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FabianN
11-21-2006, 07:36 AM
I have just watched one of the most appalling videos I've seen in quite some time.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9A_vxIOB-I











What you saw there was a US soldier holding a water bottle out behind a jeep as it drove down the road. The children who are starving and thirsty run after the water, begging for it. The soldiers laugh at the sight. This continues till there is only one kid left, and then the soldier throws the bottle out and some older kids grab it.


And some people honestly still can't figure out where all the hate for America comes from? It comes from people like these.

raikun09
11-21-2006, 07:48 AM
that is possibly the most fucked stuff i have ever seen

Ramstien
11-21-2006, 07:52 AM
After that description, i decided not to watch it.

But, that is only one of the places where hate for america comes from.

kfckaykay
11-21-2006, 10:45 AM
Eh, I think its because the US soldier doesn't want the children to fight for the water bottle, just like if he throws the water bottle, all the children will definetly fight for it, just like how when he threw it, all the older guys fought over it.

lasthero
11-21-2006, 10:45 AM
same with ramstein lol.

Raiyne
11-21-2006, 10:48 AM
Eh, I think its because the US soldier doesn't want the children to fight for the water bottle, just like if he throws the water bottle, all the children will definetly fight for it, just like how when he threw it, all the older guys fought over it.

He was laughing and mocking them.

shadow__6
11-21-2006, 10:55 AM
These kind of people should be took to the street and shot, seriously thats just pure slack
how the hell would they feel if they had to run after a car and feel all tired then at the end they dont even get the bottle of water.
what a waste of energy i'd say

kfckaykay
11-21-2006, 11:19 AM
To me, it seems more like the US soldier is encouraging the Iraqi kid to run for the water ( Which is a good thing ), what I think we should be hating ; is'nt the US soldier, more like the older Iraqi boys.

*Legend*
11-21-2006, 11:20 AM
Yeahm America is like a forum. Members thrive there for a good four years...and then assholes are born (Nixon, Bush), and they join the forum. Then everybody good leaves (Clinton) and the forum starts to decline. After a while, the forum dies (AMERICA).

Assholes like them should be taken to a jailhouse bathroom and get anally raped over and over again, and then stoned with sink pipes.

^And no, it's not encouraging. If you watch it with your volume up, you'll hear that he was laughing - ne, mocking them while conversing with his 'partner in crime' about it. And those kids don't need to run, they have enough stamina to run a marathon, they're healthy enough.

RidleyLoki
11-21-2006, 11:34 AM
I think all of humanity is fucked up, but that's just me. You know our planet wouldn't be half dead by now if we didn't exist.

Jakuza
11-21-2006, 11:47 AM
I don't even know how these kinda people are even recruited. Yeah its not all seriousness on the battlefield, but this is f*ckin appalling.

*Legend*
11-21-2006, 11:49 AM
Armies can't judge a person's true nature or mentality. For instance - some people join just to kill. Armies have methods for weaving them out; but some people are psychologically prepared to play it off. Not to mention being in the army gives you a sense of power, they felt like taunting some Iraqi children. Sad.

Ramstien
11-21-2006, 12:42 PM
To me, it seems more like the US soldier is encouraging the Iraqi kid to run for the water ( Which is a good thing ), what I think we should be hating ; is'nt the US soldier, more like the older Iraqi boys.

Oh noes, the Iraqi children want water!!!!

Maybe, we should kill all Iraqi children so they don't need to run for the water.

Danuve
11-21-2006, 03:06 PM
I don't condone there actions but I won't condemn them. After spending a certain amount of timing fighting to a defend a foreign land that dislikes you to begin with...you begin to harbor a certain hatred for them yourself I can only assume those soldiers were releasing a load of bottled up hate towards these people.....I myself would give in to such behavior after awhile of being separated from my loved ones, protecting people I do not know or care for, in a war thats lost all meaning and the threat of dying or being seriously injured looms on the horizon each morning. -_-

Edit: after watching it in full that would definatly be an interesting diversion.

Katsu
11-21-2006, 03:33 PM
These kind of people should be took to the street and shot, seriously thats just pure slack
how the hell would they feel if they had to run after a car and feel all tired then at the end they dont even get the bottle of water.
what a waste of energy i'd say

Then you're really no better than he is. By all means, it was a pretty awful thing to do, but hardly something you deserve to die for. Besides the fact that he is clearly a soldier in hostile territory, you don't know what may or may not have happened to him to make him become such a cold person. More so than anything, I feel bad for him, if you think mocking someone else's plight is funny, you're obviously not all there in the head.

