http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14897315/?GT1=8506
Words cannot desribe how much I feel sorry for this guy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14897315/?GT1=8506
Words cannot desribe how much I feel sorry for this guy.

Hot damn. What a bunch of pricks they didn't even have evidence.

Some people are just plain ****ing stupid.

I feel sorry for that guy too.

I government crosses the line pfff.... some laws


I feel sorry too but probably because they did this he gets more pissed at america

Perhaps he was fed well?

I feel bad for the poor guy too but isn't Canada mostly to blame?

For the falseified information...

Perhaps he was fed well?

I feel bad for the poor guy too but isn't Canada mostly to blame?

For the falseified information...10 months in a coffin sized prison. He'd have a pretty damn good reason to hate life.

He probably doesn't just hate life he probably hates everyone now

Man, I would of went insane if I found out that stuff happened to me. It's sort of amazing to me that he didn't :eye: . Is it possible to sue the goverment for that type of stuff? If it isn't....then damn man O_o .

Man, I would of went insane if I found out that stuff happened to me. It's sort of amazing to me that he didn't :eye: . Is it possible to sue the goverment for that type of stuff? If it isn't....then damn man O_o .

He could sue 3 governments actually, and he could do it all with the shittiest lawyer he could possibly find, and win. Canada falsified information about him, the US deported him without sufficient evidence and tricked him into admitting to crimes that he did not do, and Syria tortured him. There's no doubt at all that this guy is going to get a few million dollars of compensation.

He could sue 3 governments actually, and he could do it all with the shittiest lawyer he could possibly find, and win. Canada falsified information about him, the US deported him without sufficient evidence and tricked him into admitting to crimes that he did not do, and Syria tortured him. There's no doubt at all that this guy is going to get a few million dollars of compensation.

Then he would be really crazy if he DIDN'T sue them. Unless he has a really good reason not to.....but there's none. :p

Oh my God! Someone get this guy a lawyer! 10 FRICKING MONTHS! WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE!

Perhaps he was fed well?

I feel bad for the poor guy too but isn't Canada mostly to blame?

For the falseified information...
He was tortured.
Tell me how you'd feel if that happened to you?

He could sue 3 governments actually, and he could do it all with the shittiest lawyer he could possibly find, and win. Canada falsified information about him, the US deported him without sufficient evidence and tricked him into admitting to crimes that he did not do, and Syria tortured him. There's no doubt at all that this guy is going to get a few million dollars of compensation.
Actully, only two.
The prision was only located in Syria. It was US owned and operated.

Now, what Canada was bad, but the US broke the Geneva Convention laws, yet again, by TORTURING him.
There are "secret" prisions(recently leaked, so not so secret anymore) around the world owned and ran by the US goverment where they torture people. The local goverment of the country doesn't know whats going on in there even, and in many of those countrys it's illegal by that country's law what is being done.

USA! USA! USA!

world police ftw!!! your so good at policing you can even hide the constitution with one hand whilst preaching freedom and liberty with the other! thats some kickass multi-tasking.

Holy shit. Wow. They should give him a couple of million CAD so he can fix up his life. o_o

Well we all know what people claim U.S. torture to be... Really loud music to keep detainees up all night, "ZOMG NOT LOUD MUSIC, NOT ALL NIGHT AHHHH! " Dude, I can put money down that 90% of this world's nations breaks the Geneva Convention Laws. Torture may seem inhumane but it does a whoooole lot of good if everything is done right, including a person guilty of crime(s) to the methods of torture.

Yeah, it really sucks that guy was falsely accused but what MSNBC wanted to draw out was that U.S. is an evil country, in reality, "Canadian intelligence officials passed false warnings and bad information to American agents" all wrapped up and with a bow on top for ya.

Just so you know FabianN, they also mention in there the guy is victim of 3 governments. U.S. was just stupid to believe those false warnings and bad information, the rest was procedure.

