heres a redux of the orginal post hopefulyl it will become a sticky this time.
Includes a table of contents now 0_0 :eek:
Use Ctrl-f (cmd-f on macs) to jump to a section
-----Table of Contents-------------
1.)Reading the Tab Menu Ping section
2.)Normal Ping?
3.)Lag Armor and Lag Attacks
4.)Final Section Fixing and Avoiding Lagg
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-------------------- 1.)Reading the Tab Menu Ping section---------------
This is how ping/pong works
in gunz you are connected not only to the game server but to other people's PCs.
ok heres an example of basic tab menu:

Durungov's Tab Menu
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001 Deathmatch
Game example Time:30:00
Name------------------ Exp-----Kills------Deaths----Ping
Lv.42-Durungov---------10000----5--------200------0
Lv.60-AznkstyleMacro--99999----200-------5-------100
Lv.8-Pingjerk-------------0-------0--------0-------0
Lv8---Lager---------------0-------0-------0------999
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Ok if you been doing your studying you can see 2 errors

alright whats Durungov's ping guys??


If you said zero then you are tottally ping dumb or just new to it.
Durungov has 3 different pings because he is connected to 3 different players

ok Durungov says he thinks he laggy, so he checks the board
now he sees AznkstyleMacro has 100 ping<----- THAT PING NUMBER IS ALSO DURUNGOV'S!! so to put it simpler

WHAT U SEE IS WHAT U GET

so AznkstyleMacro and Durungov will see each other as 100 ping this number will never always be exact because there are different variables.

ok now who is the Laggy person?
if you said Lager then u are nearly right but the fully correct answer is
Pingjerk
this is because pingjerk has 0 ping, this allows him to play and actively get involved with other players.

NOTE 1:
THIS DOESNT MEAN HE SHOWS UP AS 0 PING TO EVERYONE
NO ONE SHOWS UP AS THE EXACT SAME PING FOR EVERY PLAYER.

NOTE 2: Other People Might see his ping as in the 1000s+
and others wont be able to see him on screen or damage him at all!
NO MATTER HOW MUCH DIRECTION U GIVE EACH OTHER

ok now the person who gives the most trouble in TDM or TG is Lager
because this person has 999 ping this means he connects TO NO ONE BUT THE GAME SERVER. on his screen he sees everyone as 999 ping.
and everyone who sees this person with the dissconnect symbol over his/her head. They also can't communicate with said person.

--------------------- 2.)Normal Ping?---------------------------------
ok guys listen and listen good
Normal pings range from

30-150 but less than 200

now some of you idiots and i mean idiots cause the same people who says anything over 100 is bad ping are also the jerk offs in the game world.
the only way pings will be less than 100 is if the person u are connecting with is in the same area as you depending on its size.
example
Jimmy and Johnny live in England
Jimmy and Johnny's ping will be less than 100 most of the time

example 2
Zuaghfei and Lei-bu live in China
Zuaghfei lives near the Forbidden City
Lei-bu lives near Bejing/Peking
Zuagfei ping and Lei-Bu's ping will mostly be in the 100- low 150s

this is because the size of china is WAY bigger than jolly ole england
connection speeds get interfered with over longer distances.

so basically the closer you are to someone the more enjoyable the connection speed is.
--------------------------- 3.)Lag Armor and Lag Attacks------------------

There are certian places where you counter people like this its not the same for every country but anyway heres an example that can explain it.

I for one dislike playing with South American and mostly Brazilian Players.
No this isnt a race thing or an nationalistic thing this is because I Live in the Us- New York City to be more exact.

now even though we are in the same hemipsherical area we lagg each other South Americans from Brazil down give me over 200 ping, hence we lagg to each other.

This is called DISTANCE LAGG
now you wonder why?

basically there is too much interference from new york city down to Brazil.
this is mostly do to the difference in technology. now the best thing to do in a situation like this is just to leave the room. if you dun want to
Avoid the fricken player and if u can't u got to time your shots
if you shoot the lagged player it will come up as hit on your screen instantly but on the player's screen he wont take damage until 30 seconds later (international interference time is basically 30 to 50 seconds).

