I have question about 1st job skill points...im Lv 21 right now i have

10 double stab
3 disorder
1 dark sight
max NB

I have 27 points left and wat should i do with it? Use 10 point max Double Stab? rest all going to dark sight or going disorder and darksight?

u should max out ds first if im not mistaken

I have question about 1st job skill points...im Lv 21 right now i have

10 double stab
3 disorder
1 dark sight
max NB

I have 27 points left and wat should i do with it? Use 10 point max Double Stab? rest all going to dark sight or going disorder and darksight?

Max Double stab, and then whatever, you've already lost your chance to max DarkSight too, so you can as well scatter remaining SP randomly. Take some lucky 7 even.

Why, oh why did you max NimbleBody? :(
Now you won't have enough points to max DarkSight and DoubleStab.

Before you ask:
Some people say NB is essential, but it is in fact it is useless.
Just think about it: you have DEX and LUK and hence hundreds of accuracy and avoidability.
Meanwhile warriors struggle to raise their STR while keeping their DEX as low as possible, but still they manage to hit monsters they can kill in a reasonable amount of hits.
Your accuracy will be several times higher, so you'll have no problem hitting monsters you can reasonably kill, and also no problem hitting many monsters you'd take hours to kill.

DarkSight is a great skill when it's maxed.
When it's maxed it doesn't negate your "speed+" bonuses, for example potions and Haste. Thus letting you move fast while invisible, and saving you the trouble of recasting haste/eatin speed pills.

When it's not maxed it's not too great, and since you don't have enough SP to max it, you could as well skip it.


A crazy option would be to keep DoubleStab at 18, and master DarkSight with your remaining points, and then in 2nd job switch to savage blow as the main attack.

Max Double stab, and then whatever, you've already lost your chance to max DarkSight too, so you can as well scatter remaining SP randomly. Take some lucky 7 even.

Why, oh why did you max NimbleBody? :(
Now you won't have enough points to max DarkSight and DoubleStab.

Before you ask:
Some people say NB is essential, but it is in fact it is useless.
Just think about it: you have DEX and LUK and hence hundreds of accuracy and avoidability.
Meanwhile warriors struggle to raise their STR while keeping their DEX as low as possible, but still they manage to hit monsters they can kill in a reasonable amount of hits.
Your accuracy will be several times higher, so you'll have no problem hitting monsters you can reasonably kill, and also no problem hitting many monsters you'd take hours to kill.

DarkSight is a great skill when it's maxed.
When it's maxed it doesn't negate your "speed+" bonuses, for example potions and Haste. Thus letting you move fast while invisible, and saving you the trouble of recasting haste/eatin speed pills.

When it's not maxed it's not too great, and since you don't have enough SP to max it, you could as well skip it.


A crazy option would be to keep DoubleStab at 18, and master DarkSight with your remaining points, and then in 2nd job switch to savage blow as the main attack.


olaph's job guide (from the old forum)said max NB.....and i thought i can max it in the 1st job than max double stab, rest go to darksight and disorder than use 2nd job SP points to max it so i wont need steal. Is this build ok?

if u call urself a pure dagger thief... then why havent u maxed ds!! it makes no sense to me so maybe u could explain >.>
well... i dont see how maxing that stuff keeps u from needin steal... i think that they are unrelated o.O
well... in my opinion... you should have done it like this
1. max double stab
2. 3 into dissorder? (to open dark sight)
3. max dark sight
4. pretty much free to put rest in nimble or dissorder...
but im a sin... what do i know >.>

olaph's job guide (from the old forum)said max NB.....and i thought i can max it in the 1st job than max double stab, rest go to darksight and disorder than use 2nd job SP points to max it so i wont need steal. Is this build ok?

oh and it was maxsims guide not mine..i just reposted it after it got deleted

wait you supposed to max outdarksight?! woops, i got 20 lucky7, max nimble body,a nd the rest darksight, level 10 i think..
forgot keeneyes i got tht though maxed

wait you supposed to max outdarksight?! woops, i got 20 lucky7, max nimble body,a nd the rest darksight, level 10 i think..
forgot keeneyes i got tht though maxed
dude... wtf... arn't you a sin? how would u not know that u did not max keeneyes o.O"

if u call urself a pure dagger thief... then why havent u maxed ds!! it makes no sense to me so maybe u could explain >.>
well... i dont see how maxing that stuff keeps u from needin steal... i think that they are unrelated o.O
well... in my opinion... you should have done it like this
1. max double stab
2. 3 into dissorder? (to open dark sight)
3. max dark sight
4. pretty much free to put rest in nimble or dissorder...
but im a sin... what do i know >.>

i didnt max it cuz i dont have that much sp yet?....-.-''
steal is a useless skill...in 2nd job u can use rest points to max dark sight which i will do...
NB is really important because when u fighting monster 4 example bains u need close combat and which means the more miss u got the less pots u need to use + Lv 1 dark sight can almost get you every where....besides i think 3/4 of time i would go training instead using darksight to exploring....u might say dark sight help u get back town more quicker will thats wat return scrolls r 4 right?

i didnt max it cuz i dont have that much sp yet?....-.-''
steal is a useless skill...in 2nd job u can use rest points to max dark sight which i will do...
NB is really important because when u fighting monster 4 example bains u need close combat and which means the more miss u got the less pots u need to use + Lv 1 dark sight can almost get you every where....besides i think 3/4 of time i would go training instead using darksight to exploring....u might say dark sight help u get back town more quicker will thats wat return scrolls r 4 right?
yea but with lv 1 dark sight u will move VERY SLOW and ur haste doesn't stack with it UNLESS you max it... it is not only for going back to town(you have scrolls for that >.>) ... u can also use it to save urself from death... if there is a mob too big for u to handle u can use it to pass them and go for the next one...
and is 10 accuracy gonna help u THAT much?

yea but with lv 1 dark sight u will move VERY SLOW and ur haste doesn't stack with it UNLESS you max it... it is not only for going back to town(you have scrolls for that >.>) ... u can also use it to save urself from death... if there is a mob too big for u to handle u can use it to pass them and go for the next one...
and is 10 accuracy gonna help u THAT much?

Not 10 accuracy its 10 avodi.....again the less u get hit the less pots u spent
Sure it can help me from Death....im just saying that Lv 1 darksight can give me 15 second to get my self to safety, i dont really need that much time like Lv 20 give me.....if i cant get my self to safety in 15 seconds i would be 2 retarded to train a bandit lol.

Im just using useless skill points 4 steal to max DS.....chill man

max ds first...thts wut i did..