View Full Version : Sonic, The HedgeHog - Question to it's fans.
Rage On Dreams
08-21-2006, 05:27 AM
From the many clips I've seen throughout Newgrounds and some details from the actual Sonic plot. I've come to this question.
Is Sonic trying to become Dragon Ball?
Many of you would have asked the same question years ago but I enevr did ask it so here I am. What's so good abotu sonic when it's simply a copy cat of dragon ball?
how the hell can anyone think sonic the hedgehog is a dbz clone?
TaleWillPrevail
08-21-2006, 05:32 AM
**** new sonic.
It's all a disgrace, Sonic the Hedgehog on Sega Genesis was the first video game EVER to grace my long journey in the hobby.
Ever since the arrival of "Sonic 3d" on Genesis and the Nomad, it ruined it for me.
Though, Sonic Adventures on the Dreamcast was fairly good.
But nothing beats old school sonic.
Rage On Dreams
08-21-2006, 05:33 AM
Well, many clips on Newgrounds shows that Sonic it goign suppa sayen and with those DBZ wannabe style of creating their flashes...drove me to think this. Also the games of it...it looks pretty much DBZ to me.
Qennin
08-21-2006, 05:34 AM
Its because of his Sayen looking form, and nah, Sonic is to cool to be a DBZ clone....
why not just try play an actually sonic game,or atleast watch a video
its not even a fighting game
and the whole super sonic shit
it just even him going out of space and ramming something after gathering 7 emeralds and 50 rings at the end of almost every game
Rage On Dreams
08-21-2006, 05:42 AM
If you watch to some of Sonic's cinematic from Games. At some point, he turn "Godl" *cough* sayen*Cough* then spam some "flying balls" toward something. Even in teh newest game going for Xbox360 and PS#, it contains some scene of that Super Sonic.
From view of it's 1st game to now. Sonic pretty became a flying hedgehog more than a spinny runner. It was all cool when gravity actually affected Sonic but now what? He just fly around bouncing from walls to walls. Not enough DBZ Right?
Since I barelly watched some clips from it's fan. Go watch Sonic on Newgrounds. You pretty much find Sonic to be a DBZ style character. " SUper sonic!! pwnnnns joo" whatever.
I dont mean THE GAME. I mean the concept Sonic turned into.
marx123
08-21-2006, 05:46 AM
From the many clips I've seen throughout Newgrounds and some details from the actual Sonic plot. I've come to this question.
Is Sonic trying to become Dragon Ball?
Many of you would have asked the same question years ago but I enevr did ask it so here I am. What's so good abotu sonic when it's simply a copy cat of dragon ball?
no way..
sonic has a power not becoming a dragon ball
sonic use this power to defeat the enemy
Rage On Dreams
08-21-2006, 05:47 AM
no way..
sonic has a power not becoming a dragon ball
sonic use this power to defeat the enemy
Very convincing but I'm happy to tell you that your post didnt help this topic or my question at all.
ZeronX
08-21-2006, 05:55 AM
Sonic? **** Sonic! Knuckles ftw man!
And Sonic, trying to be DBZ?
>_>
...
no comment
INHANDER
08-21-2006, 07:09 AM
Sonic has gone downhill in my oppinion.. they're making sonic air riders and stuff like that.. its so wierd..
And how the hell is sonic like Dragon ball Z?
Vesper
08-21-2006, 05:00 PM
The official Sonic isn't really like Dragon Ball Z, however, the fan made flashes have striking similarities.