---------------- 4.)Final Section Fixing and Avoiding Lagg-------------------
There is no true fix for distance lagg but for the normal lagg basically

1.)DONT RUN ANYTHING DURING GUNZ!
Ex: p2p programs and music players cause lagg armor
Messenger services causes your ping to jump up and down

pop ups causes you to freeze and tricks the game into thinking you are in the options screen (when u are in the options screen for a while gunz reads u as idle and you take damage for a set amount of time)

2.) Make sure your firewall allows GUNZ,GUNZLAUCHER,XTRAP, (AND Xpatch) <--- just to be safe

3.) If you are using Aim Triton or Using Logitech hardware Or Using MusicMatch Jukebox open up your
Task manager (alt+ctrl+delete) on mac i believe its cmd+shift+delete (i dun remember its been a while)
once the task manager is open end task on the following names:

aolsoftware
Logitechmessenger
Mim
MusicMatch (<--might not be there but has a similar name)
mimdial(same as above)

its safe to close these programs because it doesnt "break" the program or destroy them and they load back up when u restart your computer or open the program.
The reasoning for closing these is because they cause program related pop-ups.
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ok thats all
again please make this a STICKY because too much people are getting mad for the wrong reasons.
Not to much the hackerphobia many people have where they scream HACKER HACKER when a person freezes mid air.

Well I like to run music so the best lagfree music player IMO is Winamp. It's a lot better than Windows Media Player or iTunes in terms of lagfreeness.

i tunes isnt bad and media player is a iffy catergory because it automatically connects itself to the internet when it detects your online. while its online it scans for new info for song or updates licenses

you guys really should make this a sticky. too many people are running around trying to look at their name and read ping and too many others think u cant find your own ping

Eh. I read something on GunzFactor that

EAch 100 ping = 1 more head ahead of the player you shoot.

i've seen people in game try that and I have tried it too but in some cases its just usless when the lagg is horride

i've seen people in game try that and I have tried it too but in some cases its just usless when the lagg is horride

True... just spray near the lagger.

I think someone already said this but shoot laggers in the legs--- works for me

Gah my brain hurts!

basically there is too much interference from new york city down to Brazil.
this is mostly do to the difference in technology. now the best thing to do in a situation like this is just to leave the room. if you dun want to
Avoid the fricken player and if u can't u got to time your shots
if you shoot the lagged player it will come up as hit on your screen instantly but on the player's screen he wont take damage until 30 seconds later (international interference time is basically 30 to 50 seconds).

that part is slighty wrong. when you say the person lags and if it makes a hit sound on your computer, it doesn't mean you necessarily hit them. remember if the person has 100 ping, thats almost the equivalent of 1 second time of lag. so where you see the person, that means hes actually 1 second ahead of where you actually see him. thats' when you have to lead, but most of you already knew that. but remember since you're seeing the person 1 second behind, he is also seeing you 1 second behind, so when you actually shoot at him, he sees you firing at him 1 second later.

for you who haven't the slightest idea by what i mean, let me set up a skit:

::From your point of view::

m4rissa has 100 ping

you want some bounty and you dislike her, so you take out your smg's and spray that at that skank.

but when she sees you she decides to run from you to your right.

you shoot right for the body (because you do not know what leading means)

it shows a 20 hit combo

she lives and you're sad you wasted a round of ammo

::from m4rissa's point of view::

m4rissa sees that fag that stalks her all the time (you)

m4rissa starts to run towards his right side

that fag starts shooting at you, but misses kuz all the bullets are going behind her as she's running

she's happy and thinks you suck at aiming
---the end---

LMAO shadeofpower, i should put that as one of the common excuses lol.

Hmmmm wouldnt be easier just to ask ppl in the game "whats my ping"

Hmmmm wouldnt be easier just to ask ppl in the game "whats my ping"

No because you will get 5-10 different answers because your ping is different to everybody. plus the the time you waste asking someone what your ping , you could be getting Tked or cursed at for talking on the battlefield.

so "it way better to learn to fish than have someone give you a fish"

true but you can also got to a private game with someone

001 Deathmatch
Game example Time:30:00
Name------------------ Exp-----Kills------Deaths----Ping
Lv.42-Durungov---------10000----5--------200------0
Lv.60-AznkstyleMacro--99999----200-------5-------100
Lv.8-Pingjerk-------------0-------0--------0-------0
Lv8---Lager---------------0-------0-------0------999
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok if you been doing your studying you can see 2 errors

alright whats Durungov's ping guys??