And to the rest of you assholes who think you have the right to judge him, you're not in his situation. You have probably never once in your life had to risk your well-being for anything. Hell, most of you don't even have regular jobs, let along one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet. Until you've lived like he has, you don't have the right to judge him. Who's to say you wouldn't act exactly the same or worse in a similar situation?

Raiyne
11-21-2006, 03:54 PM
Who's to say you wouldn't act exactly the same or worse in a similar situation?

I'm sure most of us here love mocking hungry and thirsty kids and making them chase after a vehicle for water.

Katsu
11-21-2006, 03:57 PM
I'm sure most of us here love mocking hungry and thirsty kids and making them chase after a vehicle for water.

Do you fight in the armed forces for your country? Have you ever been shot at? Have you ever even fired a gun? If not, you have no idea what he has been through and have no right to judge him. He might have thought exactly like you before he found himself in that situation.

War is hell and it brings out the absolute worst in everyone involved.

Raiyne
11-21-2006, 04:05 PM
Do you fight in the armed forces for your country? Have you ever been shot at? Have you ever even fired a gun? If not, you have no idea what he has been through and have no right to judge him. He might have thought exactly like you before he found himself in that situation.

War is hell and it brings out the absolute worst in everyone involved.

That's nice, he's still an asshole for doing that to the kids. So you're saying you've been through all of this? W.O.W~ Neato :rolleyes:

Katsu
11-21-2006, 04:29 PM
Actually I am saying I have not, hence not judging him. And there's a difference between being an asshole and being a product of a hostile environment, and that looks to be a clear cut case of what's happened here.

Off-topic: I am enlisted in the US Army.

Sparta
11-21-2006, 04:36 PM
Eh, I think its because the US soldier doesn't want the children to fight for the water bottle, just like if he throws the water bottle, all the children will definetly fight for it, just like how when he threw it, all the older guys fought over it.

Oh completely.

So instead he decides to make a little sadistic game out of it.

Yeah I totally understand.

And what you people need to realise is that not everyone that goes over to Iraq to "serve" actually sees combat, even in a warzone, not everyone gets to witness that.

FabianN
11-21-2006, 05:02 PM
Then you're really no better than he is. By all means, it was a pretty awful thing to do, but hardly something you deserve to die for. Besides the fact that he is clearly a soldier in hostile territory, you don't know what may or may not have happened to him to make him become such a cold person. More so than anything, I feel bad for him, if you think mocking someone else's plight is funny, you're obviously not all there in the head.

And to the rest of you assholes who think you have the right to judge him, you're not in his situation. You have probably never once in your life had to risk your well-being for anything. Hell, most of you don't even have regular jobs, let along one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet. Until you've lived like he has, you don't have the right to judge him. Who's to say you wouldn't act exactly the same or worse in a similar situation?
Oh, ok.
So when a soldier snaps and kills his whole family, thats ok because he went through some hostile environments?

To me, it seems more like the US soldier is encouraging the Iraqi kid to run for the water ( Which is a good thing ), what I think we should be hating ; is'nt the US soldier, more like the older Iraqi boys.
Yea...
Lets see.
You barely have a roof over your head, you haven't eaten for a few days. The only water you have drank is that out of muddy puddles.

And then along comes a soldier and he is holding a bottle of clean water! You run and run begging for the bottle, but they don't give it to you. Instead they laugh at the sight of you begging for water.


I can garentee you that all of those children right there will grow up hating America, and may become terrorists

Katsu
11-21-2006, 05:18 PM
Oh, ok.
So when a soldier snaps and kills his whole family, thats ok because he went through some hostile environments?

That just might be the dumbest thing I have heard someone say on these forums in weeks. Which I must congratulate you for because these forums are filled with stupidity. How you managed to pull that it's ok to kill a family from saying someone taunting children due to being in a hostile environment is beyond the general lack of logic found on these forums, it's just plain retarded. But even though you lack a point, I'll give you a valid response. No, it is not "right" when someone kills their family, not ANYONE. Any retard with half a brain understands this much. But if it was a soldier that killed his family directly after finishing a tour of duty, excluding if he murdered people before he was in the military, he is not completely to blame. Truthfully, almost anyone who can murder another human being is not right in the head. But ESPECIALLY someone who was changed by outstanding circumstances.