Here is an excellent example:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/333858
Stabkiller0
08-21-2006, 05:04 PM
Yep nothing beats old school sonic speed speed speed right off your screen.
marx123
08-22-2006, 05:05 AM
Very convincing but I'm happy to tell you that your post didnt help this topic or my question at all.
we'll ive watched an episode in tagalog version of sonic
bountyhunter113
08-22-2006, 05:07 AM
rofl,yea i saw an episode where sonic turns super saiyen.....that is such a freakin ripp off of dbz but almost every anime has a part where some1 goes "super saiyen"
Kriff
08-22-2006, 05:09 AM
Will Sonic ever go hyper again? Super Sonic is crap compared to Hyper Sonic.
marx123
08-22-2006, 05:09 AM
rofl,yea i saw an episode where sonic turns super saiyen.....that is such a freakin ripp off of dbz but almost every anime has a part where some1 goes "super saiyen"
ei
do you remember sonic's enemy
it is a water like monster... am i right?
bountyhunter113
08-22-2006, 05:11 AM
ei
do you remember sonic's enemy
it is a water like monster... am i right?
lol, i don't remember sheit about sonic, i just watched some of it from "4kidsTV"
marx123
08-22-2006, 05:16 AM
lol, i don't remember sheit about sonic, i just watched some of it from "4kidsTV"
WE'll that's ok
we had a sonic version in our country doubt
he always rival with dr...(i forgot the name can you tell me)
the rival always get that like monster and a gem or ruby
Kriff
08-22-2006, 05:18 AM
ei
do you remember sonic's enemy
it is a water like monster... am i right?
You mean Chaos? He's usually Chaos 0 (resembles Knuckles). You should play Sonic Adventure. It was the only 3d Sonic I really liked.
Qennin
08-22-2006, 05:23 AM
Rock Lee opening the gates of chakra and turning super sayin like was pretty cool though....
marx123
08-22-2006, 05:25 AM
You mean Chaos? He's usually Chaos 0 (resembles Knuckles). You should play Sonic Adventure. It was the only 3d Sonic I really liked.
no..we'll the dark and black look a like sonic
but more like a sea monster
dude,sonic adventure 2 is cool because it has chao
chao are super mega awesome thunder pants
Kriff
08-22-2006, 05:40 AM
dude,sonic adventure 2 is cool because it has chao
chao are super mega awesome thunder pants
I liked the chao better in Sonic Adventure DX. It was faster and had cooler races.
sa2 had karate and kindergarden
Kriff
08-22-2006, 05:43 AM
SADX had better gardens. I did play SA2 more though. It was more in depth. It got old after I got the three chaos chao. I liked SA2 since there were plenty of unlockables, but after you've unlocked them, it wasn't fun anymore.
still fun to me
i have all kinds of crazy looking choa
like the shiny normal chao and the transparent chao and the tails chao
i have a gba and the gba->gc cord
Kriff
08-22-2006, 05:49 AM
The Tails chao was pretty neat. I have a shiny normal Devil Chao. It was kind of a letdown. I was hoping it'd have different colors since shiny normal dark chao do.
Robert Stack
08-22-2006, 06:21 AM
Well super sonic was inspired by dbz, but the whole Collecting crystals is actually An infamouse Japanese fable .
Im liking the new sonic for ps3, looks like its going to bring sonic back to its roots. Although i hated shadow the hedgehog, that was the worst game of last year.
Qennin
08-22-2006, 06:23 AM
Well super sonic was inspired by dbz, but the whole Collecting crystals is actually An infamouse Japanese fable .
Im liking the new sonic for ps3, looks like its going to bring sonic back to its roots. Although i hated shadow the hedgehog, that was the worst game of last year.
Yeah, i didnt like the weapons idea, or the storyline for that matter...
Robert Stack
08-22-2006, 06:24 AM
or the graphics or the controls. Its like whoever designed the controls had severe parkinsons
marx123
08-22-2006, 06:26 AM
sonic is more faster than a cheetah
Robert Stack
08-22-2006, 06:30 AM
sonic is more faster than a cheetah
You mean Erm.
sonic is faster than a cheetah
Kriff
08-22-2006, 07:21 PM
Sega needs to bring back Hyper Sonic and the Super Emeralds.