If you said zero then you are tottally ping dumb or just new to it.
Durungov has 3 different pings because he is connected to 3 different players

ok Durungov says he thinks he laggy, so he checks the board
now he sees AznkstyleMacro has 100 ping<----- THAT PING NUMBER IS ALSO DURUNGOV'S!! so to put it simpler

WHAT U SEE IS WHAT U GET
Why does only aznkstylemacro count? What happened to the other two players, why aren't either of their pings the same as dungorov's? And I thought your ping is the same as someone else's you see, but only relative to eachother. Like to Aznkstylemacro, Dungarov's ping would read 100, but to Lager, his ping would read 999. And if everybody's ping is high, that means that you are the one that's lagging. Dungorov's ping is not 100, it is only viewed as 100 by Aznkstylemacro. To Lager, Dungorov is 999, and to pingjerk he is around 0-1000.

true but you can also got to a private game with someone

now if I just posted that your ping will be different depending on each player, going to a private game will only show you the ping relative to the player you are with.... as soon as you go to a different game your ping is going to change.

Why does only aznkstylemacro count? What happened to the other two players, why aren't either of their pings the same as dungorov's? And I thought your ping is the same as someone else's you see, but only relative to eachother. Like to Aznkstylemacro, Dungarov's ping would read 100, but to Lager, his ping would read 999. And if everybody's ping is high, that means that you are the one that's lagging. Dungorov's ping is not 100, it is only viewed as 100 by Aznkstylemacro. To Lager, Dungorov is 999, and to pingjerk he is around 0-1000.

I think you need to re-read what I wrote. The mock window I created is viewed through Durungov's Tab screen and I explained the other's ping in my guide please FULLY re-read the guide..

I did fully read it... I know that it's viewed through dungarov's tab screen. But you said that Dungarov's ping is 100 because Aznkstyle's is 100:

ok Durungov says he thinks he laggy, so he checks the board
now he sees AznkstyleMacro has 100 ping<----- THAT PING NUMBER IS ALSO DURUNGOV'S!! so to put it simpler

WHAT U SEE IS WHAT U GET
Which doesn't make sense, because a person's ping is the same as someone else's that person sees, but only relative to eachother. So his ping is not 100, it's only 100 to Aznkystyle... To lager it would be 999.

I did fully read it... I know that it's viewed through dungarov's tab screen. But you said that Dungarov's ping is 100 because Aznkstyle's is 100:


Which doesn't make sense, because a person's ping is the same as someone else's that person sees, but only relative to eachother. So his ping is not 100, it's only 100 to Aznkystyle... To lager it would be 999.

I have stated that in my guide already :/........


Durungov has 3 different pings because he is connected to 3 different players

ok Durungov says he thinks he laggy, so he checks the board
now he sees AznkstyleMacro has 100 ping<----- THAT PING NUMBER IS ALSO DURUNGOV'S!! so to put it simpler

WHAT U SEE IS WHAT U GET

so AznkstyleMacro and Durungov will see each other as 100 ping this number will never always be exact because there are different variables.
........
NOTE 1:
THIS DOESNT MEAN HE SHOWS UP AS 0 PING TO EVERYONE
NO ONE SHOWS UP AS THE EXACT SAME PING FOR EVERY PLAYER.

The only minor correction i should ptu at this moment is that no player shows up as the same ping unless its 999 (Agent Error) this happens in more than 90% of Agent errors

Some People Use High Ping In Deathmatch To Lvl...

I Havnt done tht...Yet :D

Lol =]

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Well I like to run music so the best lagfree music player IMO is Winamp. It's a lot better than Windows Media Player or iTunes in terms of lagfreeness.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ very true especialy with games like Planetside

Yay I finally know what everything means! :p

lol didnt take me long to understand, i already know how ping works :)

yea once youve been playing sicne it came out like me

lol ihavent played for that long but i have been playing a very long time, longer than most people think...

since it came out? i played gunz way back when it was 2D

for me i think ive been playing a bit over a year :hmm: not to sure could be aprouching 2 years, could be just barely into 1 i lose track of time easily XD but w/e you get the idea, i doubt you could tell just by my skill alone how long ive played.

well 2.5 yrs for me

hmm... yeh im pretty sure for me its almost 2 years...