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alright, it seems every mech series is taking ALOTof ideas from Neon Genesis... i mean just look at the gundam one. Eureka 7 just reminds me of a nice version of neon genesis.

yeahh when there like transforming it looks alike lol

if you ask me people need to be more original when coming up with stories
i mean look up the story lines to these two.

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chobits --> dears

if you ask me people need to be more original when coming up with stories
i mean look up the story lines to these two.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u133/korutawa_myoko/047.jpg-->http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u57/Wolf-059/2figures.jpg
chobits --> dears

Yeah I dont understand this. The transforming part is used alot, evangalion isnt an exlusive, and for the chobs and dears, the story lines are nothing the same, they thought of bots in love are a genre, and for chobs- theres a lost bot who's actually some legend to twins and is found in garbage without some chip.

Dears is about free service of bots and some other stuff bla bla

correct me if im wrong

Wrong, you nut job. Most, if not all Mecha based animes were inspired by the original Gundam series. If anything, NGE is taking from Gundam, and evolving the mechs in such a way that they become biomechanical. Same with E7.

Also, NGE is not God's Holy Grail of all animes. There are better shows. So please, show interest in something else once in a while. :-/

Also, NGE is not God's Holy Grail of all animes. There are better shows. So please, show interest in something else once in a while. :-/

Not in my book... but that's a matter of opinion.

The thing that makes NGE different is that it's NOT just another giant robot series, though it may look that way at first. From like, episode 17 and up, the episodes start to take a form much different then in your typical Gundam show.

In the words of both the directors of Evangelion and Gundam (Loosely), Gundam was never meant to be anything more then a show made to up the sales of robot toys, while Hideaki Anno had a story and vision (of sorts... Ahem) right from the start.

So no, I don't think they all copying each other, they are just different branches of the same tree. Any fan of Anime must learn to deal with such things, since complete and total originality these says is quite impossible with so much stuff already thought up.

Yeah I dont understand this. The transforming part is used alot, evangalion isnt an exlusive, and for the chobs and dears, the story lines are nothing the same, they thought of bots in love are a genre, and for chobs- theres a lost bot who's actually some legend to twins and is found in garbage without some chip.

Dears is about free service of bots and some other stuff bla bla

correct me if im wrong
you be wrong!
short version spoilers*

in dears theres a lost alien who the dude finds and take her back to his apartment, she doesnt know how to talk or function. Later on the dude starts to fall in love with the alien. at the end the dude ends up with the alien

in chobits theres a dude who finds a discarded robot, or persocom, and brings her back to his apartment, she doesnt know how to talk or function. later on the dude starts to fall in love with the robot. At the end the dude ends up with the robot.

oh yeah, and ren (the alien) is known as "the gate"
and chi is a chobit.
so that also means they are both special and the stories to those two things are similar. i dont want to spoil those though.

Wrong, you nut job. Most, if not all Mecha based animes were inspired by the original Gundam series. If anything, NGE is taking from Gundam, and evolving the mechs in such a way that they become biomechanical. Same with E7.

both chi and ren have to do whatever the dudes say.

Also, NGE is not God's Holy Grail of all animes. There are better shows. So please, show interest in something else once in a while. :-/

1)oh, i see, alright.
2) i show interest in ALOT of animes... dn angel... dears... chobits... air g-, no i hated that one... tsubasa... Origin... green legend ran... gundam seed... rurouni kenshin, and alot more.
3)YES IT IS THE HOLY GRAIL! lol.

you be wrong!
short version spoilers*

in dears theres a lost alien who the dude finds and take her back to his apartment, she doesnt know how to talk or function. Later on the dude starts to fall in love with the alien. at the end the dude ends up with the alien

in chobits theres a dude who finds a discarded robot, or persocom, and brings her back to his apartment, she doesnt know how to talk or function. later on the dude starts to fall in love with the robot. At the end the dude ends up with the robot.

oh yeah, and ren (the alien) is known as "the gate"
and chi is a chobit.
so that also means they are both special and the stories to those two things are similar. i dont want to spoil those though.