Qennin
08-22-2006, 07:48 PM
Ive always been a big fan of sonic, but these last few games they've are crap...take the Sonic Rider one for example....(sad excuse for a game)
Saw_A_Ghost
08-22-2006, 08:00 PM
Sonic air riders and shadows revenge and stuff
my all time favourite was sonic battle 2 or w'e it was called..
except chao world was real wierd.
SAGA should continue games like that IMO.
UltimaTaz
08-22-2006, 09:42 PM
Dragonball sucks, Sonic dosn't. Sonic = Fast, cool and sonic is a relic. Dragonball = Gay, Men flying around grunting at eachother.
Qennin
08-22-2006, 09:45 PM
I still play my Sonic for Sega whatever from time to time...
BoomThunda
08-22-2006, 11:01 PM
Ive always been a big fan of sonic, but these last few games they've are crap...take the Sonic Rider one for example....(sad excuse for a game)
Why do game companies always make crappy racing games for everything? Racing games suck 95% of the time, but you buy a game because you like the character on it, and one day later you can't play that crappy game anymore.
Fieren
08-22-2006, 11:14 PM
Take out out the guns, take out the hoverboards, bring back the long over the top looptiloop levels and you just saved the sonic franchise.
Qennin
08-22-2006, 11:15 PM
Why do game companies always make crappy racing games for everything? Racing games suck 95% of the time, but you buy a game because you like the character on it, and one day later you can't play that crappy game anymore.
Mario Kart is preatty cool, ill tell you that...
BoomThunda
08-22-2006, 11:16 PM
Yea, I really hated how Shadow uses a gun, where's the fun in that?
Qennin
08-22-2006, 11:20 PM
Yea, I really hated how Shadow uses a gun, where's the fun in that?
There is no fun my friend, there is no fun........
"no fun" my ***
its a nice change to the gameplay
seeing as it was the same shit
and by shit i mean
tilting the stick up
thats how you beat every stage
Qennin
08-23-2006, 12:20 AM
"no fun" my ***
its a nice change to the gameplay
seeing as it was the same shit
and by shit i mean
tilting the stick up
thats how you beat every stage
EDIT: You know, i thought about what i posted and i thought to myself, WTF did i just say?
violence with guns is twice the fun
and dont worry,Sonic admitted to be too much of a pussy to ever use a gun
Qennin
08-23-2006, 12:24 AM
violence with guns is twice the fun
and dont worry,Sonic admitted to be too much of a pussy to ever use a gun
......Umm....is that good?
if you dont ever want to see sonic with a gun,yes it is
Shadow is supposed to be badass
so driving and shooting (yes drive bys) didnt come to much of a surprise to me
Qennin
08-23-2006, 12:27 AM
if you dont ever want to see sonic with a gun,yes it is
Shadow is supposed to be badass
so driving and shooting (yes drive bys) didnt come to much of a surprise to me
Bleh, Shadow suxs, hes just what i expected from a evil experiment, and name is cheesy aswell....
Shadow may suck
but guns dont
Qennin
08-23-2006, 12:31 AM
Shadow may suck
but guns dont
If guns were the only thing that were suppose to appeal the players...why didnt they make a whole new game, not ruin another one with it....
because not everyone considers it "ruining"
Qennin
08-23-2006, 12:34 AM
because not everyone considers it "ruining"
...........But it basically turned a Platform in to a Shooter.....
it is still a platform game it just has shooting in it
i think shadow is cool(yeah he's a cli'che,but what isnt)
3nd to knuckles (1st is chao)
because sonic is a pussy
tails is a little girl who relies on sonic(thus making him a bigger pussy)
Rouge the bat is the Sonic Team's sex symbol (she has "breast physics" in sa2)
Amy should be killed on sight(along with Rouge)
Dr. Rob-asshole is an evil "genious" but isnt smart enough to just drop an atom bomb on sonic while he is on vacation
Cream and Cheese-enough said
Qennin
08-23-2006, 12:43 AM
it is still a platform game it just has shooting in it
i think shadow is cool(yeah he's a cli'che,but what isnt)
3nd to knuckles (1st is chao)
because sonic is a pussy
tails is a little girl who relies on sonic(thus making him a bigger pussy)
Rouge the bat is the Sonic Team's sex symbol (she has "breast physics" in sa2)
Amy should be killed on sight(along with Rouge)
Dr. Rob-asshole is an evil "genious but isnt smart enough to just drop an atom bomb on sonic while he is on vacation
Cream and Cheese-enough said
And yet, i still think its a crappy game...