Let's all think about this for a moment too. No doubt this is awful that he as wrongfully accused but think about the big picture. America does this in hopes of bringing in "islamic extremist" who pose a threat to this country. I trust that this procedure has done far more good than bad, in this case turned out to be an awful event. Nothing is perfect, there are many innocent people prosecuted for crimes they didn't do but there are MANY MANY MANY more that are guilty of their crimes and are prosecuted. Would you prefer our government to let up on this just so fewer innocents wouldnt be prosecuted but in turn allow many more criminals back out on the streets?

Perfectly said, Arucard! The US was tipped off by the CANADIAN government. Note the word I capitalized. CANADIAN. They told the US that he was involved in illegal, terrorist acts. Honestly, what they did to him is far from what they should have done, had he really been a terrorist. I have NO feelings for the terrorists of this world. I'd love to watch them all tortured and killed in the most brutal way, for what they've done to America, and to the world. No mercy, in my opinion.

And honestly, does it look like the "evil, horrible, stupid" US government really hurt him? In that picture, he looks fine to me, and he even said he's not holding anyone accountable. If anything, he's mad that the Canadian government told America to put his wife on the list as well. All of you "Anti-American" people, who believe we do everything wrong, can back off. We acted on the pretense that this man was involved in terrorist planning. Had we been right, would you have honestly cared?

For all those saying it's all Canada's fault, you're wrong. It certainly is Canada's fault, but America's too. Canada gave America false information but America should have found out the information themselves! America shouldn't send some guy to Syria just because Canada told them that he was a "threat". Honestly no one deserves to be falsely accused to that extent and I hope this will get compensation. Still nothing can fix the scars of torture.

Now, what Canada was bad, but the US broke the Geneva Convention laws, yet again, by TORTURING him.
There are "secret" prisions(recently leaked, so not so secret anymore) around the world owned and ran by the US goverment where they torture people. The local goverment of the country doesn't know whats going on in there even, and in many of those countrys it's illegal by that country's law what is being done.

Thanks for clearing that up, I was under the impression that he was being held an a Syrian prison.

ye gods, the governments are just going nuts...

Ok I don't think you guys should be saying it's just one country's fault. All 3 countries were to blame. The poor guy, I don't know why he isn't sueing, I'd sue the asses off all the governments >.>

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After going over what I wrote, I decided that I said some things that I shouldn't have. I have removed those. But do releize that I am more pissed off then I ever have been about the bull-shit that is going on.
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Thanks for clearing that up, I was under the impression that he was being held an a Syrian prison.
Yea, for those that didn't catch the important things, I'll quote them:
Although the report centered on Canadian actions, the counsel for the commission, Paul Cavalluzzo, said the results show that the U.S. practice of renditions "ought to be reviewed."Many of them have been secretly taken by "extraordinary rendition" to other countries, hidden from U.S. legal requirements and often subject to torture.It also ONLY ever mentions Syria as being the location he went to

For all those saying it's all Canada's fault, you're wrong. It certainly is Canada's fault, but America's too. Canada gave America false information but America should have found out the information themselves! America shouldn't send some guy to Syria just because Canada told them that he was a "threat". Honestly no one deserves to be falsely accused to that extent and I hope this will get compensation. Still nothing can fix the scars of torture.
The sad thing is, he won't.
Arar filed a lawsuit in U.S. federal court, but the case was dismissed by a judge citing "national security" issues.Arar was not permitted to testify; the judge ruled it would be unfair to subject him to questioning based on secret information.Because of "national security" he will get NOTHING for the hell that they put him through.
The guy should be at the very least compisated for all the pay that he missed, and a bit extra on the top for the trouble that they gave him.


Ok I don't think you guys should be saying it's just one country's fault. All 3 countries were to blame. The poor guy, I don't know why he isn't sueing, I'd sue the asses off all the governments >.>
Like I said, he tried, but because of "National Security", they can just drop the case.

Perfectly said, Arucard! The US was tipped off by the CANADIAN government. Note the word I capitalized. CANADIAN. They told the US that he was involved in illegal, terrorist acts. Honestly, what they did to him is far from what they should have done, had he really been a terrorist. I have NO feelings for the terrorists of this world. I'd love to watch them all tortured and killed in the most brutal way, for what they've done to America, and to the world. No mercy, in my opinion.

