I'm kind of curous about everything. It's not recentle but quiet some time that me and some friends has been discussing about this. May indeed get some opinions from you guys and I hope to get serious replies and not just some biased or half thought anwsers. Let's have some fun!

Topic - Is there a reason to live?

Some may say that we live for a certain "someone" If that is the case what happens when that person disappear? we simply become sad...frustrated and we keep living on...ths that "someone" isnt your reason of living.

Some may say we live to achieve a certain "something". Same as last opinion, what happens when we achieved "that" thing? We keep living for no reasons afterward?

Some may say for divine creatures or being. However for me, since God's are omni-present, I consider them irealistic. That means I dont b elieve in God and no one can possibly convince me about it.

As I read through some phylosophie books. That's a impossible question to anwser. Simple, we live for no proper reason. We don't have any reasons to live for. We simply live.

How about you guy's thoughts?

I think curiosity is why we live. Not knowing what is coming around the corner or what's going to happen next.

We live so we can experience pain,happiness,misery, and the mysterious.
I think the better question is why do we die?

I think we live to be tested by God.
If we pass the test,we go to heaven,if we fail,we go to hell.

You can't say that there is NO reason to live. We wouldn't be created if there was no reason.
The reason we live for me is to have fun......I don't think anyone lives to be miserable or to spend all their lives in school...

We live so that one day the machiens may use as thermal fuel.

Really, we live because we are compelled to experience all the joys of life. And when all of the joys and strife life have been experienced we feel them again because we cannot ever get enough of them.

Tech that is a religious based answer and if you look at any debate book/case/video/anything you will see that religious based answers are... well lack of better words... crap.

But its your opinion so its cool...

Personally I think we have many reasons to live. They change fairly often but I think the basic rule is. You live because you want to. You want to have new things etc.

And in some cases (like my own) you are scared of dieing because you can never know what will happen. Simply put "Life is a video game with no reset button."

Bah I'm getting to philisophical for my own good >_> welp I gota go to bed o.O

We live because we live I guess... ( I don't feel like going in-depth ) :P
Like if no one existed whats the point of even having a universe?

EDIT: Lol religion ZafPedx I'm learning about the 5 spiritual aspects of being human right now it may be related to what we are talking about...

To enjoy. It's all a big game to me. You either love or hate it.

We live to...
Well, to live. If you think about it, there really is no real reason to live. Why, humanity has done more damage to the planet then any other species, so to protect the planet can't be a reason.
To produce offspring? YOU are not required for your species to continue. If you died, it would have no large signifigance.
When you get right down to it, the only reason that you are alive is because, well, first, your parents decided to have a child, and that you have a want to live.
Thats it.

The reason to live is simply to live. If you want a more specific reason, its different for each person. I, myself, keep going simply because I hope to meet my "soulmate," I suppose you could say, yeah, its kind of a crappy reason, but whatever.

You live because we can experience pain suffering feelings and it hurts only because we can feel it so we are scared and do not wish for death

To enjoy. It's all a big game to me. You either love or hate it.

Agreed, 250%

Well, we just live and live.. Its not like we can choose to die or live.. we have no rights to choose whether we should live or not, Yep, maybe we can force ourself in dying by jumping from a high point or stabbing ourself in the heart, but when we die, its not like we can choose to go to hell or heaven, (even though I don't even think hell or heaven exist unless theres a solid proof). So yeh, we live because the somewhat 'God' made us live, and we are like 'God''s minions, he creates us and stuff, but we're still his minions in my opinion.. so, its like you cannot choose whether to live or die, its all not that hard to imagine, but thats just my opinion.

Well, I believe that there is really no reason to live. It's just that you don't want to die (unless you do, but I know you don't :p ). Because when you die, it's going to be painful, like heartattacks, breathing problems (like you choke to death), etc.

The reason to live is to experience God's creation. And to appreciate/hate it. To grow up as God planned us to grow up.

I don't think there's a reason to live. I don't believe in God either. Or an afterlife. Life is pretty pointless to me and I probably sound emo but it sucks too. All you can do is go with the flow, don't kill yourself, set your own goals, your own reasons to live, choose how to live it and then wait for death to come to you.

tldr

I just live to have secks.

Here is my belief of Life and Death.

I don't like the idea of... just... Not existing before we're born. And I don't like putting all my faith into an all mighty god. So I simply made this crap up.

Your existance, (soul as people would call it), isn't really some mysterious being.
In my beliefs it's a single cell in your brain. The cell is indestructable. When you are killed, the indestructable cell, (Which is you, controlling your entire body right now), still survives.
As we wait, un-thinking, un-sensing, the cell will get blown away, untill either it latches on and becomes the main cell of a sperm, to be born as something else, or float around for billions of years untill it finds a planet able to hold life and evolve.


The point of living, to die and move onto your next life. Enjoy yourself in the life you have, unless you want to float around unable to think, or sense anything, for ages until you have another life.

Death isn't the end of everything.


Yeah, I think too much...

We live because we just do. We try not to die cause well, we fear the unknown. And our reason for living? There isn't a definite reason, its an individual thing. I live to enjoy this planet, so when its screwed, i'll probably not give a damn... We're all gonna die one day anyway...

We live to die, end of story.

The only thing guaranteed in life is death, and taxes.

Well through reading the opinions of many of you. Some I dont agree specially the "God" ones. I`m going to say why I disagree with those.

First of all. Why living for god or why living because god created you? Not like GOd cares about you or not. You simply have to live for yourself and not for any other person. As many of us agree on " There´s no real reason to live" What we should do is to believe in ourself and to live for ourself. That´s my opinion. Therefore If I offense any of your religious beliefs. Forgive me.

Anyway. If so on, what happesn if the question turns into.

Why don´t you suicide? What exacly is preventing you from suicide??

Well through reading the opinions of many of you. Some I dont agree specially the "God" ones. I`m going to say why I disagree with those.

First of all. Why living for god or why living because god created you? Not like GOd cares about you or not. You simply have to live for yourself and not for any other person. As many of us agree on " There´s no real reason to live" What we should do is to believe in ourself and to live for ourself. That´s my opinion. Therefore If I offense any of your religious beliefs. Forgive me.

Anyway. If so on, what happesn if the question turns into.

Why don´t you suicide? What exacly is preventing you from suicide??
Ah, that where the question really lies.
And the answer is simple really.
We're scared.

I'm not sure about other people but the reason I live is cause I'm too much of a coward to take my own life so I'm just playing games and what not until I finally die.

I'll die when i choose to die.

I live because there are things I enjoy doing, and things I want to do. If I'm dead, I can't do those things now can I?

Why don´t you suicide? What exacly is preventing you from suicide??