well th shit would be better than sonic adventure 2
if sa didnt have chao
because its still the same shit head gameplay seen on sega genesis
so shadow didnt ruin it because always sucked
but what this game really needs
are pikmin
Qennin
08-23-2006, 12:49 AM
well th shit would be better than sonic adventure 2
if sa didnt have chao
because its still the same shit head gameplay seen on sega genesis
so shadow didnt ruin it because always sucked
but what this game really needs
are pikmin
:3 :3 :3 I love Pikmins!:3 :3 :3
you want to see how cool pikmin are?
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/ddc1/pikmin.jpg
Qennin
08-23-2006, 12:54 AM
you want to see how cool pikmin are?
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/ddc1/pikmin.jpg
You gave me a great idea for a new signature!
Sh0Ckzor
08-23-2006, 02:17 AM
HAhahahhahahah SS Sonic?
Dragon ball Z is for lil kids .
they yell like
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
and there hair turns blonde and they get strong so its kinda gay if you ask me:eye:
But sonic and (mostly shadow) shall never being dragon ball z-ish
and Shadow pwns sonic....
Robert Stack
08-23-2006, 02:57 AM
Super sonic turns sonic yellow like a Super Saoyon or whatever it is
And shadow had a horrible Graphics engine, Horrible controls ( whoever designed them should of been shot and die slowly)And crappy gameplay. Why should shadow use a motorcycle if he can already run faster than any land vehicle ?
power_gamer_6
08-23-2006, 06:02 AM
Super sonic turns sonic yellow like a Super Saoyon or whatever it is
And shadow had a horrible Graphics engine, Horrible controls ( whoever designed them should of been shot and die slowly)And crappy gameplay. Why should shadow use a motorcycle if he can already run faster than any land vehicle ?
Why does Sonic fly in Tails' plane? Simply cause he can.
marx123
08-23-2006, 06:07 AM
Why does Sonic fly in Tails' plane? Simply cause he can.
ok i answer that question my friend
if they were going to the sea....and the enemy is still there he needs tails's support
sonic weakness is on water (cause he cant run very well there):)
Robert Stack
08-23-2006, 06:08 AM
Sonic flew in tails plane because he cant Run up to an air fortress silly man
Im sure sonic and friends can surpass 300 mph with ease, and yet they use a slow clunky lowrider
marx123
08-23-2006, 06:17 AM
Sonic flew in tails plane because he cant Run up to an air fortress silly man
Im sure sonic and friends can surpass 300 mph with ease, and yet they use a slow clunky lowrider
how about a war ship or an enemy plane...
Raiyne
08-23-2006, 07:53 AM
You cant compare the 2, simply because Sonic owned DBZ... Those games simply pwned DBZ games... those were the good old days... ahhh :(
Leros
08-23-2006, 07:54 AM
I want to throw a few things into this and then make people think abit here
I used to watch the old sonic cartoons when I was a kid and read the comics.... and played the games. This was back when anime was not so OMG WOAH LOOK ITS EVERYWHERE!!!!1111oneoneone and before most people heard of "DBZ" so I grew up with super sonic and what not. Any more though people are like omg look sonic going super sonic .. DBZ rip off and thats what most people do in newgrounds and what not.