And honestly, does it look like the "evil, horrible, stupid" US government really hurt him? In that picture, he looks fine to me, and he even said he's not holding anyone accountable. If anything, he's mad that the Canadian government told America to put his wife on the list as well. All of you "Anti-American" people, who believe we do everything wrong, can back off. We acted on the pretense that this man was involved in terrorist planning. Had we been right, would you have honestly cared?
Well, I can tell where your prioritys are.
FIRST, never did anyone say that the Canadian goverment was innocient. It's not. But Canada didn't torture.
AND IT DOES NOT [REMOVED] MATTER IF YOU DO CONDONE TORTURE, IT IS ILLEGAL BY US LAW, UN LAW, INTERNATIONAL LAW, AND THE LAW OF MANY OF THE COUNTRYS THAT THESE PRISIONS ARE BASED IN. OUR GOVERMENT IS BREAKING THE [REMOVED] LAW, END OF STORY.
YOU WANT TORTURE? THE MOVE TO SOME PLACE LIKE SUDAN, ANGOLA, VIETNAM, MYANMAR, TANZANIA. GO TO SOME THIRD WORLD COUNTRY THAT WILL ALLOW IT. BUT AS LONG AS A COUNTRY HAS LAWS AGAINST TORTURE, IS PART OF THE UN, SIGNED THE GENEVA CONVENTION, IT CAN NOT LEGALY TORTURE.


"Does it look like he was hurt"? No. Heres a little something that you may want to learn. People are able to heal. You know when you get a little cut or something? After time it heals. All people have this ability.

and he even said he's not holding anyone accountable. Not anyone, but he has already tried to hold the goverments accountable.


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I HAVE HARDLY EVER BEEN THIS [REMOVED] PISSED OFF AT A PERSON.
DON'T YOU EVER [REMOVED] CALL ME ANTI-AMERICAN. UNLIKE [REMOVED] YOU I AM STANDING UP FOR HUMAN RIGHTS. I'D LOVE TO SEE YOU BE PUT IN HIS SITUATION AND STILL STICK TO YOUR [REMOVED] IDEALS.
IT'S YOU THAT IS PROMOTING THIRD WORLD COUNTRY LAWS. IT'S YOU THAT IS PROMOTING THE IN-HUMAN, AND IT IS [REMOVED] YOU THAT IS PROMOTING THE ILLEGAL.
ALL OF YOU [REMOVED] ALWAYS USE THIS "ANTI-AMERICA" NAME ON US, AND I AM [REMOVED] PISSED OFF ABOUT IT.
WHAT I AM DOING IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE WRONGS THAT THE GOVERMENT IS DOING. YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, THEN GO TO SOME DICTATORSHIP, BECAUSE THATS WHERE THE PEOPLE DON'T [REMOVED] COMPLAIN ABOUT THE GOVERMENT.(Or well, they technically can, but it's mostly not recomended for thier health)
BUT AS LONG AS YOU ARE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, EACH AND EVERY [REMOVED] PERSON THAT IS A CITIZEN HAS A RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS WRONG, AND TO TRY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. IT IS THE AMERICAN WAY.
GET OFF YOUR [REMOVED] HIGH-HORSE AND COME BACK TO REALITY.
THIS IS AMERICA.
HOME OF THE FREE, LAND OF THE BRAVE.
AND I SAY THIS TO YOU AS A PROUD CITIZEN OF AMERICA, ONE THAT IS WILLING TO STAND UP FOR WHAT I BELIEVE IS RIGHT.

I hate the government. heck the whole world is suddenly becoming like them. it's all money, taxes, number crunches and do not pay till 2007's. people start selling pot (people with families) because it's the fast way to live the good life. it's never okay to be just middle class, with go-to-work dads, a part-time working mom, and your siblings in a half finished basement. everyone wants it, and they want it NOW, regardless of cause. it was a political move to strengthen canada's alliance with the US, I bet. marking everyone as terrorists to pacify them. sick, I say.

I hate the government. heck the whole world is suddenly becoming like them. it's all money, taxes, number crunches and do not pay till 2007's. people start selling pot (people with families) because it's the fast way to live the good life. it's never okay to be just middle class, with go-to-work dads, a part-time working mom, and your siblings in a half finished basement. everyone wants it, and they want it NOW, regardless of cause. it was a political move to strengthen canada's alliance with the US, I bet. marking everyone as terrorists to pacify them. sick, I say.

