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Ha, a $100-$200 computer could be twice as fast as that easily.
Their whole "PS3 can load linux!" stick pretty much failed there.

yeah, a pentium 3 800 mhz can run final fantasy 13 and call of duty 3 and load up 50 gb blu ray disks

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the sony ps3's processor is unique from other processors therefor it will not run windows or linux as well as a normal computer processor can, the ps3 was never designed to run linux, the linux and windows are designed for normal computer processors and the ps3 does not have a normal processor and it isn't designed that way, i don't know how to explain this because it's a bit hard but yeah some may get or not get the point.

It's been determined that this is all because of software compatibility issues... PS3 has 7 processors, and Linux just can't detect all of them yet... just like it can't properly run the RSX, or the built-in Wi-Fi in the 60GB model.
In the future, they're intend to patch this, along with other issues that currently plague it.

But, even as is, people can already run all console emus on Linux, and some have managed to play Street Fighter Online/Quake 3 Arena.

yeah, a pentium 3 800 mhz can run final fantasy 13 and call of duty 3 and load up 50 gb blu ray disks

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the sony ps3's processor is unique from other processors therefor it will not run windows or linux as well as a normal computer processor can, the ps3 was never designed to run linux, the linux and windows are designed for normal computer processors and the ps3 does not have a normal processor and it isn't designed that way, i don't know how to explain this because it's a bit hard but yeah some may get or not get the point.

I never said anything against this.
I was saying that as a computer(loading linux on), the thing is useless.

I rember reading somewhere that the processors are wired differantly or something, making it more robust and cheap.

I thought it was clocked in at 3.2 Ghz? You're lying!

7 cores are kind of useless when you have less RAM than the competition. Assassin's Creed, for example, has better AI on the 360 version thanks to more available RAM.

7 cores are kind of useless when you have less RAM than the competition. Assassin's Creed, for example, has better AI on the 360 version thanks to more available RAM.

7 cores? They're just plain useless. Creating different cores for specific aspects was not needed. It only increases game performance by a small percentage, it's been brought to attention over and over again - the PS3 can't use it's processor's capabilities because everything is used specifically for one purpose, that's it. If each core could only use half that power, then the PS3 can only use half it's power.

Microsoft vs. SONY... Microsoft wins this year.

When did RAM affect AI performance? It depends on the developers programming and coding. Not RAMS? And btw, PS3 has 7 X SRAMS (256). SRAMs are much more better then normal DRAMs. But much more expensieve. =X

I've seen many posts concerning this, and they've pretty much all been debunked by people who actually know what they're talking about. To get the gist of it; PS3's processor is better than the 360, but harder to develop for- however, the 360 does have more RAM.

The PS3 is not useless, when it comes to running Linux. The primary purpose it's serving to gamers, is opening the gateway to Homebrew. That's what everyone is excited about. Yellow Dog officially supports the PS3, and it's been confirmed that they will continue to release firmware updates/Linux patches until the PS3 is able to optimally run the software, which may take some time.

And, Legend, as for stating that Microsoft will win because of this, I completely disagree. The Playstation 2, in terms of Hardware, was inferior to the Xbox. What it comes down to, is games. No one wants a console that doesn't have games, and people buy the one which hosts those that are to their liking. For example, I could have bought an Xbox-- but the only game that has ever interested me on the console is Fable, and I haven't seen anything in past years to change that. It all comes down to personal preference.

I've seen many posts concerning this, and they've pretty much all been debunked by people who actually know what they're talking about. To get the gist of it; PS3's processor is better than the 360, but harder to develop for- however, the 360 does have more RAM.

The PS3 is not useless, when it comes to running Linux. The primary purpose it's serving to gamers, is opening the gateway to Homebrew. That's what everyone is excited about. Yellow Dog officially supports the PS3, and it's been confirmed that they will continue to release firmware updates/Linux patches until the PS3 is able to optimally run the software, which may take some time.

And, Legend, as for stating that Microsoft will win because of this, I completely disagree. The Playstation 2, in terms of Hardware, was inferior to the Xbox. What it comes down to, is games. No one wants a console that doesn't have games, and people buy the one which hosts those that are to their liking. For example, I could have bought an Xbox-- but the only game that has ever interested me on the console is Fable, and I haven't seen anything in past years to change that. It all comes down to personal preference.