1)oh, i see, alright.
2) i show interest in ALOT of animes... dn angel... dears... chobits... air g-, no i hated that one... tsubasa... Origin... green legend ran... gundam seed... rurouni kenshin, and alot more.
3)YES IT IS THE HOLY GRAIL! lol.


Yeah i dont see the similarity, aliens and bots, theres lots of anime with taking someone home, just cant remember names. storyline is different to.

Not in my book... but that's a matter of opinion.

The thing that makes NGE different is that it's NOT just another giant robot series, though it may look that way at first. From like, episode 17 and up, the episodes start to take a form much different then in your typical Gundam show.

In the words of both the directors of Evangelion and Gundam (Loosely), Gundam was never meant to be anything more then a show made to up the sales of robot toys, while Hideaki Anno had a story and vision (of sorts... Ahem) right from the start.

So no, I don't think they all copying each other, they are just different branches of the same tree. Any fan of Anime must learn to deal with such things, since complete and total originality these says is quite impossible with so much stuff already thought up.

Exactly... its all a matter of opinion. I for one really dislike NGE and never want to watch it again as long as I live.

Gundam was really the beginning of all mecha, that I agree with. Now as for E7 compying off of NGE? Probably coinsidence. You really thing the director watched NGE and said "OOO COOL" Somehow I think it just happened to look the same. It's not like everything everyone does is on purpose.

To be honest I hated NGE I really had to force myself to watch each episode, and Gainax seem to really like to milk this story. I mean how many alternative versions and recaps and that do you need? So I wouldn't call it a "Holy Grail" of anime, though I did like the way 庵野秀明(Anno Hideaki) conveyed the psychological aspects in the series. Anyway if you look at all storys and plots and such, all storys are based in small ways on one and another(I.e Religion how all books have bits similar to other holy books)

To be honest I hated NGE I really had to force myself to watch each episode, and Gainax seem to really like to milk this story. I mean how many alternative versions and recaps and that do you need? So I wouldn't call it a "Holy Grail" of anime, though I did like the way 庵野秀明(Anno Hideaki) conveyed the psychological aspects in the series. Anyway if you look at all storys and plots and such, all storys are based in small ways on one and another(I.e Religion how all books have bits similar to other holy books)

Thats like..nowhere..near the topic but liking or disliking NGE is a matter of opinion.

Eureka 7 can do whatever they want, as long as they keep showing scantily clad scenes of Yūki.

@TheReqiem: You haven't been on MSN in like 5 days. D:

Eureka 7 can do whatever they want, as long as they keep showing scantily clad scenes of Yūki.

@TheReqiem: You haven't been on MSN in like 5 days. D:

Ahaha...Too bad she gets pregnant, cuts her hair and wears a bodysuit later.

On another note, Anemone and Dominic have a daughter, and Renton and Eureka have a son (who has wings).

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2531/imageoutmq6.jpg

Ahaha...Too bad she gets pregnant, cuts her hair and wears a bodysuit later.

On another note, Anemone and Dominic have a daughter, and Renton and Eureka have a son (who has wings).

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2531/imageoutmq6.jpg

Where did you hear that, in the manga?

Where did you hear that, in the manga?

Yeah, in the last chapter Anemone is supposed to give birth. Also, that's official art.

Yeah I dont understand this. The transforming part is used alot, evangalion isnt an exlusive, and for the chobs and dears, the story lines are nothing the same, they thought of bots in love are a genre, and for chobs- theres a lost bot who's actually some legend to twins and is found in garbage without some chip.

Dears is about free service of bots and some other stuff bla bla

correct me if im wrong
hmmm good point....take in fact tah both are drawn by the same group

I hate both with a burning passion...chobits??? DearS???? *shiver*

Wrong, you nut job. Most, if not all Mecha based animes were inspired by the original Gundam series. If anything, NGE is taking from Gundam, and evolving the mechs in such a way that they become biomechanical. Same with E7.

