAY IS RIGHTEOUS! YOU ARE ALL FOOLS!"

Sound like someone we know?
Yep, Chewey.

Ten points to green team.

Edit: Oh yeah, you should know, though, a lot of the bad translations back then were the result of plot holts and misunderstandings. Square wasn't as popular in the US, and mistakes were really common because translation wasn't taken as seriously. Most of the holes that were filled were by dedicated fans that were either bilingual, and played the Japanese version, or just dedicated English fans that took the games apart and translated some parts themselves.

Plot holes still existed. Square had to later publish a book explaining the story (cos makes no sense). It was a guide for FFVII or something, I can't remember.

new generation? i presume you must be atleast 20-30 years old then. i do appreciate FF7, but what's better is the fact that i appreciate even more old school RPG even from the SNES era: ever heard of chrono trigger?

Yeah , Chrono Trigger was a very great game and so many people don't know this game this very sad :( :( because he beat any rpg in this day like suikoden 5 , final fantasy X-2 or wild arms 4. He has a great story , many subquest , many ends , charismatic character like Crono , Magus or Frog and his legendary Masamune.

To travel in time was great too and when you do a good action in the past you see the result in the present

the double technique and triple technique was awesome so many attack to do big domage. The SNES era was the best in the world of rpg you dont see many bad rpg in the snes . Today they do more crap than hit why they change all the thing when the old thing are good like ATB system battle (dont speak of FFXII where they change that :mad: ) the new people will love that this sure but me that have grow with the snes and with the good old ATB system with lv and not spheregrid. They try new things but they will never beat the olds gameplay of the SNES. They put all in the graphic and after we have less in the story and in the gameplay.

What your favorites RPG of the old school era ?

me it was

Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy 1-6
Seiken Densetsu 2-3
Lufia 2
Breath of fire 1-2

and many many many mores :) :) :)

lufia 2 was awesome, just that i couldn't figure out the puzzles :mad:

i didn't get a chance to beat the yellow/red block puzzle :(

Yeah , Chrono Trigger was a very great game and so many people don't know this game this very sad :( :( because he beat any rpg in this day like suikoden 5 , final fantasy X-2 or wild arms 4. He has a great story , many subquest , many ends , charismatic character like Crono , Magus or Frog and his legendary Masamune.

To travel in time was great too and when you do a good action in the past you see the result in the present

the double technique and triple technique was awesome so many attack to do big domage. The SNES era was the best in the world of rpg you dont see many bad rpg in the snes . Today they do more crap than hit why they change all the thing when the old thing are good like ATB system battle (dont speak of FFXII where they change that :mad: ) the new people will love that this sure but me that have grow with the snes and with the good old ATB system with lv and not spheregrid. They try new things but they will never beat the olds gameplay of the SNES. They put all in the graphic and after we have less in the story and in the gameplay.

What your favorites RPG of the old school era ?

me it was

Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy 1-6
Seiken Densetsu 2-3
Lufia 2
Breath of fire 1-2

and many many many mores :) :) :)

Tales of Phantasia
Star Ocean
Super Mario Rpg

I thought they were pretty excellent.

First of all, the Masamune is actually an old Japanese legend of a sword that was bloodthirsty and consumed its controllers minds. Second of all, yes it was a good game, and there were many great games for the SNES, but it does get boring after a while. That is why companies create new ideas, so people won't get bored of the same game over and over again. Yes there is a different storyline, but what kind of gameplay would you expect. Third of all, this is the Final Fantasy Topic please keep it on track.

And thank you Aru, for showing these people that chewey really does try to make people think games are worse than they are.

so what kinda battle system will FF 12 have? and god dammit when is dirge of cerberus being released in UK!?

No idea when Dirge of Cerberus will be released, but I do have a good knowledge of FF12. :D The battle system will be real-time. Instead of random battles, the enemies will be in the open, able to gang up on you as well. I have played a demo and the menus for battle were kind of confusing, I hope they change that. Any more questions?