Heres a couple of differences SSJ can turn right off the bat really
Sonic has to have the 7 emeralds and 50 rings
SSJ=more power and what not and can't lose the power over a lost item
SS=More power and the abilty to fly and is screwed if loses just one emerald (taking from a show stand point)
So ya to all you people going OMG! SONIC IS SO DBZ .. WAAAA! Really go back to the roots you'll see sonic doing what he does, before DBZ really started to float around america.
Shadow of The Lost Empire
08-23-2006, 10:24 AM
From the many clips I've seen throughout Newgrounds and some details from the actual Sonic plot. I've come to this question.
Is Sonic trying to become Dragon Ball?
Many of you would have asked the same question years ago but I enevr did ask it so here I am. What's so good abotu sonic when it's simply a copy cat of dragon ball?
Here's my simple answer. Sonic the Hedgehog, And Super Sonic, was, at LEAST a year or two before DBZ, it was created, probably similarly close to the time 'Dragonball' started. But I'm not sure of that. And the Super Saiyan BULLSHIT? Super Sonic now only makes like one appearance every game. Instead of going through a pain in the *** task of hitting a special zone and collecting the Chaos Emeralds. In which there were 6 in the old ones, seven in the new ones and in "Sonic Championship" or "Sonic the Fighters" There's 8. So you have to stop and ask yourself, what the hell is with the random amounts? Unless in Sonic the Fighters one was 'sposed to be the 'Master Emerald' AND, according to one of the games there are 14 total Chaos Emeralds but the other 7 disappeared or some crap...
Raiyne
08-23-2006, 02:54 PM
FYI Dragonball was created before Sonic but, i think it was aired after Sonic started... and DBZ cant stand up to a video game legend. :p
Robert Stack
08-23-2006, 09:27 PM
dragon ball was around since the eighties, in fact the cell saga ended in 1990 in its original run
Egama
08-23-2006, 09:49 PM
I like both sonic the old sonic not the one they show on 4kids crap and DBZ. Sonic was never like dbz when he went in his hyper or super fourm he only got faster and could go in outerspace that is all.
marx123
08-24-2006, 05:45 AM
I like both sonic the old sonic not the one they show on 4kids crap and DBZ. Sonic was never like dbz when he went in his hyper or super fourm he only got faster and could go in outerspace that is all.
outer space?
huh?!
did sonic went outer space
Raiyne
08-24-2006, 08:18 AM
Yes he did.. =.="
Shadow of The Lost Empire
08-24-2006, 08:24 PM
dragon ball was around since the eighties, in fact the cell saga ended in 1990 in its original run
Well damn, I didn't think DBZ wasn't out until the early 90's, I thought they were still running through the original Dragonball, HOWEVER That doesn't mean it was aired in America, which can go the same for Sonic the Hedgehog which was released in 1991 in America.
But still, I don't think there's any relation between DBZ and Sonic.
KCBlack
08-24-2006, 08:56 PM
I think sonic is one of the few old-school games whose tranformation was for the better, like mario. Unlike bomberman, (that bomberman act zero... omg....) the new Sonic is pretty cool. If you've played the newer games, there more extreme (like sonic adventure 2, although shadow the hedgehog sucked) and his attacks are more than jumping and rolling into a ball, theres also a bit of melee moves in there. But how in the world is it a DBZ clone? That makes no sense.
Robert Stack
08-24-2006, 09:21 PM
Because sonic Turned into super sonic and all his fur went yellow like a super saiyans
He collects 7 emeralds While In Dbz they collect 7 dragon balls
They both have 2 bumbling and idiotic nemesis (Emperor pilaf in Dbz and Robotnik in sonic)
Shadow of The Lost Empire
08-24-2006, 09:31 PM
Because sonic Turned into super sonic and all his fur went yellow like a super saiyans
He collects 7 emeralds While In Dbz they collect 7 dragon balls
They both have 2 bumbling and idiotic nemesis (Emperor pilaf in Dbz and Robotnik in sonic)
BACK UP. Emperor Pilaf was in DRAGON BALL. AND GT ONLY.