Also, NGE is not God's Holy Grail of all animes. There are better shows. So please, show interest in something else once in a while. :-/

Indeed, at the least the creator of gundam had the right mind to not screw up the ending and go emo!
Gundam was better because the main character was more easy to relate to...sorta like spider man

that Shin dude??? not so easy....he's always depressed and thinks way too much for a 14 year old, there fore he is not that much easy to relate to...sorta like.....Dr. Strange (if you don't know this comic book hero google it pls)

we all know Spider man pwn Dr. Strange because Spiderman was more human, he had a rainbow of emotions aside from "i screwed this up", or "i'm sorry about this" or "life is unfair" and crap like that.
therefore

Hero, Kira Yamato, whoever u like to pick and their mechs are most likely going to be more original and favored than EVA


cus mechs don't bleed blood.....they bleed oil

Yeah, in the last chapter Anemone is supposed to give birth. Also, that's official art.

Hmm, are they going to continue the manga thorugh the anime? i heard about it theyre going to do it next year.

@ Jebus- you seem pretty imformed i never knew they were drawn by the same group lol

hmmm good point....take in fact tah both are drawn by the same group

I hate both with a burning passion...chobits??? DearS???? *shiver*



Indeed, at the least the creator of gundam had the right mind to not screw up the ending and go emo!
Gundam was better because the main character was more easy to relate to...sorta like spider man

that Shin dude??? not so easy....he's always depressed and thinks way too much for a 14 year old, there fore he is not that much easy to relate to...sorta like.....Dr. Strange (if you don't know this comic book hero google it pls)

we all know Spider man pwn Dr. Strange because Spiderman was more human, he had a rainbow of emotions aside from "i screwed this up", or "i'm sorry about this" or "life is unfair" and crap like that.
therefore

Hero, Kira Yamato, whoever u like to pick and their mechs are most likely going to be more original and favored than EVA


cus mechs don't bleed blood.....they bleed oil

Lol. They aren't even mechs. They're creatures that move with controlled electrical signals. Just like the LFOs in E7.

Gundam has been around for decades and like someone said earlier is the primary basis for all other giant robot tripe. I for one think that NGE is way overrated,I sometimes refer to it as the FF7 of anime, all hype and no true essence. I remember the first time I saw NGE and i thought"this is what everyone has been raving about?". But opinion is just opinion, I have been watching anime and reading manga since 1985 so I have seen my fair share of stuff over the years and seen many a cruddy anime, and NGE is Gainax's worst work so far. The Wings of Honeammise,Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi, and FLCL are far better works of Gainax and have a deep meaning as well.

Gundam has been around for decades and like someone said earlier is the primary basis for all other giant robot tripe. I for one think that NGE is way overrated,I sometimes refer to it as the FF7 of anime, all hype and no true essence. I remember the first time I saw NGE and i thought"this is what everyone has been raving about?". But opinion is just opinion, I have been watching anime and reading manga since 1985 so I have seen my fair share of stuff over the years and seen many a cruddy anime, and NGE is Gainax's worst work so far. The Wings of Honeammise,Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi, and FLCL are far better works of Gainax and have a deep meaning as well.

Umm I just want you to know that NGE wasnt completely mecha-biased.
Its more phychological than mecha.

Umm I just want you to know that NGE wasnt completely mecha-biased.
Its more phychological than mecha.
That statement is false. Dude.

That statement is false. Dude.

Oh please you never seen this anime. Nor have you seen as many anime's as close to me.

Oh please you never seen this anime. Nor have you seen as many anime's as close to me.
Hey... I just finished watching Samurai Champloo. So that's uhh...one. The last episode pissed me off...I swear Jin died at least 5 times in that episode, and Mugen died like 2 times. WTF :teeth:

Hey... I just finished watching Samurai Champloo. So that's uhh...one. The last episode pissed me off...I swear Jin died at least 5 times in that episode, and Mugen died like 2 times. WTF :teeth:

Cats have 9 fucking lives. DONT YOU UNDERSTAND,
THIS IS SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS.