My statement concerning Microsoft and SONY was not a direct product of the whole 'processor' deal. That logic comes from the amount of games that was released at launch and current sales - not to mention the number of developers that delayed production because of SONY's pre-release screw ups and additions...Those same developers may lose interest in making complex games for the PS3.

Side-Note: Blu-Ray not needed. Resistance paves the road for the fate of the other games (they won't fill the disk and will need trash to push the count up). All it needs is an HDCD and the games would be fine...And the console would be cheaper... =)

My statement concerning Microsoft and SONY was not a direct product of the whole 'processor' deal. That logic comes from the amount of games that was released at launch and current sales - not to mention the number of developers that delayed production because of SONY's pre-release screw ups and additions...Those same developers may lose interest in making complex games for the PS3.

Side-Note: Blu-Ray not needed. Resistance paves the road for the fate of the other games (they won't fill the disk and will need trash to push the count up). All it needs is an HDCD and the games would be fine...And the console would be cheaper... =)

Well, it may not be needed now, but, in four years-- or maybe even earlier, it could very well become that way. It is true that, had they not implemented it, they would've had 1mil PS3's on market already, and the price would've been significantly lower...

You should know, though-- current sales, the PS3 is absolutely sold out. BluRay hardware just takes significantly longer to manufacture than the stuff that's in the Wii, this is why you're seeing Wiis topping off over a mil already. You're not actually going to be able to walk into a store and see a PS3 there, on shelves, for many months to come, and that's because they're constantly going to be sold out. So far, though, I'm not seeing any developers being deterred by the technology; they seem to be happy with it, because, to those that have developed for the PS2 in the past, it's in that same field... it's very similar. The Xbox/360 was always easier to develop for than the PS2/PS3, yet they stuck with it.

I personally think that the fanbase alone is going to pull the PS3 through... if just 10% of the consumers that purchased a Playstation 2, buy a PS3, they're already going to sell over 20mil units.
But that's not to say that all of the big franchises aren't there, in the next-gen, to assure this. Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, Armored Core, Zone of the Enders, God of War, Kingdom Hearts... as well as countless old franchises that were the reason people bought a PS2 in the first place... and don't forget the new stuff coming out, like LAIR, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, White Knight Story... a part of which is being developed by companies that brought you great existing games on the PS2, like Dark Cloud. PS3's still got a bright future, despite a very rough start.

But, still, I'm not dissing the 360. It's definitely doing much better than the original box, and Gears of War is a testament to that. That game is, graphically, the best thing out right now, anywhere.
It's going to be a much more serious contender.

whoa i learned more from Aru then i have learned all year at my wackazz skewl
ps3 ftw

PS3 vs standard dell running Windows 98, who'd win?

PS3 vs standard dell running Windows 98, who'd win?

Well, PS3 doesn't run Windows...

I rember reading somewhere that the processors are wired differantly or something, making it more robust and cheap.

I thought it was clocked in at 3.2 Ghz? You're lying!
Yea, it's a PPC chip at 3.2 GHz. Different architect, different results. The clock speed does not tell you how fast the CPU is. Thats just a myth started and fueled by intel.

When did RAM affect AI performance? It depends on the developers programming and coding. Not RAMS? And btw, PS3 has 7 X SRAMS (256). SRAMs are much more better then normal DRAMs. But much more expensieve. =X
no, the PS3 has 7 cores, and a total of 256MB of RAM for the cores to use. And RAM effects AI performance because thats how much data it can store and use. The more data it can store and use, the bigger of a set of commands the AI can use, the better the AI is.

Well, PS3 doesn't run Windows...
And it never will run windows natively. Ever.
The PS3 uses a PPC chip, the same type of chip that was originally on the Macs, before they started using intel.
Those have been around BEFORE microsoft was even founded, and they were never able to get windows to run off of it, what makes anyone think that it will run off it now?

And it never will run windows natively. Ever.
The PS3 uses a PPC chip, the same type of chip that was originally on the Macs, before they started using intel.
Those have been around BEFORE microsoft was even founded, and they were never able to get windows to run off of it, what makes anyone think that it will run off it now?

Not natively, but people have gotten XP to run on it.
Suffice to say it ran like shit. >_>

I have no idea why I'm mentioning this, though.

Not natively, but people have gotten XP to run on it.
Suffice to say it ran like shit. >_>

I have no idea why I'm mentioning this, though.
Yea, thats through linux emulation to emulate a x86 chip.
Using Linux emulation, you can run windows on ANYTHING that Linux can run on(basicly everything)
But thats running two operating systems at once, and on a PS3, it's just compleatly useless and pointless.