But lets get down to the real point, you lot are flaming someone in a video you found on the INTERNET for a situation you did not witness in person or know the background to. On top of the fact that the person isn't here to defend themself. Now atleast in my opinion, that's dishonorable and cowardly. Seems like everyone thinks they're an expert on the situation and have the right to judge everyone else. Face it, the majority of you are children who really have no clue what you're talking about. So you really should learn not to speak before let along judge another person before you know the full situation.

zaku
11-21-2006, 05:22 PM
poeple hate america cause htere jealous. that video just made them hate us more. america is just hateful at iraquis because they are stereotypical at middle easterns and are angry at 9/11. dont get me wrong, thats still unexcusable behavior IMO

Katsu
11-21-2006, 05:24 PM
poeple hate america cause htere jealous. that video just made them hate us more. were just hateful at iraquis cause there MUSLIMS and muslims like to kill innocent americans. dont get me wrong, thats still unexcusable IMO

Again, children judging situations without facts to base their opinion on. Name one Iraqi that you know of that killed an innocent unarmed American citizen.

Pipster
11-21-2006, 05:25 PM
Zaku, you are warned for being absoloutely arrogant of the subject, insulting another type of religon.

And for my own steak, Katsu, if one is young, it does not automatically mean one is un-knowing, immature and a jerk.

For example I'm twelve, and I still go off good, whereas some older people act like eight-year-olds in their anger tantrums.

Sparta
11-21-2006, 05:52 PM
That just might be the dumbest thing I have heard someone say on these forums in weeks. Which I must congratulate you for because these forums are filled with stupidity. How you managed to pull that it's ok to kill a family from saying someone taunting children due to being in a hostile environment is beyond the general lack of logic found on these forums, it's just plain retarded. But even though you lack a point, I'll give you a valid response. No, it is not "right" when someone kills their family, not ANYONE. Any retard with half a brain understands this much.

Wow, you're pretty stupid and/or retarded yourself, ofcourse by your "standards".

Fabian was being sarcastic, dear. So technically it was a rhetorical question, and you're not really meant to answer it...

zaku
11-21-2006, 05:56 PM
Zaku, you are warned for being absoloutely arrogant of the subject, insulting another type of religon.

And for my own steak, Katsu, if one is young, it does not automatically mean one is un-knowing, immature and a jerk.

For example I'm twelve, and I still go off good, whereas some older people act like eight-year-olds in their anger tantrums.

im sorry, my post came out wrong. i mean americans THINK muslims are bad and are hateful toward them, i did not mean that muslims were evil people. i edited the post. oh well, a warnings a warning:(

apologies to any muslims, i hav a lot of friends who are muslim

warnings expire after time, right?

raikun09
11-21-2006, 06:12 PM
yes they do.

whether it is from stress from the battle field or hatred of that religion/people.

it's wrong...


i wouldnt even do that to my enemy

Ganix
11-21-2006, 09:19 PM
I can garentee you that all of those children right there will grow up hating America, and may become terrorists

And we care if they hate America? Of course there is going to be assholes.. they are everywhere in this world, not only America.
And although this does seem to be on eof those assholes, i have to agree with :

That just might be the dumbest thing I have heard someone say on these forums in weeks. Which I must congratulate you for because these forums are filled with stupidity. How you managed to pull that it's ok to kill a family from saying someone taunting children due to being in a hostile environment is beyond the general lack of logic found on these forums, it's just plain retarded. But even though you lack a point, I'll give you a valid response. No, it is not "right" when someone kills their family, not ANYONE. Any retard with half a brain understands this much. But if it was a soldier that killed his family directly after finishing a tour of duty, excluding if he murdered people before he was in the military, he is not completely to blame. Truthfully, almost anyone who can murder another human being is not right in the head. But ESPECIALLY someone who was changed by outstanding circumstances.

But lets get down to the real point, you lot are flaming someone in a video you found on the INTERNET for a situation you did not witness in person or know the background to. On top of the fact that the person isn't here to defend themself. Now atleast in my opinion, that's dishonorable and cowardly. Seems like everyone thinks they're an expert on the situation and have the right to judge everyone else. Face it, the majority of you are children who really have no clue what you're talking about. So you really should learn not to speak before let along judge another person before you know the full situation.


and..
Wow, you're pretty stupid and/or retarded yourself, ofcourse by your "standards".

Fabian was being sarcastic, dear. So technically it was a rhetorical question, and you're not really meant to answer it...

just shut up.