Cowardice, fear, etc... Plus; I kind of like living right now. :)

I livr because living is awesome. although death is a factor, that should be well in the future, never knowing the outcome is a sample of how life is awesome, if life was laided out as the cloths my mom sets out for me in the morning then it would suck. And video games, without video, I would still be out side playing with friends for countless hoursand doing something prductive.

life... its a lot more complicated then we think, some people's life may become centered completely around it, until it is their life, in which they lose there life, either when what they live around, or for, dies or ends etc. which is when, they have no life left, they devoted everything, and they can't come back, they just can't, or if they suffer from depression, which could be caused by the former, they just lose the will to keep going, so decide to end it. It takes all, not just some, or a little bit, it takes all your will, your persiverence, everything that any basic human has to take there own life, they have to convince themselves that life isn't worth it, and that's hard, because you forget, we aren't just us, we really don't know how we do anything, just think about that, it will keep you up at night, how do you move your arm, I don't know how, I just do... its scary, we are made up of cells, all of them are working to live so you can live, you have to convince yourself, and that means you have to convince YOURSELF

To have fun and be satisfied at the end. After all, so far as I know, life is all I've got.

We live to thrive in gods creation? thats what every1 says and its the real only realistic answer..think about it. who created earth who created the animals before us and the dinos these dont just magicly appear but then theres the theory of Atoms creating DNA etc etc but then the question where did DNA and atoms come from all this will never be answers for a very long time but for all i know is , earth only has about 100 years left..if the industry and global warming keeps going on as it is

well, i personally think everyone wants to achieve more in life, most people want to reach their full potential before dying.

We live to thrive in gods creation? thats what every1 says and its the real only realistic answer..think about it. who created earth who created the animals before us and the dinos these dont just magicly appear but then theres the theory of Atoms creating DNA etc etc but then the question where did DNA and atoms come from all this will never be answers for a very long time but for all i know is , earth only has about 100 years left..if the industry and global warming keeps going on as it is

rodenty, A long long time ago, there was this thing called "The Big Bang" where the one big planet exploded into millions of smaller ones, this explosion let out a mix of gases and particals, creating an atmosphere, this atmosphere over many years, grew trees and plants and eventually clouds and rain, therefore creating the ocean, the trees and plants and because of the growing amount of water, moss started to grow on the trees and rocks, which over a few million years, evolved into insects. Then over another couple of billion years, the insects evolved into small fish to adapt to the ever changing climate as the water levels rise higher, Once again, another few million years go by, and earth has moved closer to the sun, the water begins to evaporate and create large land masses, over a few more million years, the small fish began to evolve into small rodents and frogs and so on to adapt once again to the fact that there is now land. Then cutting to the point, as the natural evolution cycle goes, the rodents eventually began to grow, and eventually turn into apes, the fish and frogs grew too, and turned into what we all know as dinosaurs, then BAM ayers rock comes out of nowhere and destroys all but the smaller fish and small mamals, that were capable of hiding underground/in the water, then the mamals evolved into chimps.. then apes.. then what we like to call humans, although some narrow minded morons would rather believe some massive guy was playing warcraft with the world and magically made us apear. - that concludes Ash's summary of "How the world was made."

then what we like to call humans, although some narrow minded morons would rather believe some massive guy was playing warcraft with the world and magically made us apear. - that concludes Ash's summary of "How the world was made."

LMFAO! very funny bit there, thanks that explains abit more about the big bang theroy

rodenty, A long long time ago, there was this thing called "The Big Bang" where the one big planet exploded into millions of smaller ones, this explosion let out a mix of gases and particals, creating an atmosphere, this atmosphere over many years, grew trees and plants and eventually clouds and rain, therefore creating the ocean, the trees and plants and because of the growing amount of water, moss started to grow on the trees and rocks, which over a few million years, evolved into insects. Then over another couple of billion years, the insects evolved into small fish to adapt to the ever changing climate as the water levels rise higher, Once again, another few million years go by, and earth has moved closer to the sun, the water begins to evaporate and create large land masses, over a few more million years, the small fish began to evolve into small rodents and frogs and so on to adapt once again to the fact that there is now land. Then cutting to the point, as the natural evolution cycle goes, the rodents eventually began to grow, and eventually turn into apes, the fish and frogs grew too, and turned into what we all know as dinosaurs, then BAM ayers rock comes out of nowhere and destroys all but the smaller fish and small mamals, that were capable of hiding underground/in the water, then the mamals evolved into chimps.. then apes.. then what we like to call humans, although some narrow minded morons would rather believe some massive guy was playing warcraft with the world and magically made us apear. - that concludes Ash's summary of "How the world was made."

if what you say is true, then what made the big bang happen? or more over what made this super huge planet?

anyways we live to die. thats my thoughts about it

yeah i think that pretty much sums up all that i ever learnt while at school.

if what you say is true, then what made the big bang happen? or more over what made this super huge planet?

anyways we live to die. thats my thoughts about it

stars and planets are full of molten hot lava in the middle if u didnt already know, most scientists speculate that a series of earth quakes near the core of the massive planet may have caused the explosion.

stars and planets are full of molten hot lava in the middle if u didnt already know, most scientists speculate that a series of earth quakes near the core of the massive planet may have caused the explosion.

still what created all the stars and moltend hot lava? there had to be something that made it,

still what created all the stars and moltend hot lava? there had to be something that made it,

no one knows what did, but no one can prove some god did it.

no one knows what did, but no one can prove some god did it.

yes no one can prove that a god didnt now can they?

We live to die. Plain and simple.
That is the sole purpose of life. Think of it as recycling if you will.
Tree's, plant's, animals, and humans ane even the earth and universe all recycle life after death.
For instance when a tree dies It falls and it's seed is put into the earth equaling another tree/tree's. Recycled. Plants die, drop their seed. Recycled.
Animal's go into heat (when the are ready to conceive) And have offspring.
Same with humans. Everything in the universe is recycled.
Planet's die and the debris floats around until planting itself into a new host, Thus putting it's seed in a whole new planet, Giving it it's own living conditions.

So the whole meaning of life is to die. Spread our seed and recycle life, Thus death is the greatest thing we can acheive in life.

Or not.

There is no real reason to life. We could all just die at one point. We as humans wonder about many things, including the reason to live. Why? Because we are curious. But if you think about it, you're lucky to have life. Whether or not you are religous, you might not even exist if something happened. The world has gone through many changes...and I think that the reason you live is just because you're lucky to.

To your suicide question; I think people don't commit suicide regularly because they are afraid. They are afraid of what's to happen. Afraid if there is no afterlife.

There is no reason to live. But we live simply because we can...

we live, because we were forced to, none of us ever had a choice, if you did, think about it, and think about everything, now think about this, if you had a choice, between choosing to become alive, or well ---------- (unknown)
what would you choose. Me, personally I don't know, and I never will until I experience -----------.

There is no real reason to lie. We could all just die at one point. We as humans wonder about many things, including the reason to live. Why? Because we are curious. But if you think about it, you're lucky to have life. Whether or not you are religous, you might not even exist if something happened. The world has gone through many changes...and I think that the reason you live is just because you're lucky to.

To your suicide question; I think people don't commit suicide regularly because they are afraid. They are afraid of what's to happen. Afraid if there is no afterlife.

There is no reason to live. But we live simply because we can...Not trying to flame or anything just makeing a comment on an opinion. The reason I haven't taken my own life is I'm afraid I'll live and how screwed I'll be. People have survived behind shot in the head and stabbed etc.. So I'm scared if I try it and fail I'll be screwed for life and end up liveing with some big disabilitys. Another reason is I have too much imagination, I can feel some pain by just thinking of it so the very thought of my body screaming "NO!" that loud at me scares me.

