Are we really that ****ed? After reading some threads on the WoW forums, and getting repeatedly owned by a Warlock one level higher than me in Badlands, I'm getting pissed. :/ But I'm already 39 and I don't wanna give up on my rogue. :hmm: What do you guys think? Any tips?

just learn how to use him pvp. duel anyone on ur side and get to know how to fight certain classes

rogues are easy to use i killed a lvl 35 yesterday as lvl 26 :D

rogues are easy to use i killed a lvl 35 yesterday as lvl 26 :D

That means that either you caught the level 35 at low health after killing a mob, you were facing an afk guy, or you were facing a person who doesn't even know how to play the game.

Stop that dumb excuse things, its perfectly possible to do that, I've seen it done.

rogues are easy to use i killed a lvl 35 yesterday as lvl 26 :D

No way, unless you had an advantage.

Rogue forums are pretty depressing eh. I feel like I want to stick it out to 70, but if im going to suck so bad when I get there why waste time I could be using to lvl an enjoyable class.

I ganked a level 60 warlock when I was level 54. Repeatedly.

No way, unless you had an advantage.

nope he even bubbled and healed himself then stunned me and healed and i still came out on top, then took a 29 orc warrior and 34 troll hunter and won, lol lakeshire great place to gank took 2 lvl 20-24 rogues and 1 20 hunter i was 24 and won and i got a lvl 60 druid on my 57 lock but thats going off topic

also warlocks at 40 are easy to beat i mean they don't even have 1 instant cast fear yet and at that level you can keep them in stun lock the whole fight

Warlock
There's your problem.

nope he even bubbled and healed himself then stunned me and healed and i still came out on top, then took a 29 orc warrior and 34 troll hunter and won, lol lakeshire great place to gank took 2 lvl 20-24 rogues and 1 20 hunter i was 24 and won and i got a lvl 60 druid on my 57 lock but thats going off topic

also warlocks at 40 are easy to beat i mean they don't even have 1 instant cast fear yet and at that level you can keep them in stun lock the whole fight

They never have an instant cast fear.
Succubus seduces me and game over. I have stunlocked one before but usually that doesnt happen in the chaotic battle field where I move quickly from person to person without getting time to regenerate Energy.

Stop lieing, stop boasting about kill afk people. You don't even have kick at level 24. Even if you did stop his fears, what about his minion and his curses and DoTs? He even healed and bubbled? Unless you're a twink with like double crusader swords with +30stam and +10agility crap enchantments on your weapons I dont see this happening, same for your hunter kill. You don't even have any stuns yet. :hmm:

um they do have 1 cause i'm a lvl 57 lock and they have howl of terror afflic spec which is instant and is a fear effect and deathcoil makes u wonder about aimlessly and is instant so i do know wat i'm talking about mate and he wasn't afk

tbh you might just be a really bad player mate cus at 24 yes rogues do have kick and i didn't say anywhere, where i said i fought a warlock but i have fought them and the mass amount of damage a rogue can deal in a few seconds and stopping a warlock from doing anything they can kill them very quickly as these lvls

At 42 locks get death coil. Which is pretty much a instant fear. I have a lock which i havnt played in ages but around that lvl i get owned by rouges. I can get off a death coil all my dots but he just =brings u down so fast

um they do have 1 cause i'm a lvl 57 lock and they have howl of terror afflic spec which is instant and is a fear effect and deathcoil makes u wonder about aimlessly and is instant so i do know wat i'm talking about mate and he wasn't afk

tbh you might just be a really bad player mate cus at 24 yes rogues do have kick and i didn't say anywhere, where i said i fought a warlock but i have fought them and the mass amount of damage a rogue can deal in a few seconds and stopping a warlock from doing anything they can kill them very quickly as these lvls

I have never ever heard of a Rogue killing anyone 8 levels above them, unless they are a twink/had an advantage.

I misunderstood your first few posts, but upon realising you claim to have killed a paladin 10 levels above you that still makes it just as unbelievable. Ask anyone, if they believe you killed a level 35 hunter as a level 24 Rogue.:hmm:

i did and we all laughed at him, seriously it really isn't that hard to kill something espically at those low lvls where he wouldn't even have plate yet

Understand This.

World of Warcraft's pvp system was not meant for equal 1v1.

Some classes will have advantages and disadvantages over other classes, that's how it'll always be.

And at level 66, rogues get Cloak of Shadows (http://www.thottbot.com/s31224) , which gives rogues a HUGE advantage over warlocks. If you're wondering why, then you obviously don't know a thing about warlocks.

i did and we all laughed at him, seriously it really isn't that hard to kill something espically at those low lvls where he wouldn't even have plate yet

Even at those low levels the pally would still be 10 levels higher than you. At 35 pallys could do decent damage to the other classes, and much more to a puny rogue 10 levels below him. I'm 99% sure you're lying about killing a paladin and a hunter who were both 10 levels above you.