*Legend*
11-21-2006, 09:21 PM
Then you're really no better than he is. By all means, it was a pretty awful thing to do, but hardly something you deserve to die for. Besides the fact that he is clearly a soldier in hostile territory, you don't know what may or may not have happened to him to make him become such a cold person. More so than anything, I feel bad for him, if you think mocking someone else's plight is funny, you're obviously not all there in the head.

And to the rest of you assholes who think you have the right to judge him, you're not in his situation. You have probably never once in your life had to risk your well-being for anything. Hell, most of you don't even have regular jobs, let along one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet. Until you've lived like he has, you don't have the right to judge him. Who's to say you wouldn't act exactly the same or worse in a similar situation?

Pretty ignorant to say that don't you think? :)
Psychologically speaking, 'hostile environments' can not alter a person's behavior, only his way of processing things. Trust me, his job, nae a 'hostile environment' should not change his sense of morality; taunting a homeless, hungry, or obviously thirsty child for sick pleasures only signifies that his mindset is not strong enough. Someone who is mentally prepared or is morally justified would not do something like that for 'fun' no matter how hard their job is.

And just for the heck of it, by calling us 'assholes' you've indirectly judged us. By saying we have no right to judge him, and then continue on to judge us, you've basically made yourself look like a complete and total hypocrite...Have fun with that. :D

FabianN
11-21-2006, 10:31 PM
That just might be the dumbest thing I have heard someone say on these forums in weeks. Which I must congratulate you for because these forums are filled with stupidity. How you managed to pull that it's ok to kill a family from saying someone taunting children due to being in a hostile environment is beyond the general lack of logic found on these forums, it's just plain retarded. But even though you lack a point, I'll give you a valid response. No, it is not "right" when someone kills their family, not ANYONE. Any retard with half a brain understands this much. But if it was a soldier that killed his family directly after finishing a tour of duty, excluding if he murdered people before he was in the military, he is not completely to blame. Truthfully, almost anyone who can murder another human being is not right in the head. But ESPECIALLY someone who was changed by outstanding circumstances.

But lets get down to the real point, you lot are flaming someone in a video you found on the INTERNET for a situation you did not witness in person or know the background to. On top of the fact that the person isn't here to defend themself. Now atleast in my opinion, that's dishonorable and cowardly. Seems like everyone thinks they're an expert on the situation and have the right to judge everyone else. Face it, the majority of you are children who really have no clue what you're talking about. So you really should learn not to speak before let along judge another person before you know the full situation.
Yes, my example was on the extreme side, but the point I was making still applies.

Simply taunting children, while is still stupid, is not the problem here.
It was taunting STARVING children with what they needed for survival.
And you know what? I CAN fucking judge this. That guy there is a US soldier. I am a US citizen that pays taxes.
The US soldiers work for the government, and the government works for the people of the US. They represent us as a country, and that was the representation that the people there saw. What you went through in the past means NOTHING to them and how they will shape their opinion of us.



And we care if they hate America? Of course there is going to be assholes.. they are everywhere in this world, not only America.
We cared when the twin towers were hit.

AthlaS
11-21-2006, 11:02 PM
People like these exist in all countries. The attitude of one person shouldn't be perceived as how everyone in this country acts.

Very few people act like this. And I personally would not have done what was in that video. I don't hate anyone based on what country they are from.

And if you're wondering, yes people here do care about other countries. My brains not working right now lol but I can remember us raising money in school for victims of that big tsunami a while back.

Chill18
11-21-2006, 11:10 PM
If Americans think that this is funny, it's not. It's pitiful. I hope they die. How come they are not dead yet? The so called "soldiers" I mean

Fieren
11-21-2006, 11:16 PM
That sucked. A lot. **** man.. ****.

AthlaS
11-21-2006, 11:18 PM
If Americans think that this is funny, it's not. It's pitiful. I hope they die. How come they are not dead yet? The so called "soldiers" I mean

Oh one more point. Don't "generalize". -_-

definition: 1. to infer (a general principle, trend, etc.) from particular facts, statistics, or the like.
2. to infer or form (a general principle, opinion, conclusion, etc.) from only a few facts, examples, or the like.

Again, it's only those soldiers doing that. Not ALL americans think its funny. And not ALL americans should die. Just those assholes lol

Ganix
11-21-2006, 11:33 PM
We cared when the twin towers were hit.

And that was acts of hate from losers. As I said, you can never stop them.

Endless
11-22-2006, 12:18 AM
That was a very sad video, and I do think that the soldier knew what he was doing.