One of the main problems is that, when most people sit down to watch NGE, they figure it's going to be another Mecha anime, and when they realize thats not what it is, they get disappointed and never really try to watch the rest, they just gloss it over and declare it sucks.

Whatever, NGE doesn't need to be loved to be great.

One of the reasons NGE is "popular" is because no one seems to be truly able to understand it and so, it remains as one of those "mysteries". No one truly knows what the creators were thinking when they made NGE.

NGE is meant to be something that makes you think and think over and over until your mind hurts. And so, for all those small-minded people, they usually don't like it since they were expecting alot of action, and main character destroying everything but they get something totally unexpected.

Also, the storyline was kind of slow in away with too much unneccesary scenes but some may say those are what made NGE "unique". NGE isn't one of those "super-great" animes or "super-amazing" animes but more of a "super-unique" anime.

Note: It is true that NGE is more physiological based than mech based. I'd say about 1/3 of the anime (no, maybe 1/4?) of the anime is mech/action based, another 1/3 based on everyday life, and the remaining on random mind screwing content.

It's psycological more than mecha? Not really, they just gave some weird religious overtones to try to separate it from the other couple of hundred mecha animes that exist. and it was'nt that in depth either.You wanna talk psyco stuff go watch A Wind Named Amnesia, Perfect Blue,Paranoia Agent. All of those are more in depth psyco wise, even FLCL is, it's about the intracacies of thinking and using the left side of your brain, also Hara's VEspa scooter can only be ridden by someone who is ambidextrous. Throwing religion into a story to make it seem more in depth is lame, and that is where NGE phails, but lets see where it wins.

1) cute girls in skimpy outfits? check
2) giant robot battles destroying cities? check
3) effeminate whiny boy child surrounded by hot girls? check
4) enough different mechs to milk a toy and gachapon frenzy for years after it's release?check.
5) a strange plot device, in this case religion, to give the fanboys a soapbox to stand and preach on to defend why this anime is so much better than most. mega check.

It's psycological more than mecha? Not really, they just gave some weird religious overtones to try to separate it from the other couple of hundred mecha animes that exist. and it was'nt that in depth either.You wanna talk psyco stuff go watch A Wind Named Amnesia, Perfect Blue,Paranoia Agent. All of those are more in depth psyco wise, even FLCL is, it's about the intracacies of thinking and using the left side of your brain, also Hara's VEspa scooter can only be ridden by someone who is ambidextrous. Throwing religion into a story to make it seem more in depth is lame, and that is where NGE phails, but lets see where it wins.

1) cute girls in skimpy outfits? check
2) giant robot battles destroying cities? check
3) effeminate whiny boy child surrounded by hot girls? check
4) enough different mechs to milk a toy and gachapon frenzy for years after it's release?check.
5) a strange plot device, in this case religion, to give the fanboys a soapbox to stand and preach on to defend why this anime is so much better than most. mega check.

Where's FabianN when you need him? He loves NGE.

I read alot about NGE before actually watching it, there were alot of discussions on in and it wasn't only about religion. Its more of symbolism and just lots of references, like this is a reference to psychology.


The id, superego, and ego system. The id, superego, and ego system was created by Freud. It is based on the idea that there at 3 parts of the concious mind. The "id" or the desire for personal gratification (Asuka), the "superego" or rational, analytical thought (Rei), and the "ego" or the main personality the controls the final decisions (Shinji).

NGE was nice because... it was just different from any typical Shonen mecha anime or a harem anime with simplistic storylines. Hell, look at Gundam Seed and look at NGE, both very different. :hmm:

Btw FLCL was just an experimental anime from Gainax to test out new styles, it never was meant to mean anything ya know? Its all pop culture and randomness. :3

I liked NGE for two reasons. The first and probably more important of which is that it made me think. it made re-watch it and research to fit in all the weird references and symbolism, it made me think as to why the characters did certain things, it made me think as to what the fuck was going on at any point in time (This last one is a lot more easily understandable if you've watched EoE).