Ah, but you are still afraid of it. That's a big thing in humans. We have the power to be scared, and that makes us do things.

Don't think about life to much. It'll hurt your head. Just be glad you are alive

yes no one can prove that a god didnt now can they?

and until you prove a god DID, then its faulse and never happened.

and until you prove a god DID, then its faulse and never happened.

that may be so but it still dont explain how it all got here-_-

Well, before everything existed, there as nothing, then it exploded and here we are.

Since when could 'nothing' explode?

Since when could 'nothing' explode?

Man i wanted to say that

Not trying to flame or anything just makeing a comment on an opinion. The reason I haven't taken my own life is I'm afraid I'll live and how screwed I'll be. People have survived behind shot in the head and stabbed etc.. So I'm scared if I try it and fail I'll be screwed for life and end up liveing with some big disabilitys. Another reason is I have too much imagination, I can feel some pain by just thinking of it so the very thought of my body screaming "NO!" that loud at me scares me.

Then you do not want to die my friend.

I live like an animal. Just to live.

I exhale to take another inhale, and I love it.
(Note to reader: Ever noticed how you only appreciate breath after you've gone a prolonged period without inhaling/exhaling, or concious thought?)

We live to die. Plain and simple.
That is the sole purpose of life. Think of it as recycling if you will.
Tree's, plant's, animals, and humans ane even the earth and universe all recycle life after death.
For instance when a tree dies It falls and it's seed is put into the earth equaling another tree/tree's. Recycled. Plants die, drop their seed. Recycled.
Animal's go into heat (when the are ready to conceive) And have offspring.
Same with humans. Everything in the universe is recycled.
Planet's die and the debris floats around until planting itself into a new host, Thus putting it's seed in a whole new planet, Giving it it's own living conditions.

So the whole meaning of life is to die. Spread our seed and recycle life, Thus death is the greatest thing we can acheive in life.


I disagree. At least, with your choice of wording.

You should be saying "We live to reproduce, so others may live." But to say "We live to die," is silly, because then we'd all be commiting suicide do to the phsycology of the notion.

My views on the whole Life and Death thing are a little too complicated for my mind to comprehend right now. (it's 1:00 AM, give me a break) Considering that, I'm only going to post opinionated points of mine.

You see, dating ALL the way back to the first post, made by the thread starter, this all gives me more reason to believe in my Fate and Destiny topics. Although we will never know, but I like to question each side of an argument, to get the other point of view. Fate is present because we are complled to do what we do, the reason we can't figure this out is because we don't have Time Machines to go back and change whatever we did. But you see, even if we had Time Machines, then what happens if Fate compels us to go back and change something? See, even with superior technology, we will still NEVER know if Fate or Destiny exist. It's all a neverending cycle of opinions and theories. This all may seem a little jumbled up and stuff because I'm tired, but I tried. -_-

I live to sex.

I try to worry too much about this.

But you make your own reason to live.

I'm pretty sure i live to sex.

To comment on people who say we live just to live, i live like an animal, i live for sex. Its very vague, stupid, or selfish. The difference between humans and the rest of the life in this world is that we have a concious to choose to do something or not. Animals move mechanically, their purpose in life is to survive. Our purpose in life in my opinion is to better ourselves in knowledge and as good people and treat others fairly, as for how we use resources in this world it is a completely different discussion but I believe we should take better care of our land and not take it for granted.

To answer the question why shouldn't we suicide and whats preventing us from doing it:
Well i believe that the bodies we are using do not belong to us. Its a privileage lent to us and its our responsibility to take care of it. I believe this to the fullest and thats why I don't smoke/drink/take drugs/adultry. How I view people that do this...well its their choice and I have no say in how they choose their decisions in life.
Whats preventing us from doing it is easy, its our concious.

ill post more later gtg now

Then you do not want to die my friend.I can also make myself feel colder, warmer and shiver? As I said too much imagination my brain thinks oddly. Also no I don't mean oddly as in some little kid attempting to ask for attention or make themselfs different I'm realistic and from what I know about the way other people think mine is pretty damn different and faulty.

To comment on people who say we live just to live, i live like an animal, i live for sex. Its very vague, stupid, or selfish. The difference between humans and the rest of the life in this world is that we have a concious to choose to do something or not. Animals move mechanically, their purpose in life is to survive. Our purpose in life in my opinion is to better ourselves in knowledge and as good people and treat others fairly, as for how we use resources in this world it is a completely different discussion but I believe we should take better care of our land and not take it for granted.

To answer the question why shouldn't we suicide and whats preventing us from doing it:
Well i believe that the bodies we are using do not belong to us. Its a privileage lent to us and its our responsibility to take care of it. I believe this to the fullest and thats why I don't smoke/drink/take drugs/adultry. How I view people that do this...well its their choice and I have no say in how they choose their decisions in life.
Whats preventing us from doing it is easy, its our concious.

ill post more later gtg now

Well simply put, its pure animal instinct, to survive.

Well living is being, being is all that you are, you can't change that, because you even *are* in memory's of others.

I really think you just have to find your life purpose for yourself, i don't believe in gods, or faith, i believe in people and coincidence.

To comment on people who say we live just to live, i live like an animal, i live for sex. Its very vague, stupid, or selfish. The difference between humans and the rest of the life in this world is that we have a concious to choose to do something or not. Animals move mechanically, their purpose in life is to survive. Our purpose in life in my opinion is to better ourselves in knowledge and as good people and treat others fairly, as for how we use resources in this world it is a completely different discussion but I believe we should take better care of our land and not take it for granted.

Here's a great quote:

"Humans are semi-intelligent animals with baseball caps and machine-guns."

Here's a great quote:

"Humans are semi-intelligent animals with baseball caps and machine-guns."


those are americans:eye:

those are americans:eye:
Maybe just the baseball caps.

Maybe just the baseball caps.

Yeah true, everybody has machine guns nowadays.

You could see it like: humans have instinct that allows them to think they can think.

:D

Not trying to flame or anything just makeing a comment on an opinion. The reason I haven't taken my own life is I'm afraid I'll live and how screwed I'll be. People have survived behind shot in the head and stabbed etc.. So I'm scared if I try it and fail I'll be screwed for life and end up liveing with some big disabilitys. Another reason is I have too much imagination, I can feel some pain by just thinking of it so the very thought of my body screaming "NO!" that loud at me scares me.

its simple, save the world the trouble of you living, we need the air.
heres a tip, point a gun towards the roof of you're mouth, you cant survive that.

put simply, anyone who thinks im being harsh doesnt know this kid.
he sits at home 24/7, he even does home schooling because hes that scared of the sun.

its simple, save the world the trouble of you living, we need the air.
heres a tip, point a gun towards the roof of you're mouth, you cant survive that.

put simply, anyone who thinks im being harsh doesnt know this kid.
he sits at home 24/7, he even does home schooling because hes that scared of the sun.

Your post is disgusting. Your excuse for this post is disgusting. So Your a disgusting person ashste999. This thread requires maturity and you don't belong here.