Katsu, if you have watched the video, I'm sure you'd also judge him.It does not matter that he has been put unto different situations, it does not mean its right. In the video you can here the soldier laughing, and saying things like "Hey kiddies, you want the water? Run after it...", and laughing when the see the kids struggling to get it.

Had you been the soldier, what would you have done?

It saddens me to see a video like this, but I think everyone needs to know just why others hate us. It's weird seeing people believe that America is the best country to live in, and everyone loves us.

Egama
11-22-2006, 12:43 AM
I found this video funny, and the last kid still did not get it awww lol :p

RidleyLoki
11-22-2006, 12:48 AM
I found this video funny, and the last kid still did not get it awww lol :p
I think I speak for everyone when I say "You're going to hell."

Egama
11-22-2006, 12:50 AM
Now time to see how many will flame me for not saying awwww the USA sucks, poor kid booohoooo.

nancy.<3's.you
11-22-2006, 12:53 AM
Again, children judging situations without facts to base their opinion on. Name one Iraqi that you know of that killed an innocent unarmed American citizen.

osama bin laden + those guys that hijacked da plane + those guys who kidnap the american tourists and cut their heads off on videotape

RidleyLoki
11-22-2006, 12:53 AM
Now time to see how many will flame me for not saying awwww the USA sucks, poor kid booohoooo.
I'm sure you'd be laughing at yourself if you were starving and thirsty and someone was flaunting some decent drinkable substance that won't poison you.

That video makes me feel so ungrateful that I don't drink much water.

*Legend*
11-22-2006, 01:00 AM
osama bin laden + those guys that hijacked da plane + those guys who kidnap the american tourists and cut their heads off on videotape

Osama Bin Laden isn't from Iraq. o-O
Neither are the hijackers. v_v

RidleyLoki
11-22-2006, 01:02 AM
Yeah, thoses were they were Afganistanians. If that's how you spell it. o_o

Egama
11-22-2006, 01:04 AM
I'm sure you'd be laughing at yourself if you were starving and thirsty and someone was flaunting some decent drinkable substance that won't poison you.

That video makes me feel so ungrateful that I don't drink much water.

Yea, but am not that kid, running from water. so no :)

zaku
11-22-2006, 01:06 AM
osama bin laden + those guys that hijacked da plane + those guys who kidnap the american tourists and cut their heads off on videotape


didnt they cut off news reporters heads? and it wasnt iraqis i dont think.

im not trying to pull a john kerry, but soldiers arent ALWAYS scholars, some of them are just teens that need money, or were forced into the army. they dont ALWAYS know whats right and wrong. (im not making a generalization for all troops, a lot of them are well educated and have manners)..

so please dont make generalizations of american people based on the behavior of troops

nancy.<3's.you
11-22-2006, 01:06 AM
water-nasty. i dont drink it unless there is nothing else to drink ex: coke, milk, juice, any other kind of soda

Raiyne
11-22-2006, 01:08 AM
But lets get down to the real point, you lot are flaming someone in a video you found on the INTERNET for a situation you did not witness in person or know the background to. On top of the fact that the person isn't here to defend themself. Now atleast in my opinion, that's dishonorable and cowardly. Seems like everyone thinks they're an expert on the situation and have the right to judge everyone else. Face it, the majority of you are children who really have no clue what you're talking about. So you really should learn not to speak before let along judge another person before you know the full situation.

Right right... and you know what he's going through?

Looksy here, people don't have the right to judge other people, but they still have opinions on what they see. These are our opinions. Based on you're logic, you're wrong for judging Fabian as stupid and idiotic.(Which is totally wrong)

Now time to see how many will flame me for not saying awwww the USA sucks, poor kid booohoooo.

Dude... you're going to hell.

Endless
11-22-2006, 01:17 AM
Yea, but am not that kid, running from water. so no :)
So, you don't feel a bit sad seeing these kids running for water? Nothing?

Egama
11-22-2006, 01:18 AM
Right right... and you know what he's going through?

Looksy here, people don't have the right to judge other people, but they still have opinions on what they see. These are our opinions. Based on you're logic, you're wrong for judging Fabian as stupid and idiotic.(Which is totally wrong)



Dude... you're going to hell.

Why are you judging me? Lol even though your wrong maby your going there?

Endless, why should i feel sorry, from some kid i dont even know? Not like there is no other place to get water.