First of all, the Masamune is actually an old Japanese legend of a sword that was bloodthirsty and consumed its controllers minds. Second of all, yes it was a good game, and there were many great games for the SNES, but it does get boring after a while. That is why companies create new ideas, so people won't get bored of the same game over and over again. Yes there is a different storyline, but what kind of gameplay would you expect. Third of all, this is the Final Fantasy Topic please keep it on track.

And thank you Aru, for showing these people that chewey really does try to make people think games are worse than they are.
Masamune was a Japanese Swordsmith.

As far as I can tell, you are referring to Muramasa's (also a swordsmith) swords, often thought of as being bloodthirsty.

Oops my fault. :P Wasn't thinking I was about half dead when writing that part :D Anyways, thanks for correcting me chewey.

i presume the murasame is the fake masamune?

yeah but im just talking about the sword that frog wield was the masamune a 2hand sword yes i know this not a 2hand sword but in Chrono Trigger this is one!!

I herd that the FFVII for ps3 will have a battle system that of Kingdom Hearts. You know not really turn based, I think that it will be sweet what about you?

I herd that the FFVII for ps3 will have a battle system that of Kingdom Hearts. You know not really turn based, I think that it will be sweet what about you?

THERE WILL BE NO FF7 REMAKE. REPEAT AFTER ME. NO FF7 REMAKE.

I herd that the FFVII for ps3 will have a battle system that of Kingdom Hearts. You know not really turn based, I think that it will be sweet what about you?
Square-enix made a technical demo of FFVII for the PS3. All it was made for was to show the graphical power of the PS3.

Yeah the FFVII is never planed to be re-released but that is okay because having a FFXIII coming out for PS3 will be good enough.

Yeah I saw the trailer for the tech demo of FFVII for the ps3..So sad that its not gonna be released...oh well, lets go on to happier things! Im waiting for Crisis Core: FFVII for psp lol.

Well when i was a little kid i watched my older brotherly literally wrap up the first few final fantasys, thats probably why i luv them, lol! I think FF6 was an awesome game for variety of characters and each character being unique. It also had a fun story and just a plain old awesome adventure. FF7 was also a very good game, interesting graphics (lol), fun gameplay, a massive story which was very good but a little hard to follow at sometimes and it made u wanna fnish it all at once because of the compelling story! FF9 was also a pretty good game though not quite as fun as the others. I am very excited for FF12.

the reason i liked it was the storyline of the game. It Rocked.
and the characterrs were awesome too. anyways how do u guys think about the new battle system in FFXII?

What do I like about FFVII?
The fact that Tifa's practically busting out of her t-shirt and miniskirt.

hay waz up what do say is dnd cooler or doom:hmm:

Yeah the FFVII is never planed to be re-released but that is okay because having a FFXIII coming out for PS3 will be good enough.

anime is so cool and doy say my email name is Holywarriorr@aol.com

idont think no likes one likes it ok byb:)

... the fact that you bumped a 2 month old topic is really amazing.. seriously.

Bumping AND spamming...WOW! Need I say more? Someone should really lock this topic...

7s my fav game...ever....

i reallly like the materia system. the later games tried some unique stuff with lvling...but...i dont think they hit it on the head as well as they did with the materia. that and it has some of the coolest characters of any game. Nanaki, Vincent, Tifa, Cloud...and for his originality ill say Cait Sith...although im not quite so fond of him...

also, the basic attacks in ff7 were simple and fast. my least favorite thing about squall is how slow he cuts enemies with the sword. its a joke...i almost wish u could keep seifer in your party for the whole game cuz he shows squall up so much with it. ill admit though...when u have haste on FFX, your attacks are pretty...hasty...

wow, why was this bumped, and especially talking about an overplayed FF game?

*reported*

IMO the best final fantasy i ever played was ff6 and i played them all from 1-12 except for 3 ... i also really liked the 9th and the 10th and for some reason the 7th didnt hook me up THAT much but it was still good tough... the ambience of the game looks a lot like ff6 for some reason