Well, it may not be needed now, but, in four years-- or maybe even earlier, it could very well become that way. It is true that, had they not implemented it, they would've had 1mil PS3's on market already, and the price would've been significantly lower...

You should know, though-- current sales, the PS3 is absolutely sold out. BluRay hardware just takes significantly longer to manufacture than the stuff that's in the Wii, this is why you're seeing Wiis topping off over a mil already. You're not actually going to be able to walk into a store and see a PS3 there, on shelves, for many months to come, and that's because they're constantly going to be sold out. So far, though, I'm not seeing any developers being deterred by the technology; they seem to be happy with it, because, to those that have developed for the PS2 in the past, it's in that same field... it's very similar. The Xbox/360 was always easier to develop for than the PS2/PS3, yet they stuck with it.

I personally think that the fanbase alone is going to pull the PS3 through... if just 10% of the consumers that purchased a Playstation 2, buy a PS3, they're already going to sell over 20mil units.
But that's not to say that all of the big franchises aren't there, in the next-gen, to assure this. Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, Armored Core, Zone of the Enders, God of War, Kingdom Hearts... as well as countless old franchises that were the reason people bought a PS2 in the first place... and don't forget the new stuff coming out, like LAIR, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, White Knight Story... a part of which is being developed by companies that brought you great existing games on the PS2, like Dark Cloud. PS3's still got a bright future, despite a very rough start.

But, still, I'm not dissing the 360. It's definitely doing much better than the original box, and Gears of War is a testament to that. That game is, graphically, the best thing out right now, anywhere.
It's going to be a much more serious contender.

I heard they were thinking about bringing metal gear solid over to the 360. If so the ps3 loses.

that thing be for hot games, and they probably slapped on some uber bulky OS like fedora with kde or something and expected it to run nice and smooth. crazy germans. my ps2 run's debian in console mode smooth as hell, i'm sure there just being all faggoty about it because it wont run there lastest 3D display manager all nice and smoothly.

Yea, it's a PPC chip at 3.2 GHz. Different architect, different results. The clock speed does not tell you how fast the CPU is. Thats just a myth started and fueled by intel.


no, the PS3 has 7 cores, and a total of 256MB of RAM for the cores to use. And RAM effects AI performance because thats how much data it can store and use. The more data it can store and use, the bigger of a set of commands the AI can use, the better the AI is.


And it never will run windows natively. Ever.
The PS3 uses a PPC chip, the same type of chip that was originally on the Macs, before they started using intel.
Those have been around BEFORE microsoft was even founded, and they were never able to get windows to run off of it, what makes anyone think that it will run off it now?

Don't worry, we all know Legend has no idea what he is talking about in any kind of argument including (especially) consle wars. xD
Hes better off just shutting up.



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7 cores are kind of useless when you have less RAM than the competition. Assassin's Creed, for example, has better AI on the 360 version thanks to more available RAM.
it was already dicussed byt the developers that it was a miss interpretation, and the 360's AI will not be "better/smarter" then the ps3's, but are adding extra goodies for the ps3 edition.

you just can't compare a ps3 to a computer like that, you just can't their two completely different builds, the ps3 wasn't designed to run windows and linux, it's meant to play games and movies by running bluray and dvd, sony never said that ps3 was designed to run different os's

I heard they were thinking about bringing metal gear solid over to the 360. If so the ps3 loses.

Nah, just a rumor. Too lazy to find a link, but it's been debunked too.
Though, even if it did go to the 360, it wouldn't make the PS3 lose. That's just fanboy logic.

Isn't Square Enix working on a game for the 360? Not that it would topple a franchise like Final Fantasy, but still...

Isn't Square Enix working on a game for the 360? Not that it would topple a franchise like Final Fantasy, but still...

Yeps. I think they were signed to make 3 or 4 games for the 360. And I think that the FFXI port was part of that deal. But, the main, numbered, Final Fantasy series (FFXI was an MMORPG), is staying PS3 exclusive at this point. Other games coming out for 360 are also supposedly not FF-related, from what I hear, but, I'm not sure.

you just can't compare a ps3 to a computer like that, you just can't their two completely different builds, the ps3 wasn't designed to run windows and linux, it's meant to play games and movies by running bluray and dvd, sony never said that ps3 was designed to run different os's
Actually, thats where you were wrong. That was their major advertising point to the geeks, that it could run Linux.