RidleyLoki
11-22-2006, 01:25 AM
water-nasty. i dont drink it unless there is nothing else to drink ex: coke, milk, juice, any other kind of soda
Ditto. Are we related? How about we meet up some time? Maby we're soul mates. ;D


Anyway. Egama, it hurts my head just talking to you. You act like you diserve better than the kid, but since you don't shed any sympathy, you don't deserve anything. Get off the internet, go outside, and play in traffic on some highway. Maby you might grow up and understand what kind of pain that kid is growing through after a car hits you at 80 MPH.

Jabor_
11-22-2006, 01:26 AM
I found this video funny, and the last kid still did not get it awww lol :p

People like you are the other part of the reason people hate America.

Egama
11-22-2006, 01:28 AM
Fine, i will shed one very very VERY small sympathy for that kid, he should have got the water, am sure from all that running he would have loved every drop of it :) happy? Getting hit by cars is not what that feels like :P more like running 1 mile and not winning anything.

Jabor, am sorry am not like you other "people" who feel sorry from every sad thing i see.

Jabor_
11-22-2006, 01:35 AM
Now time to see how many will flame me for not saying awwww the USA sucks, poor kid booohoooo.

Now time to see if anyone else picks up on this blatant trolling.

RidleyLoki
11-22-2006, 01:46 AM
Fine, i will shed one very very VERY small sympathy for that kid, he should have got the water, am sure from all that running he would have loved every drop of it :) happy? Getting hit by cars is not what that feels like :P more like running 1 mile and not winning anything.

Jabor, am sorry am not like you other "people" who feel sorry from every sad thing i see.
Jabor is new to the forum, and yet he has more sense than Egama, who probally used all 500 and something of his post counts for trolling.

Welcome Jabor, unless you've been here and this is a new account.

Egama it's not like running a mile and winning nothing. It's like not eating and drinking for a week and running a mile and winning nothing. You tell me how it goes after you fast for a week and then run for a full meal and drink.

BoundByHonor
11-22-2006, 01:48 AM
Seems like everyone thinks they're an expert on the situation and have the right to judge everyone else. Face it, the majority of you are children who really have no clue what you're talking about

So much for not being judgamental.

It's obvious that the kid was harassing the soldier, hence his heartless actions. There's nothing more threatning than a small starving child that runs and begs for water.

Rishiko
11-22-2006, 02:00 AM
We all know they are going to hell ,good for them.It was just 2 guys its not like the whole army was back there laughing and stuff.Yes we all know that was mean,unkind and downright devilness but they going to hell so we shouldnt care about them.Dont hate America ,hate those 2 soldiers.:teeth:
(FYI im not American so dont say "stfup u just a redneck blah blah")

RidleyLoki
11-22-2006, 02:04 AM
You're right Rishiko. It's not just those Soldiers though. There are many horrible people in this world that diserve hate. Like some people in these forums, for example.

Rishiko
11-22-2006, 02:07 AM
Yeah its a shame of what this world has come to and this forum.I just hope reality slaps them in the face and sees wat ppl are going through these days.Hopefully they wont be so mean if that ever happens:smile:

FireStar
11-22-2006, 02:09 AM
Dont worry, Karma's a bitch.

BoomThunda
11-22-2006, 02:25 AM
I'm sure most of us here love mocking hungry and thirsty kids and making them chase after a vehicle for water.

I honestly would.

Egama
11-22-2006, 02:44 AM
Jabor is new to the forum, and yet he has more sense than Egama, who probally used all 500 and something of his post counts for trolling.

Welcome Jabor, unless you've been here and this is a new account.

Egama it's not like running a mile and winning nothing. It's like not eating and drinking for a week and running a mile and winning nothing. You tell me how it goes after you fast for a week and then run for a full meal and drink.

Ok i dont know what you mean by fast for a week so, yea:P You dont know if that kid eats, he could have ate and not drink anything, maby that is why he was running for water? Anyway i dont care if you call it trolling, only thing i really was trying to said was i dont give a shit about that kid running for water, unlike most of you, it was my opinion anyway . You did not have to post and say am going to hell.... troller same to you Jabor, only thing you did was join in the trolling, lol

Jabor_
11-22-2006, 02:56 AM
Jabor is new to the forum, and yet he has more sense than Egama, who probally used all 500 and something of his post counts for trolling.

Welcome Jabor, unless you've been here and this is a new account.


Why thankyou.