The second is the characters. While many may just call them emo, I don't think so. Asuka is a prodigal genius, having finished college at the age of fifteen, she was truly worthy of being an Eva Pilot in being the best candidate ever (Even though, we learn later, that merit had nothing to do with the selection of pilots). She starts out in the story with all of the righteous arrogance that she deserves, being at least three steps ahead of nearly everyone on earth, despising Shinji because he was so weak and pathetic, yet curious about him for the same reason.

Rei may come off the typical "cold-blooded-cool-character" cliche of anime, but at least she has a reason. She is literally, at least in the form of social interaction between other human beings, an infant. She doesn't understand all of things people do, they have not the slightest bit of sense, all of these emotions and problems they have. Yet she grows, through interacting with the other characters (Shinji and Gendo, mostly) to understand the depths of human emotion and what it means.

Shinji is a key part of the story exactly because is why everyone hates them. He is weak and pathetic, a coward, jealous, cocky, whiny, rarely taking responsibility for his own actions. He represents everything we hate, and everything we might has been, or are. Yet he, too, grows throughout the story, understanding - finally - in the end, that as nice as it is to take the easy way out, people ultimately have to stand on their own, without the help of others.

And just as a side-note, most of the story came to the director (Hideaki Anno) as he was going through a four-year clinical depression. So you can probably see why a lot of the themes seem, well, totally fucked up beyond reason.

It's psycological more than mecha? Not really, they just gave some weird religious overtones to try to separate it from the other couple of hundred mecha animes that exist. and it was'nt that in depth either.You wanna talk psyco stuff go watch A Wind Named Amnesia, Perfect Blue,Paranoia Agent. All of those are more in depth psyco wise, even FLCL is, it's about the intracacies of thinking and using the left side of your brain, also Hara's VEspa scooter can only be ridden by someone who is ambidextrous. Throwing religion into a story to make it seem more in depth is lame, and that is where NGE phails, but lets see where it wins.

1) cute girls in skimpy outfits? check
2) giant robot battles destroying cities? check
3) effeminate whiny boy child surrounded by hot girls? check
4) enough different mechs to milk a toy and gachapon frenzy for years after it's release?check.
5) a strange plot device, in this case religion, to give the fanboys a soapbox to stand and preach on to defend why this anime is so much better than most. mega check.

you got the cute girls part wrong- its girls with bad childhood excluding rei

giant robots battles is wrong to, theyre not robots, theyre angels/monsters and the eva's are part of the angels

the whiny boy, shinji is equal to depressing fag

i have no fucking idea what 4 means.

5 religion..i dont think there was alot of religion, its more phycological, as said.

you got the cute girls part wrong- its girls with bad childhood excluding rei

giant robots battles is wrong to, theyre not robots, theyre angels/monsters and the eva's are part of the angels

the whiny boy, shinji is equal to depressing fag

i have no fucking idea what 4 means.

5 religion..i dont think there was alot of religion, its more phycological, as said.

4 means that they've got enough mechs to make a small fortune off of with toys and merchandise.

Alot anime's idea are copied from some where. DBZ copied character from the famous chinese noval the monkey king.

wow, 4 pages... just wow, i didnt think this thread would get so much attention, lol. Anywho, i get it now, i think NGE is an original idea, and most if not all mech shows copy off gundam.

if you ask me people need to come up with their own ideas. Even death note is copied off a american movie... the name doesnt come to me at the moment though.

Just because something is based off another thing doesn't mean it can't be good. I hate people who see a similarity between to things and then start shouting "RIP-OFF, RIP-OFF, RIP-OFF!" Thats why I don't mind remakes, as long as their good. There's nothing wrong with taking something good, and trying to make it better.

Just because something is based off another thing doesn't mean it can't be good. I hate people who see a similarity between to things and then start shouting "RIP-OFF, RIP-OFF, RIP-OFF!" Thats why I don't mind remakes, as long as their good. There's nothing wrong with taking something good, and trying to make it better.

Or taking something shitty, and trying to make it better...Red Steel 2 comes to mind. ;)

Or taking something shitty, and trying to make it better...Red Steel 2 comes to mind. ;)

Impossible. No wai.