IN DRAGON BALL, THERE WERE NO SUPER SAIYANS. There were giant monkeys, and only ONE saiyan, and a three eyed guy... BUT, that's besides the point, it was ORIGINALLY SIX EMERALDS, NOT SEVEN. The SEVENTH one came later. Big Deal Sonic Turns into a Gold color that shines (WHICH IT DID, IT WASN'T CRAPPY YELLOW) It was shiny gold. (or as shiny as Genesis could go) Furthermore... Robotnik, Eggman, Was shaped like an Egg, and is smart and quite dibolical. Pilaf, is a ****ing moron. 7 Dragon Balls power can't be harnessed to shoot a giant cannon to blow up the moon. What do you get from Dragon Balls? Some crappy wishes. Chaos Emeralds offer infinate power, insane speed, and shinyness.
KCBlack
08-24-2006, 09:58 PM
Wtf... so what if theres a super sonic and emeralds... it doesn't mean that sonic is just like dbz... sure, they have about 2-3 similarities, but does that make one a rip-off of another?
Shadow of The Lost Empire
08-24-2006, 10:47 PM
Wtf... so what if theres a super sonic and emeralds... it doesn't mean that sonic is just like dbz... sure, they have about 2-3 similarities, but does that make one a rip-off of another?
I think I'll help you build off of this one a bit.
The Artwork is nothing alike, the characters attitudes are nothing alike, the basis of over bulkitized people and Constipation theory number 3 has no effect on Sonic, the over excessive amount of planet destruction and spaceships has no effect on Sonic. Storylines = complete mismatch. Backround stories = Complete mismatch. I think you people are basing this copycat theory on one dumbasses overstated opinion. Yellow?
What is a very expensive and flashy material? Gold! Why not make Sonic Gold? Well he looks bad *** that's why. Sonic Adventure 2 Shadow was Silver, what's next? You're going to say Shadow was a crappy rip off of an even WORSE anime? (Dragonball was totally better than DBZ. DBGT was just taking it too far...)
AND! I'm sick of everyone ripping on Shadow the Hedgehog. If anything, that was the only one to take a stick of dynamite-realism and shove it into an otherwise completely unrealistic game. Want to know how? Well... Shadow's abuse of guns and what not would make sense into destorying robots instead of walking up and jumping on them. Quite honestly that doesn't make it a bad game, sure it wasn't the best upgrade. And his abuse of Motorcycles and crap? Clearly from the beginning video jumping on a motorcycle and ramming it into an alien about six times his size, that's pretty much what the vehicles were MEANT to do, and fun to use for. Not to mention the ones that came with unlimited ammo for missions like destroying an overly powerful thing like the Black Aliens tank, or the Presidents Helicopter Plane-thing. (Which in the end STILL makes it out fine...) The controls are exactly the same, run, jump, homing attack. Just tossing in a few guns and shit doesn't make it a BAD game. If you ask me it's almost exactly like Sonic Adventure 2 Battle just with an added twist of realism and destruction. But... The worst part was the 'voice' upgrades, Pretty much everyone except, Sonic, Shadow, Knuckles, Amy, and Espio sounded stupid. ESPECIALLY CHARMY, GOD DAMN! IF ONLY YOU CAN TAKE ONE OF THOSE GUNS AND SHOOT HIM!!!! ARGH!!!!
nobody cares what you think
you cant back up your own arguements
KCBlack
08-25-2006, 02:54 AM
The Tails chao was pretty neat. I have a shiny normal Devil Chao. It was kind of a letdown. I was hoping it'd have different colors since shiny normal dark chao do.
Wait wtf the tails chao? Tails as in Tails from Sonic? There's a chao version? XD I didn't do much with the chao gardern after I unlocked the heaven and hell ones.
Kriff
08-25-2006, 05:03 AM
Wait wtf the tails chao? Tails as in Tails from Sonic? There's a chao version? XD I didn't do much with the chao gardern after I unlocked the heaven and hell ones.
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