Alright, heres something you will have to learn quickly if you wish to survive in WoW. Ignore the official forums. Just trust me on this, after you've been around for a while you just realize that all the people on there are whining not because one class is overpowered (Even tho Warrior is currently, and everyone and their mother knows it) or "imba" but because they happened upon either the wrong class for them to be fighting at the time, or because they ran into someone with actual skills (Yes, there are some of them). Read between the lines when you read alot of the posts on the official forums, many of them are joke threads.

Oh, and to answer your question, no. We aren't "*****ed" any more than any other class is. If your losing to a warlock at level 39 don't worry about it. Once you do hit 70 you will be killing everyone before they leave your stunlock (if your mutilate). Warlocks are extremely easy for rogues past level 66, Yes.. They have instant fear. Thats why you use CloS whenever you finish your stunlock so they don't get to fear you and you can finish em off. Alot of them will blow every instant fear they have leaving a stunlock even if you do use Cloak of Shadows because they want you to get the hell away from them, and are in a panic. And hey, those things have cooldowns. Once they blow them what do they get to do? Use their casted fear, which you just gouge or kick, either way its a GG for them. Why do you think alot of people call it "Cloak of Warlock QQ" =p

Even at those low levels the pally would still be 10 levels higher than you. At 35 pallys could do decent damage to the other classes, and much more to a puny rogue 10 levels below him. I'm 99% sure you're lying about killing a paladin and a hunter who were both 10 levels above you.

first off, hunters are easy prey if i get first hit in cause nearly 8/10 of them just stand there and put the trap or while moving will crouch down and put trap, easily avoided, my crippling poison > their wing clip i can out melee the shit out of them. The paladin not only bubbled and healed but he also hit me with his stun and healed again but i still won seriously its really not impossible to do and i'm not twinked either 2 green weapons 0 enchants just normal agi + stam stacking, i'm not saying i'm ultimate i've lost my fair share of fights to but wen my rogue was lvl 19 (different one) and none twinked i could still hold myself against twinks and had about 1500kills in 2 days

Lol.. I love my level 70 rogue, I dont wish I rolled a different class.. (well maybe mage) Rogues are good in pvp, pve, instances, raids.. they are needed for much things.. Sure we might be a tad weak vs different classes.. but if you know how to play your class right.. you can beat any class.

Also.. yeah.. Ive played a paladin to about level 53.. rogues are sinch.. a rogue 10 levels under me wont be able to kill me even if I minimize the game and just auto-attack.. So my best bet. That paladin didnt know what the hell he was doing, or he had rez sickness..

lvl 53 and 35 there is a big difference paladin would have plate at 53 alot more new skills and hit alot harder etc no he didn't not have ress sickness and yes i did kill him

Let me clarify everything for all you wow noobies :p

People are crying about Rogues in arenas (not 1vs1 or BGS) and how they cannot compete with other classes such as warriors. Rogues are just not wanted in serious arena groups such as those above 2500 rating because they can be out dpsed by alot of other classes (in pve this is not true) and have less survivability then some class (yea yea vanish wont do u shit in a pro arena match and neither will 2 vanish or a blind) so alot of people are crying to blizz for a buff. Other then arena rogues are pretty much fine especially 1vs1.

lvl 53 and 35 there is a big difference paladin would have plate at 53 alot more new skills and hit alot harder etc no he didn't not have ress sickness and yes i did kill him


o.O... was he prot spec or something? A ret spec pally (which is the "normal" spec at that level" would have no trouble beating the hell out of a rogue 10 leves below him.. Crusader->judgement->SoC, and you're all out of luck. Especially if he's weilding a 2h (which most ret pallys should be.. they should have verigan's or better..) They could definately kill you within the 5 seconds of HoJ stun..

he didn't have verigans fist but he had a 2hander

Evasion. Paladin was a keyboard turner. Rogue was not.

Most simple explanation.

lol are we here to tell stories or discuss the rogue class?

Things aren't worth mentioning if it isn't level 70.

Every class is powerful at a certian level bracket, for example at 39 warriors tend to outshine a lot of other classes and at 19 rogues outshine.

At level 70 is where it really matters.

Oh yes, the warriors dropping out of the sky and 2 shotting me is definitely the only thing that matters. Just completely ignore the fact that SOME people still play at 60 and don't have TBC. The 70 balance and pvp is so shitty compared to the old 60 stuff, if you played then you have to understand. Unless, of course, your a warrior or a warlock.