So that, we are all afraid to take our own life because of a single lifeform's feeling - FEAR - . We need to convince ourself, not just tell but convince ourself to perform any kind of dangerious action which ultimately leads to death. That I pretty much agree with.

To the one who asked " There has to be a creator to the molten lava and planets that was originally there" then you mean there must be a creator to everything right? EVERYTHING has ultimately a creator. Then who created God? Dont tell me nonsense such as he created himself. You just agree with " There's a creator to EVERYTHING" and nothing can be EVERYTHING...if you get what I meant...

I am the creator of everything, muah aha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa!

So that, we are all afraid to take our own life because of a single lifeform's feeling - FEAR - . We need to convince ourself, not just tell but convince ourself to perform any kind of dangerious action which ultimately leads to death. That I pretty much agree with.

To the one who asked " There has to be a creator to the molten lava and planets that was originally there" then you mean there must be a creator to everything right? EVERYTHING has ultimately a creator. Then who created God? Dont tell me nonsense such as he created himself. You just agree with " There's a creator to EVERYTHING" and nothing can be EVERYTHING...if you get what I meant...

We need to convince ourself, not just tell but convince ourself to perform any kind of dangerious action which ultimately leads to death. That I pretty much agree with.


Yep lets all go dangerous things! Fear prevents us from doing stupid things as well ya know...

EVERYTHING has ultimately a creator. Then who created God? Dont tell me nonsense such as he created himself. You just agree with " There's a creator to EVERYTHING" and nothing can be EVERYTHING...if you get what I meant...

There are exceptions in this world, not everything is created on purpose either.

There are exceptions in this world, not everything is created on purpose either.

Then perhaps this world was the exception? No one created it and it just popped out of nowhere.?

Basically.

Then perhaps this world was the exception? No one created it and it just popped out of nowhere.?

Its possible, all those are theories anyway... I think argueing over theories is futile. :P

Actually I don't think its fear. More of guilt. When we want to commit suicide, you will probably be thinking about everything you have done, you want to do, your whole live, etc. You begin to doubt as there's a lot of more things you probably want to do. So you do/will not commit suicide.

And as for the reason to live... If you say your reasons are to die, or you live for no reason at all, I really do pity you. You have no real interests or real goals(probably) and you just do not know what to do in the near future or when you grow older. The only thing you think about is death, or you just live waiting for your life to end. That's what is probably will happen if you have no reason to live. And if the real reason for a person to live is to die, and he does not commit suicide because of fear, I ask you what of those "fearless" people. I'd say jumping down from a heli or climbing without any ropes is hella scarier than just pointing a gun at your forehead and pull the trigger.

Just my opinion. Well as if any one will care anyway. Oh and by the way my reason to live is to create happiness to a lot of people in the world. :D Preety big stuff, but I will try hard. Since it's my reason I live in the first place.

Actually I don't think its fear. More of guilt. When we want to commit suicide, you will probably be thinking about everything you have done, you want to do, your whole live, etc. You begin to doubt as there's a lot of more things you probably want to do. So you do/will not commit suicide.


Fear of not being able to do what we want?? Perhaps....


And as for the reason to live... If you say your reasons are to die, or you live for no reason at all, I really do pity you. You have no real interests or real goals(probably) and you just do not know what to do in the near future or when you grow older. The only thing you think about is death, or you just live waiting for your life to end. That's what is probably will happen if you have no reason to live. And if the real reason for a person to live is to die, and he does not commit suicide because of fear, I ask you what of those "fearless" people. I'd say jumping down from a heli or climbing without any ropes is hella scarier than just pointing a gun at your forehead and pull the trigger.

Just my opinion. Well as if any one will care anyway. Oh and by the way my reason to live is to create happiness to a lot of people in the world. :D Preety big stuff, but I will try hard. Since it's my reason I live in the first place.

Well, what happens when you ahieve your goal??? Will you live for no proper reason anymore? Living to achieve something is not THE MAIN reason for one to live. The question I first asked should be read as whats your purpose of living? Living to achieve like... Being number 1 of the world as example. When you reach number 1, what will you have as reasons afterward? ( Don´t be stubborn on the number 1 example ok...)

There are exceptions in this world, not everything is created on purpose either.

There are no exceptions! All things have a creator. It seems you're talking about accidental discoveries, well who made the thing you discovered? Seriously, use basic chemistry to answer this problem. You take one element and pack it against another element and you get a new compound, a new substance. The creator? You.

Well, what happens when you ahieve your goal??? Will you live for no proper reason anymore? Living to achieve something is not THE MAIN reason for one to live. The question I first asked should be read as whats your purpose of living? Living to achieve like... Being number 1 of the world as example. When you reach number 1, what will you have as reasons afterward? ( Don´t be stubborn on the number 1 example ok...)

There is no such thing as achieving all of your goals. Every person is greedy, whether they like it or not. It's human nature, and we always must have more. If you are the single most respected human on Earth, then you strive to become a poor, lonely beggar to see what it's like. Even if you complete a goal, there are others present afterwards. If you complete your ONE MAIN GOAL, then you have secondary goals as well, right?

Well, what happens when you ahieve your goal??? Will you live for no proper reason anymore? Living to achieve something is not THE MAIN reason for one to live. The question I first asked should be read as whats your purpose of living? Living to achieve like... Being number 1 of the world as example. When you reach number 1, what will you have as reasons afterward? ( Don´t be stubborn on the number 1 example ok...)
When we achieve a goal, we get another. And is it really possible to be number 1 at all times. If you are number 1 and you think you have no more reason to live, wait till they slip past you. Won't be too pleased with yourself then will you?

If i was going to commit suicide, i'd go on a killing and pillaging rampage.

Why not?

I'm going to die anyways.

I think, we just build milestones for us to reach. When we reach our goal we make another one. And then, we are content to die happy. By the time you finished the goals you want to, whether they are small or effect on a global scale, thats when you die.

A real kick in the pants.

A real kick in the pants.

I requested mature replies...



Anyway, I just had a thought like after reading some of the replies again. Indeed we have no proper reason to live for however. We live for Desires and this word desrib pretty everything we mentioned in this topic. Some might agree that there's a limit to everything but if you take example of Happiness for desires, isnt that pretty infinite? We never have enough happiness as a 100 happiness would be erased by one sadness no? ( Example? =S )

How do we know that we are real, not a drug indused vision of.. oh i dont know... a beetle?

I think curiosity is why we live. Not knowing what is coming around the corner or what's going to happen next.

i would have to agree...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life

I present you the answer,now this discussion is over.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life

I present you the answer,now this discussion is over.

I'm asking YOUR OPINION here. Not some nerd-made text with no proper personnal opinions.