Egama:


Noun
fast (plural fasts)

1. the act or practice of abstaining from or eating very little food
2. the period of time when one abstains from or eats very little food

Xeep
11-22-2006, 03:00 AM
Tough...does that type of behavior make me mad? Yea, it does but I really, honestly doubt that most of the people that posted could give 2 shits about the kid or anyone else in a similar situation. But hey maybe you do and thats cool.

gigabit
11-22-2006, 03:01 AM
That video was pretty funny.

(I hate America)
[for the dense people, this post is a joke.]

Egama
11-22-2006, 03:03 AM
O that is what she/he means, i was thinking of other fast...you know the normal fast lol. Well if you mean by not eating than hmmmmmm, i cant because i would never be that poor :)

dralas
11-22-2006, 05:35 AM
...wow...but yet made me sink to see how a person could do that. that guy is a dirty bastard and deserves to be thrown out of that jeep to see what those kids think of him after that......

Reokushin
11-22-2006, 08:56 AM
So some guys where fucking with a little kid?

I think it's safe to say that that's NOT where hatred for america first spawned

SS4Gojeta
11-22-2006, 09:47 AM
wow that was just...sad...>.< if i ever see this in real i duno what id do..

Ramstien
11-22-2006, 09:54 AM
Ok i dont know what you mean by fast for a week so, yea:P You dont know if that kid eats, he could have ate and not drink anything, maby that is why he was running for water? Anyway i dont care if you call it trolling, only thing i really was trying to said was i dont give a shit about that kid running for water, unlike most of you, it was my opinion anyway . You did not have to post and say am going to hell.... troller same to you Jabor, only thing you did was join in the trolling, lol

Not very smart, are we?

Ravon
11-22-2006, 12:18 PM
Ooooh.. so all Americans are bad, have no moral education or whatsoever.

Just to let you know, not all Americans taunt little children, one mere action committed by a soldier does not mean all American have the same mindset as him, or act like him.

AthlaS
11-22-2006, 01:02 PM
Ooooh.. so all Americans are bad, have no moral education or whatsoever.

Just to let you know, not all Americans taunt little children, one mere action committed by a soldier does not mean all American have the same mindset as him, or act like him.

Exactly what I was trying to get at. Unfortunately everyone ignored my posts. -_-

Egama
11-22-2006, 01:12 PM
Not very smart, are we?

What? am not smart for not knowing one word or for saying i dont give a shit about that kid?

Ramstien
11-22-2006, 01:18 PM
I can tell the difference between "boy he ran fast" and "muslims fast during rammadan".

Egama
11-22-2006, 01:46 PM
Well good for you, unlike most people i dont use fast for hungry.

Jakuza
11-22-2006, 01:48 PM
Ooooh.. so all Americans are bad, have no moral education or whatsoever.

Just to let you know, not all Americans taunt little children, one mere action committed by a soldier does not mean all American have the same mindset as him, or act like him.

Thank you, Ravon.:look:

QWERTY
11-22-2006, 02:58 PM
Phew.. read all posts here and I have come to the conclusion that..

Egama is just a little kid and hasn't felt any pain before and will realise later how stupid he is. Hope you will feel some real pain Egama, that is what you deserve and need.

Oh yeah, I agree with all the people that are saying that we shouldn't judge America just by this soldier. Even though it does grows more hate against America. I mean if someone would see this without reading all the comments and opinions that person would definatly grow some hate.

Uskae
11-22-2006, 09:28 PM
Though it is pretty unfair, bad deeds almost always outshine good deeds. Though we definitely have some soldiers out in Iraq doing the right thing, assholes like this are obviously getting more publicity.

availer
11-22-2006, 09:37 PM
To me, it seems more like the US soldier is encouraging the Iraqi kid to run for the water ( Which is a good thing ), what I think we should be hating ; is'nt the US soldier, more like the older Iraqi boys.

You made my heart stop for a few seconds. The US soldier, who in my opinion should not be a soldier. Was laughing at the sight as 10 or so skinny kids run after the jeep for a bottle of 1 ltr water begging and shouting. Running after a jeep. The older Iraqi boys are thirsty they are in hunger. The US Soldiers threw the water there just to mock the little kids. This is one of the most explicit and heart breaking group of images I have seen in my life. It brings grave sorrow to my face. And people like you also destroy my hope in the human race. There is a reason to hate america. And there it is.

For the irrespectable numchucks who dont know why people fast in Islam:-
1-Fasting is an act of strength, inner strength.
2-Fasting shows you and makes you feel what the poor people feel so you have more sympathy.
3-Fasting prevents many stomache and intestinal or pancreas related diseases.
4-Fasting is not just for the poor.