You won't get very far in life with that mentality. The world is getting too fast paced to where everyone can only handle so much. Governments have always, for the most part, been greedy and cruel. Be grateful for what you do have and if you don't accept that, grab a picket sign and go to Washington or something, because im getting sick of hearing about the government being awful. Yes it is, it always has been, so do something about it or get over it.

FabianN, you stated in your own long, angry spree, obviously pissed off at my opinion, that being in America gives me the right to my opinion. I stated it, and I meant every word. When the Japanese attacked America, all of the Japanese-Americans were rounded up, and put in to camps. These were not concentration camps, and were more for the good of the Japanese themselves. Every American was PISSED at what had happened, and they had a damn well right to be, and the US Government at the time did not want riots to break out, and innocent Japs who were loyal to America, to be hurt. I'm PISSED that MY nation; MY country; MY people, were attacked, and I have so many damn well reasons why I should. If I was given information that someone was a terrorist, I'd act on it. I'd do every damn thing possible, and you want to know why? Because I don't want 9/11 to ever occur again. EVER. I don't want to watch people jumping out of a building, because they don't want to burn; because they don't want to be crushed under several hundred tons of steel.

Don't you DARE lecture me on Human Rights. Don't you DARE. Do you really think that the terrorists who attacked the Twin Towers, really sat down and considered the "rights" of the people they were attacking? Do you really think they even CARED that they were going to destory nearly 20 thousand lives? Each one of those people who died most likely had a wife, and some kids, if not family that loved them. DO YOU THINK THEY CARED? To me, terrorists aren't human. They don't deserve rights. They deserve nothing, but death. Period, and end of story.

I don't consider myself better than any one person. I don't consider myself as educated, or as filled in on every matter of life. What I do consider myself, is a person that is willing to state their opinion, that they believe to be right, not caring what others think about them. Yes, it's a shame that the man had to go through all that he did. It really is, and I'm not saying he deserved it. Even knowing this, we did act under National Security. What if he had been a real terrorist? What if he had been planning to attack your town? To kill your loved ones, and the people you'd die for? Do you think you'd hold the same opinion yourself, FabianN? I don't think you would. I know people who were effected by 9/11. Some more deeply than others, and I never want to have to hurt for someone else like that again.

I hold no remorse, and I stand by what I've already said.

Yeah, that's sad.

(Also - there's no such thing as terrorists.)

Mmmmmm. Emotionally heated debates.

When the Japanese attacked America, all of the Japanese-Americans were rounded up, and put in to camps. These were not concentration camps, and were more for the good of the Japanese themselves. Every American was PISSED at what had happened, and they had a damn well right to be, and the US Government at the time did not want riots to break out, and innocent Japs who were loyal to America, to be hurt. I'm PISSED that MY nation; MY country; MY people, were attacked, and I have so many damn well reasons why I should.

However, your beloved AMERICA did launch multiple nukes back at JAPAN, killing millions of INNOCENT people. Was that fair to them? It was an act of revenge, and we all know revenge doesn't get anywhere.

I also hate the fact that when like 10 american dies in IRAQ, its a tragedy(same goes with Australians), but 1000 iraqis civilians dies, its a statistic.

However, your beloved AMERICA did launch multiple nukes back at JAPAN, killing millions of INNOCENT people. Was that fair to them? It was an act of revenge, and we all know revenge doesn't get anywhere.

I also hate the fact that when like 10 american dies in IRAQ, its a tragedy(same goes with Australians), but 1000 iraqis civilians dies, its a statistic.

The attack on Pearl Harbor was an act of War. Did you know, that statistically, more people would have died had the Nukes not been dropped? It's been proven. The Japanese people would not have given up untill they had been obliviated from the world. Those two nukes ended that war, and brought back a peace. Did you also know, that my beloved America spent time and resources to help re-build the Japan we had just destroyed?

As I type this post FabianN is most likely typing his rebutal. Eyes open Str1der.