Yeah, and that makes it perfect and not biased like alot of sites.

to die having succeeded in your purpose

I have two reasons to live 1 when iam 18 i get 30k and Final Fantasy 12 (less then two weeks away)

A list of popular beliefs found on wikipedia
a personal favorite on this list is the second last one on OTHER



Survival and temporal success

...to live everyday like it is your last and to do your best at everything that comes before you
...to accumulate wealth and increase social status
...to advance natural human evolution, or to contribute to the gene pool of the human race
...to advance technological evolution, or to actively develop the future human
...to compete or co-operate with others
...to destroy others who harm you, or to practice nonviolence and nonresistance
...to die having succeeded in your purpose
...to gain and exercise power
...to leave a legacy, such as a work of art or a book
...to live
...to produce offspring through sexual reproduction or asexual reproduction (alike to number three)
...to protect one's family
...to pursue a dream, vision, or destiny
...to seek freedom, either physically, mentally or financially
...to see how long humanity can go on, before it destroys the Earth
...to seek happiness and flourish, experience pleasure or celebrate
...to survive, including the pursuit of immortality through scientific means (see life extension)
...to complete your list of life goals
...to find something to believe
Wisdom and knowledge

...to be without question, or to keep asking questions
...to try to discover and understand the meaning of life
...to expand one's perception of the world
...to explore, to expand beyond our frontiers
...to learn from one's own and others' mistakes
...to seek truth, knowledge, understanding, or wisdom
...to understand creation
...to satisfy the natural curiosity felt by man about life.
Ethical

...to express compassion
...to follow the "Golden Rule"
...to give and receive love
...to live in a way that you don't harm yourself and don't harm your environment
...to work for justice and freedom
...to live in peace with each other, and in harmony with our natural environment (see utopia)
...to protect humanity, or more generally the environment
...to serve others, or do good deeds
Religious and spiritual

...2 Thessalonians 1: 11, 12 says our instructions from God as Christians is to be like Christ and to be worthy of his calling by doing what Christ would do (W.W.J.D.)
...to achieve a supernatural connection within the natural context
...to achieve enlightenment and inner peace
...to achieve rebirth in the Pure Land
...to become like God, or God-like
...to be rewarded for your deeds
...to experience existence from an infinite number of perspectives in order to expand the consciousness of all there is (i.e. God)
...to be a filter of creation between heaven and hell
...to produce useful structure in the universe over and above consumption (see net creativity)
...to reach Heaven in the afterlife
...to seek and acquire virtue, to live a virtuous life
...to turn fear into joy at a constant rate achieving on literal and metaphorical levels: immortality, enlightenment and atonement
...to understand and follow the "Word of God"
...to worship, serve, or achieve union with God
Other

...to be emotionally fulfilled
...to find true love
...to live, love, and laugh
...to achieve self-actualisation
...to contribute to collective meaning ("we" or "us") without having individual meaning ("I" or "me")
...to find a purpose, a "reason" for living that hopefully raises the quality of one's experience of life, or even life in general
...to live, and enjoy the passage of time
...to have fun
...to participate in the inevitable increase in entropy of the universe
...to make the conformists' lives miserable (see nonconformism)
...to participate in the chain of events which has led from the creation of the universe until its possible end (either freely chosen or determined, this is a subject widely debated amongst philosophers)
...to relate, connect, or achieve unity with others
...to resolve all problems that one faces, or to ignore them and attempt to fully continue life without them, or to detach oneself from all problems faced (see Buddhism)
...to seek and find beauty
...as there is no intrinsic meaning to life, to each individual, the "meaning of life" is whatever he/she decides it is. In that sense, every point above is potentially valid.
...an answer to the question "What is the meaning of life?" is that it is just simply being able to ask the question, "What is the meaning of life?" (see Sri Sri Ravi Shankar below)
...to determine a set of goals based on an individuals belief in the meaning of life and work towards the attainment of those objectives.
...to make life as difficult as possible for others
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...a combination of any of the above.
No purpose, and therefore...

...to simply live until one dies (there is no universal or celestial purpose)
...just a series of events
...just nature taking its course
...the wheel of time keeps on turning
...the cycle of life
...whatever you see you see, as in "projection makes perception"
...there is no purpose or meaning whatsoever (see nihilism)
...life may actually not exist, this is all a surreal dream.
...to live in fear of possible events that may happen after life ends.
...have fun while it lasts.
...the purpose of life is balance.

We live to...
Well, to live. If you think about it, there really is no real reason to live. Why, humanity has done more damage to the planet then any other species, so to protect the planet can't be a reason.
To produce offspring? YOU are not required for your species to continue. If you died, it would have no large signifigance.
When you get right down to it, the only reason that you are alive is because, well, first, your parents decided to have a child, and that you have a want to live.
Thats it.

Taking the argument in your point of view, Well why havent we died yet? Its pretty simple. There are many reasons for people to live depending on how you view life. The most common is religious dedication, A test from god. And thats my main one. Other people live for pleasure, Others to acheive. Its simple as that, People live to not die, Or feel the pain of dieng. If you fabiann think that you live for the hell of it. That would be contradicting the fact that we shall all die at one time, For a reason. Then we shall be judged etc. etc. Reason to live is a very sophisticated and in depth subject. But personally i think its for religious reasons. Not, Pleasurablys.

Taking the argument in your point of view, Well why havent we died yet? Its pretty simple. There are many reasons for people to live depending on how you view life. The most common is religious dedication, A test from god. And thats my main one. Other people live for pleasure, Others to acheive. Its simple as that, People live to not die, Or feel the pain of dieng. If you fabiann think that you live for the hell of it. That would be contradicting the fact that we shall all die at one time, For a reason. Then we shall be judged etc. etc. Reason to live is a very sophisticated and in depth subject. But personally i think its for religious reasons. Not, Pleasurablys.

I might take it the harsh way so if I offend you, sorry.

About "Test of God"....based from Fabian's example. YOU are not requirre to save human from God's test. ( If he does exist which I doubt...not going to argu on this)

In any case, if there WAS a reason for us to remain alife. It would be "Desires" however, I pretyt much support that there's no proper reason to live for. We live to live.

nothing on earth can satisify us, no matter what we do, how hard we work. but after we rested and think about what we have done, we will think that what for? why r we hard-working? if we could not answer this, we will be weary or troubled. life is not something about what we get, but we offer, no matter what we get, we can't take anything with us. but what we offered, is still remembered after ages later.

in my opinion, life on earth is not about how long we live, it's about how meaningful my life is. i know a person, who lived only 5 years and killed by cancer. but he is a Christian, he trusted in his simple mind that he is going to meet God at the end, so he had no fear even he knows that he is going to die. after his death, alot of people believed in God and we had a great conversation about this. through this event, i noticed that a sentence in the Bible is very true: if a seed does not die, it is still one. but if it dies, it will produce many many lifes and spreads them around.

again, life is not about what we get, but what we offer.

nothing on earth can satisify us, no matter what we do, how hard we work. but after we rested and think about what we have done, we will think that what for? why r we hard-working? if we could not answer this, we will be weary or troubled. life is not something about what we get, but we offer, no matter what we get, we can't take anything with us. but what we offered, is still remembered after ages later.

in my opinion, life on earth is not about how long we live, it's about how meaningful my life is. i know a person, who lived only 5 years and killed by cancer. but he is a Christian, he trusted in his simple mind that he is going to meet God at the end, so he had no fear even he knows that he is going to die. after his death, alot of people believed in God and we had a great conversation about this. through this event, i noticed that a sentence in the Bible is very true: if a seed does not die, it is still one. but if it dies, it will produce many many lifes and spreads them around.

again, life is not about what we get, but what we offer.