Jabor_
11-22-2006, 09:51 PM
I mean if someone would see this without reading all the comments and opinions that person would definatly grow some hate.

If they were to read all the comments around it, they would probably grow even more hate when they find that a lot of the people think that it is acceptable behaviour.

Katsu
11-23-2006, 10:27 PM
Yes, my example was on the extreme side, but the point I was making still applies.

Simply taunting children, while is still stupid, is not the problem here.
It was taunting STARVING children with what they needed for survival.
And you know what? I CAN fucking judge this. That guy there is a US soldier. I am a US citizen that pays taxes.
The US soldiers work for the government, and the government works for the people of the US. They represent us as a country, and that was the representation that the people there saw. What you went through in the past means NOTHING to them and how they will shape their opinion of us.




We cared when the twin towers were hit.

Believe me, I completely feel where you're coming from, but you can't expect a great deal of maturity or remorse from a normal teenager, these forums are outright proof of it, hell, half of the replies in this thread are proof of that. Now you tack on the degree of fear and general hostility a soldier has to deal with on potentially a daily basis, and you have an EXTREMELY unstable individual. Also let's not forget that Saddam's army did far worse things to the Iraqi people, it's just they weren't all middle class american kids with digital cameras and camera phones to record it all.

Let me make something as clear as possible, I do not think what this kid did was right, nor do I think he should be a soldier, he clearly isn't mentally prepared for it. But let me also be clear on something else, in the grand scheme of things he is still a kid that made a mistake in a less than favorable situation, he doesn't deserve to be judged by anyone but himself and his god for it.

osama bin laden + those guys that hijacked da plane + those guys who kidnap the american tourists and cut their heads off on videotape

1: Osama Bin Laden is a Saudi not an Iraqi. (You're an adult and I know you've heard of google, you really shouldn't post if you can't clear up your facts first.)
2: Name these "guys that hijacked da plane" and "guys who kidnap American tourists and cut their heads off on video tape" and go ahead and throw up a list of Amercans they killed as well.

Pretty ignorant to say that don't you think? :)
Psychologically speaking, 'hostile environments' can not alter a person's behavior, only his way of processing things. Trust me, his job, nae a 'hostile environment' should not change his sense of morality; taunting a homeless, hungry, or obviously thirsty child for sick pleasures only signifies that his mindset is not strong enough. Someone who is mentally prepared or is morally justified would not do something like that for 'fun' no matter how hard their job is.

And just for the heck of it, by calling us 'assholes' you've indirectly judged us. By saying we have no right to judge him, and then continue on to judge us, you've basically made yourself look like a complete and total hypocrite...Have fun with that. :D

When you show me some proof that hostile environments don't in anyway alter a person's behavior, I'll consider that statement valid and respond to it. And on the point of judging you lot, I am judging people who are here and have the ability to defend themselves. But thanks for proving you either don't know the proper definition of hypocrite, or you're too dumb to read the entirety of the topic before replying.

That was a very sad video, and I do think that the soldier knew what he was doing.

Katsu, if you have watched the video, I'm sure you'd also judge him.It does not matter that he has been put unto different situations, it does not mean its right. In the video you can here the soldier laughing, and saying things like "Hey kiddies, you want the water? Run after it...", and laughing when the see the kids struggling to get it.

Had you been the soldier, what would you have done?

It saddens me to see a video like this, but I think everyone needs to know just why others hate us. It's weird seeing people believe that America is the best country to live in, and everyone loves us.

I have watched the video and I can honestly say I am not judging him. And though I'd like to say I would not react the same way (and I will say that it'd be highly unlikely), I've never been to Iraq, so unless I ever end up there, I can't in full honesty say I would not do exactly what he's done.

Right right... and you know what he's going through?

Looksy here, people don't have the right to judge other people, but they still have opinions on what they see. These are our opinions. Based on you're logic, you're wrong for judging Fabian as stupid and idiotic.(Which is totally wrong).

I did not in anyway say it was not right to judge situations you have personally witnessed and are involved in (umm... like this sitation maybe?). I stated and am stating that it's wrong to judge people and situations that you did not witness and have little or no knowledge about the background. So no, in my opinion, calling someone an dumbass for a situation that I fully witnessed myself and the person is here to defend themself and calling someone immoral for a situation they saw on youtube are not at all the same.