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Gundam had the head horns first. This is an image taken from one of the Gundam series YEARS before Neon Genesis came out.

Horns cannot be used as a deceleration of rip-off, seriously. 80% of all giant robots in existence (Well... sorta) have horns of some kind. They are a common and popular (And usually cool) addition to a giant-robot design.

And besides, where would the world be without all those crappy Phallus jokes?

Holy hell, that horn loks like a glorified penis. ;P

And lordie, the first Gundams were so fat. It looks like they were forced into a slimfast diet now.

Also, the storyline was kind of slow in away with too much unneccesary scenes but some may say those are what made NGE "unique". NGE isn't one of those "super-great" animes or "super-amazing" animes but more of a "super-unique" anime.

Actully, those scenes that you are calling "unneccesary" are the most important part to the show.

Now, all of you listen, and listen good, cause I'm not going to repeat myself.
NGE, as said, a very deep and inter-weaving story.
The first 17 or so eps. have a single purpose, but it's also the most important purpose. It is to create the characters in your mind. It is to make them as real as anyone else that we know. We learn about their little quirks, their life trauma's, their crushes, their hatred.
Many of this can be lost upon those that don't pay attention too. You will get once a quick introduction of what different expressions on each character means, and then those same expressions will be used to flesh out the character. If you don't look at the face, at the eyes, and think of it not as a drawing but a real person, it will all be lost upon you.

The characters are so fleshed out that Anno did something that is a goal for screen writers everywhere, to move the story forward with simply the actors standing upon the empty stage of life.



The story of NGE, like (to my knowledge) all of GainaX's storys, revolve on growing up, coming of age.
FLCL played on puburty, Kare Kano was on love and romance, and NGE is on the lonelyness. And all of their stories, if you look close enough, you will find a under-laying story.
Oh yea, Magical Shopping Arcade Abonbashi is on letting go and moving on.(be it moving to a new city or the death in the family)

In NGE, the underlaying story is actully not hard at all to spot. A lot easier than most of their shows.
Examine each character that is given a full name in the show. They each have something similar.
they are all lonely for some reason or another. And they all deal with it differently.
The instrumentality project's purpose was to remove the mental and physical barriers that separate each and every human. It was to make us into one mine, one body, and one soul.
NGE's story was, in short, on dealing with loneliness.


And Goemon12677, you are very wrong on a lot of points.
First, FLCL was created by an under-study of Anno's, second the story in FLCL is not about brain patterns or any of that other shit you said, but Puberty and the craziness that comes with it.
It's increadably easy to see that. It's most keyed in a similar scene in the begging and end, where Naota gets a soda/drink. In the first one theres something said about how Naota hates the bitter/sour taste.(can't remember exactly, memory is fuzzy)
Anyway, this is brought up many times later. There is the Amarao, when he is buying some bread. Now, Amarao is a very immature character, and theres an exchange of words between Amarao and Naota on how Amarao dislikes spicy stuff, and prefers it sweet, which he then makes a statement on how Naota is the same, and should stay that same.
So basicly it's set up in the story that sweetness=something for kids, sour/bitterness=adult/maturity
In the end of FLCL, Naota gets the sour/bitter soda, and drinks it with complaining, showing that he has now become a "man" and is mature, akin to passing into puberty.

Next, you complain on the use of religion on NGE, but it's actully not an uncommon practice. In Japan christinaity is used much like we use the religion of Ancient Egypt(mummy, Indiana Jones, ect). It's simply a "plot-point".
In truth, religion in the end has NOTHING to do with the actual story.



rant is done, will add more if people have questions, but like I said, not going to repeat stuff. If you ask something I already covered, I'll simply tell you to re-read the posts.





And hey, if you want to talk about something thats copied a lot, I think one of the thing that tops anything is the typical anime-girl boob-bounce seen in Daicon IV (http://youtube.com/watch?v=rzy1RNJBUo4), created by the GainaX team.

Don't forget Goddannar too. o_O