What exactly were you smooking when you typed that.

Q: "A reason to live?"
A: "A reason to die?"

We truely cannot figure out such questions, for we know nothing about what reason we exsist.

It does not really matter if we live or blow the hell out of each other.

In the end it will not really matter.

well...if we created by god...wat happen to those retard ppl?
everyone have different purpose to live

To have fun and be satisfied at the end. After all, so far as I know, life is all I've got.

Well said.

Reason to live is to just mate and past on your genes to future generations. Past on your culture and yadda yadda. Im going to school in like 2 min so i can't say much.

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Think about it.

Well, my reason to live is actually, to work for money later, and to buy new MMO's with it *And afcourse get a living, have sex eh..*

and afcourse i want to experience the virual 3d Helmets for pc like .hack =)

Procreation is the real answer.

I might take it the harsh way so if I offend you, sorry.

About "Test of God"....based from Fabian's example. YOU are not requirre to save human from God's test. ( If he does exist which I doubt...not going to argu on this)

In any case, if there WAS a reason for us to remain alife. It would be "Desires" however, I pretyt much support that there's no proper reason to live for. We live to live.


That made no sense. Your life is your life. Your not going to save any humans. No proper reason? You live to live. Thats like saying you drink to drink. But you dont, There is a reason. To quench your thirst. This life is a test. And it is, You may argue it isnt. Its a test of faith, Prowess, Disclipline open mindedness. Most atheists are so for a reason, To make sure they have as much sex as possible without doing anything else.

I live for my girlfriend and my friends, but i think generally speaking, the reason for living, is to grow up, get married, get a good job, have kids, blah blah blah. Think of it like a game man, say Diablo 2. You want to beat the game, plus you want to be on the top of the ladder.

So what im trying to say here is..
how i shot web?





Also, the point of life is to get to the end with all epic gear and 1000g in bank. Plus maybe epic mount.

That made no sense. Your life is your life. Your not going to save any humans. No proper reason? You live to live. Thats like saying you drink to drink. But you dont, There is a reason. To quench your thirst. This life is a test. And it is, You may argue it isnt. Its a test of faith, Prowess, Disclipline open mindedness. Most atheists are so for a reason, To make sure they have as much sex as possible without doing anything else.

Well, i could say Drinking and living cannot be used as comparison. It's simply not the samething, they dont have the same values.

Test of faith, prowess or mental....these are what the christianist or believers of Gods would say. However, u dont need faith to survive ( example, me ) you dont need to be skillfull nor powerfull in anything to survive ( You can live without having much skills like prehistoric mankind, or up to today. Do you need a certain skill to breath in order to survive? would you need skills to walk? those are self-taught thus cannot be considered as a skill or Prowess as you said) mentally disciplined, how many people are living in this world with a inferior intelligence or a disordered mind? ( Handicaps as example ). A reason to live? I dont think there is one. Take it this way, the "reason to live" is something needed in order to survive. Without "that" reason, you will die NATURALLY and no by suicide. ( That excludes all suicide for girlfriend or boyfriends.) At least, that is my theory.

Well, i could say Drinking and living cannot be used as comparison. It's simply not the samething, they dont have the same values.

Test of faith, prowess or mental....these are what the christianist or believers of Gods would say. However, u dont need faith to survive ( example, me ) you dont need to be skillfull nor powerfull in anything to survive ( You can live without having much skills like prehistoric mankind, or up to today. Do you need a certain skill to breath in order to survive? would you need skills to walk? those are self-taught thus cannot be considered as a skill or Prowess as you said) mentally disciplined, how many people are living in this world with a inferior intelligence or a disordered mind? ( Handicaps as example ). A reason to live? I dont think there is one. Take it this way, the "reason to live" is something needed in order to survive. Without "that" reason, you will die NATURALLY and no by suicide. ( That excludes all suicide for girlfriend or boyfriends.) At least, that is my theory.


Well, there got to be a reason why Big bang started? is the element that created the universe according to the scientist. Then the question expand where did this Big bang came from?. If universe wasn't created yet what thing create a big bang?. If you guys don't know what a Big bang mean is an huge start that exploreted and from there it started to form planets. There a lot of reason to live one of them is to solve the mystery that created the Big bang that ended up created the planets. So there hopefully Life mean something if not i did try.

We're gods soap opera, his puppets, his play things. That's why he never helps.

That's why people praise him because he's probably a cold hearted bastard watching us all fail at life and struggle to survive.

Does that sum it up for you?

I don't even think theres an answer to that and hellsing, i dont think there was no element til earth was made by the bang :DDD

The reson to live is to live twords the Greater Good, everything eventualy falls into place, the way person acts effects the entire universe belive it or not, and tho a person that doesnt contribute to socity is incinficant it helps every one els by showing then that thats NOT how to live life. I think everything falls into place sooner or later.

Well, there got to be a reason why Big bang started? is the element that created the universe according to the scientist. Then the question expand where did this Big bang came from?. If universe wasn't created yet what thing create a big bang?. If you guys don't know what a Big bang mean is an huge start that exploreted and from there it started to form planets. There a lot of reason to live one of them is to solve the mystery that created the Big bang that ended up created the planets. So there hopefully Life mean something if not i did try.


As you already know that our specie ( Human ) is not eternal. Many and almost all of us will eventually die without accomplishing anything so great that more than a 100 people will remember us after 2-3 month of our death. Also, by some millions years after, we'll eventually be wiped out by hte sun's explosion OR the other unknonw lifeform supression around the galaxie if ever we we can travel away from our constellation. Human will eventually extinguish. We will eventually DIE.....if we're meant to die...is there any reason for us to live? ( Is there a reason to die?)..test about God....what's the point of having a test when we're meant to die at the end? Heaven or paradise? That's a bit foolish to think of. If the event of Big Bang is meant to happen for a reason then God is created by Human in order to supress our fear of "un-secure" ( Spelling? I wanted to mean like...the feeling of not being protexted...but dunno how to write in one sentence..) Ok btw, try to stay away from a long explaination toward God's existence. I'm taking that as example. Sorry.

I have 2 answers.

First being scientific, Think about it really there is no reason to live we just do were just cells that are intelligent, its hard to put into words were just a scientific phenominon that happened to create a being with the ability to think.I dont believe in god so if we were just created by cells evolving into a bigger and better thing , thats not a reason to live there is no REASON we just happened to form into what we are while other bacteria and ameobas evolved into other things its just chance that we are what we are we could have been born as misqitoes.

My reason to KEEP living is money I know it sounds greedy and stupid but monies what makes the world go round.For me its all about frienda money having fun and socializing and having a fun life.

So in conclusion theres no actual reason TO live theirs just reasons to KEEP living.

Well, i could say Drinking and living cannot be used as comparison. It's simply not the samething, they dont have the same values.

Test of faith, prowess or mental....these are what the christianist or believers of Gods would say. However, u dont need faith to survive ( example, me ) you dont need to be skillfull nor powerfull in anything to survive ( You can live without having much skills like prehistoric mankind, or up to today. Do you need a certain skill to breath in order to survive? would you need skills to walk? those are self-taught thus cannot be considered as a skill or Prowess as you said) mentally disciplined, how many people are living in this world with a inferior intelligence or a disordered mind? ( Handicaps as example ). A reason to live? I dont think there is one. Take it this way, the "reason to live" is something needed in order to survive. Without "that" reason, you will die NATURALLY and no by suicide. ( That excludes all suicide for girlfriend or boyfriends.) At least, that is my theory.

That says nothing at all. Why do you die? For a scientific reason no? Isnt this scientific reason pretty much tied up to religious reasons. I am a muslim. Not christian i doubt you know anything about my religion and if you did life would make alot more sense to you. Simply, Life has all these different points. Pleasure etc. etc. We die, To be judged. You die whatever happens. And its scientific, Thus meaning religious. Now, If we were immortal, That would be different wouldnt it? What if, We knew nothing about science, That would be different too. But at our level of technology and understanding, Using logic we should reach a conclusion which is much more deeper than. To live, For pleasure etc. Thats what i think, And IMO Its very reasonable.

why live when you can go into heaven and do whatever you want

Availer I hope you know Christians and Jews can also be muslims too.

Although I believe you were referring to yourself as a follower of Islam, but are you truly 100 percent a muslim too?

(I probably confused most but the meaning muslim means "one who gives full submission to god")

I just want to remind you that even you too must fear from not preventing heaven because maybe won't attain it even if you do follow Islam.

why live when you can die and goto heaven lol?

first of all there is no god we are just scientific phenomenon

and second of all there is NO proof there is even ANYTHING greater than us

A muslim is a follower of islam, yes.

I wish people wouldn't try to push their faith (or lack thereof), on others.>_>

I'm an agnostic, but I don't tell people they can't believe in a god.

Therefore, I don't want people trying to force their religion on me, because I deliberately choose not to believe and I think I'm right, and nothing you say will ever change my mind. Not only is it impolite, but it shows a lack of maturity.

Availer I hope you know Christians and Jews can also be muslims too.

Although I believe you were referring to yourself as a follower of Islam, but are you truly 100 percent a muslim too?

(I probably confused most but the meaning muslim means "one who gives full submission to god")

I just want to remind you that even you too must fear from not preventing heaven because maybe won't attain it even if you do follow Islam.

Im sure they can, Anyone can. Muslim means follower of peace. Islam means peace. Im part of this religion. I pray, I beleive, I learn. Thats being a muslim. Im not perfect, not at all. Im pretty bad, And i admit it. No, Im sure i will attain it by being a true muslim.

Hustler. Your evidence is around you. The whisteling of the birds and the lush green landscapes, The stark blue skies, Smooths colourless lakes. Thats your evidence. Aeons of oblivion covering us, Huge canasbonic flaming stars of death. Scientific phenomenon? Haha, A joke?

how is that evidence ? what have you been smokin? You sure nobody put some rocks of crack in your food lol . JK but really thats NOT evidence thats just what it is, birds making sounds and grass, just cells and bacteria sitting their thats all it is. Birds are just a bunch of tiny organisms forming into being with some form of brain capacity lol trust me just because a bird chirps doesnt mean theres a god. If there was a god there wouldnt be poor hungry starving children in africa and east idian countries like iraq and iran getting their brains blown out by guys runnin around shootng people over what they beleive to be a god

hope this helps even if it does sound harsh

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Half of Attaining a greater goal (goingto heaven) comes from faith and from yourself (if your a good person).

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To comment on people saying whats the point of living if your going to die. My answer is only the bodies we use will remain dead, our souls will live on

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To comment on people who say my reason to live is to live please read my previous posts because your guys need to put some effort

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To answer to the nonbelievers -

I don't know you personally, but here is my input

Your reason for joining this conversation/making this thread was that you yourself was missing something. A long time ago many people were missing something. God sent them messengers. You yourselves have got the message from people who do believe in one god. Its your choice do submit , that is our test.

So you must grow up and ask yourselves are you truly satisfied with your faith , yourselves, your future, your future after death, and your existance in general. People who feel guilt, doesn't matter what it is ...people who feel guilt feel it for a reason because deep inside they know they did/are doing something wrong.

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This is what I would tell my friend if he had any of these problems, so don't be offended because i do regard people here as friends

hope this helps even if it does sound harsh

To answer to the nonbelievers -

I don't know you personally, but here is my input

Your reason for joining this conversation/making this thread was that you yourself was missing something. A long time ago many people were missing something. God sent them messengers. You yourselves have got the message from people who do believe in one god. Its your choice do submit , that is our test.

So you must grow up and ask yourselves are you truly satisfied with your faith , yourselves, your future, your future after death, and your existance in general. People who feel guilt, doesn't matter what it is ...people who feel guilt feel it for a reason because deep inside they know they did/are doing something wrong.


heh. I don't have any faith, nor do I want any faith, especially not evangelical Christianity.

First I would like to clearify something.

There is TOTALLY NO PROOF OF ANY BEING SUPERIOR THAN HUMAN IN EVERY WAY. ( When tehre's not a single proof of one's existence, it is considered as non-existence. )

God(s) were created by a HUMAN. Bible was written by a HUMAN. No matter how you look at it, turn it or throw it around, it is still a HUMAN who created those "divine" items or beliefs.

Science is NOT RELIGION. So whoever goes " Scientific = religion" is 100% FALSE. As Science can more or less prove with SOLID FACTS, where oyu can touch and see it. In the opposite, religion offers nothing but something you can "feel" only. Feeling is not a solid evidence to something. ( I feel like Pikachu exist...then it does? Nop )

To those going around saying " I love for ( Some1, something ). I've already said a couple of time. We can globalize those things as Desires. If there was indeed a reason to live for, it's for our own desires.

how is that evidence ? what have you been smokin? You sure nobody put some rocks of crack in your food lol . JK but really thats NOT evidence thats just what it is, birds making sounds and grass, just cells and bacteria sitting their thats all it is. Birds are just a bunch of tiny organisms forming into being with some form of brain capacity lol trust me just because a bird chirps doesnt mean theres a god. If there was a god there wouldnt be poor hungry starving children in africa and east idian countries like iraq and iran getting their brains blown out by guys runnin around shootng people over what they beleive to be a god

Proves how closed your mind is. Im talking about how perfectly balanced the world is. I MEAN BALANCED, Cells and bacterias are creations of god. HE MADE THEM TO MAKE US. Your saying all this was a mistake? Just a matter of chance? Thats completely stupid, Its the ideas of closed minded people who just want to experience as much pleasure as possible and no they wont have anything happen to them when they die. They love life too much, And most of the time they would be the people who would disagree with the prospectus of death/afterlife. Poor hungry starving children are there for a reason, A test? Didnt i say that. Its our job to help them, Dont you think god is merciful? Imagine that this "mishap" Of yours completely changed, And we had 9 legs, 1 eye and no tongue? We had the brain capacity of a fish, and our respitary system was faulty since birth. Imagine that, That doesnt happen. I really doubt a whole universe could be just of chance, These ideas and thoughts are those of people who fear. Open minded people realise this world to be more than just a matter of complete chance.

how is that evidence ? what have you been smokin? You sure nobody put some rocks of crack in your food lol . JK but really thats NOT evidence thats just what it is, birds making sounds and grass, just cells and bacteria sitting their thats all it is. Birds are just a bunch of tiny organisms forming into being with some form of brain capacity lol trust me just because a bird chirps doesnt mean theres a god. If there was a god there wouldnt be poor hungry starving children in africa and east idian countries like iraq and iran getting their brains blown out by guys runnin around shootng people over what they beleive to be a god

Proves how closed your mind is. Im talking about how perfectly balanced the world is. I MEAN BALANCED, Cells and bacterias are creations of god. HE MADE THEM TO MAKE US. Your saying all this was a mistake? Just a matter of chance? Thats completely stupid, Its the ideas of closed minded people who just want to experience as much pleasure as possible and no they wont have anything happen to them when they die. They love life too much, And most of the time they would be the people who would disagree with the prospectus of death/afterlife. Poor hungry starving children are there for a reason, A test? Didnt i say that. Its our job to help them, Dont you think god is merciful? Imagine that this "mishap" Of yours completely changed, And we had 9 legs, 1 eye and no tongue? We had the brain capacity of a fish, and our respitary system was faulty since birth. Imagine that, That doesnt happen. I really doubt a whole universe could be just of chance, These ideas and thoughts are those of people who fear. Open minded people realise this world to be more than just a matter of complete chance.


Oh lord icy, You dont understand do you. You are basing this on stupid christianic beliefs how can you judge a religion you have never experienced Science=religion is 100% True. People who side with one of these are complete nutters. Christians side with religion and scientfic pleasure fanatics side with science. Balanced, Natured humans use both to find the true meaning of life. And there is a religion which is science. Would you beleive that 1500 years ago people would know there was a moon, Solar system etc. Well no, They didnt, But when the qu-ran was founded there were writings about complicated scientific theories which havent been found out to this day. For example, It said that iron wasn't original made on this planet. Which is beleive to be true. Why? Because its energy levels created while it burns are higher than the suns. So it is impossible to be created on this planet so its likely to have come with another metoer from another galaxy. So, Basicly. Islam is science and religion. Science and religion are what our lives are based on. They are what power our curiousity, lust and greed. Not facing that is not facing the truth.

"There's a religion of science"

Before I go further, may you name that religion please? ( I'll laugh if you name the one I'm thinking)

You every think some things are supposed to not be questioned.
(ex. CarpetShark PWNS!!!)

Think about it like this, our universe revolves around things that should not be questioned, infact the very thing that holds the human particles together is something that should not be questioned. If you don't understand what I mean about holding our particles together then ask your local science teacher. :p

The reason to live is to die. Its all how you live though. In fact a cartoon in todays editorial section relates to this. Theres two stands. One is a health food one and the other sells burgers (its called the "Transfats cart" or something like that). The burger stand man says to the other "At least they'll have a good life" And its true. I do some pretty dumb shit. Ive sledded down 200foot hills in flaming trashcans (almost got hit by a car cause of that) climbed and fell off of many buildings, and stuff like that. Various times ive come close to being killed. But guess what. If i died today jumping off my bike and being hit by a truck cause it swerved to avoid it or something like that. I wouldnt mind. I had a fun life. So someone hurts his lungs a bit from smoking a bit of pot (not NEARLY as bad as tabbaco!) at least it was fun. People are to afraid of our future so they keep in their mindset of "Im not gonna do that. What about when its 20 years in the future?". Well i might never have a beer when i turn 21. I might be a violent person on alcohol! Or i could try it and have a beer and talk a while with some people at the bar. So you all can die at 78. Im gonna move to canada when eugene becomes full of wannabe hippies and maybe find some more trashcans and die at 47.

I mean are you living right for anyone but you?

ok im close minded? IM close minded when Im the one saying all religions like christianity are stupid and only your(whatever it may be) is right, your saying starving dieing childrens that are supposed to live are actually supposed to die becasue its a test to test US instead of them? What the hell that makes you sound like an islamic extremist just make sure you dont go bombing anybody

"There's a religion of science"

Before I go further, may you name that religion please? ( I'll laugh if you name the one I'm thinking)Read the whole thing son.

ok im close minded? IM close minded when Im the one saying all religions like christianity are stupid and only your(whatever it may be) is right, your saying starving dieing childrens that are supposed to live are actually supposed to die becasue its a test to test US instead of them? What the hell that makes you sound like an islamic extremist just make sure you dont go bombing anybody



Your going ****ing to far. People like your are called god damn racists. Closed minded ****s who dont understand anything. Firstly, Im not close minded by sayng christianity judaism is wrong. Islam is the only religion that accepts these religions why? Cause in our religion its beleived jesus was a prophet, Who was attacked by the jewish, Abraham was a prophet too. Accept we dont beleive jesus is dead, Neither is he gods son. He is a prophet. Test US? They die because of us. We made them starve, Its our fault, We are to blame, We ravaged their lands with war and destroyed their people. Take iraq for an example. Completely raped by US 700,00 Dead in 3 years? God hell, This is a muslim holocaust. I dont beleive its a god damn test. God gave us the freedom of choice. Thats why there is balance in the world if we werent here. The animals have no freedom, They cant massacre each other. We can, we are upturning the balance.

People explode themselves for their people. People go to iraq and sacrifice their lives to get the murdering US Army out of their lands. I never said it was right. I think getting a gun and fighting is much more patriotic. But still, if you just watch western media youll get a very bad image. And its true, You need to see the view point of the people dieng, Not the killers.

IM close minded when Im the one saying all religions like christianity are stupid and only your(whatever it may be) is right
Yes that is a blatent display of your narrow mindedness. :P

"There's a religion of science"

Before I go further, may you name that religion please? ( I'll laugh if you name the one I'm thinking)

Isnt it Darwenisum(dont think i spelled it right)

and i really dont think we are the primary speices in the Universe... cuz it just doesnt make sence that we would be the primary.... i havent proved my theroy but i am working on it :P i have bought a Hebrew Translated bible(the one that you can really realy off of because it hasnt been tamperd with that much) and i will start reading it tommorw. I have read some strange things out of it so i dunno.


Jewish religion is very ligit to, Jesus SAYS hes not the masisia(wich kinda backs up my teiroy cuz he cannot be the mysissia cuz hes on the wrong planet) any ways i spelled some stuff wrong no worrys.

Heheheh, I thought someone going to bring up " Scientology is science!!!"...anyone no one did so * Thumb UP * to everyone in this discussion except the n arrow-minded guy.

Anyway, talking about War and things. Why did human creat weapons? Some of you might say to protect ourself but look at the present world. We're used those "self-defence" weapon into building a chaos in other's territory. Or simply, weapon isnt used as it's suppose to be as before. ( If you get what i meant? =S )

In any case, I get the point of " Science=religion" but I still denies it. Just cause Science sounds "logical and reasonable" to me and God-related religions sounds totally *censored* to me.

lol, Sicentology rofl, any ways, humans created wep because we are narrow minded creatures. We think that volionce solves things(it doesnt in the long run) War is the result of supidity and the inablity to reason out a agreement.