View Full Version : If you murder someone, do you get the death penalty?
Kleenex3
09-20-2007, 03:49 AM
*Topic question
Greed
09-20-2007, 03:50 AM
... You didn't did you?
And yes you do..
Stabkiller0
09-20-2007, 03:51 AM
Depends on why you murdered him/her on and on the jury. This is a really difficult question with no straightforward answer.
It just really depends.
Eighty8Percent
09-20-2007, 03:51 AM
... You didn't did you?
And yes you do..
It depends on where you are. A lot of the states oppose the death penalty. And if you're in a state that doesn't it all has different circumstances.
Cereal&Milk
09-20-2007, 03:52 AM
Depends on the circumstances in which the person was murdered, the State, and the council.
Kleenex3
09-20-2007, 03:57 AM
FINALLY THE STATE IS TAKING A STAND!! I think murdering someone should result in a death penalty. ( Proven guilty that is)
Greed
09-20-2007, 04:00 AM
Well yea but if you're found guilty it's usually either the DP or lifetime in jail. It's being debated whether it's inhuman or not. I say.. you killed the guy and then got caught. GG.
Croix
09-20-2007, 04:03 AM
FINALLY THE STATE IS TAKING A STAND!! I think murdering someone should result in a death penalty. ( Proven guilty that is)
I agree. This pussy "jail" crap needs to stop. Now.
I think that the government needs to crack down Old Testament style on these parasites.
Eighty8Percent
09-20-2007, 04:07 AM
I'm against the death penalty completely. In Texas there was a bank robbery and someone got killed in the crossfire. The robber AND the man driving the getaway car were both sentenced to death. The day before the deaths were supposed to take place the governor pardoned the driver. Still that's ridiculous that it would even be a thought for the driver to get the death penalty.
In other countries you can get the death penalty for very silly things. One I recall was Kuwait would sentence you to death if you had a large amount of cannabis.
Croix
09-20-2007, 04:11 AM
I'm against the death penalty completely. In Texas there was a bank robbery and someone got killed in the crossfire. The robber AND the man driving the getaway car were both sentenced to death. The day before the deaths were supposed to take place the governor pardoned the driver. Still that's ridiculous that it would even be a thought for the driver to get the death penalty.
In other countries you can get the death penalty for very silly things. One I recall was Kuwait would sentence you to death if you had a large amount of cannabis.
While I agree that it's a bit extreme to give the driver the death penalty as well, the man who killed someone should get the chair. In my eyes, killing someone is probably the worst crime someone could ever commit.
And do you know what the crime rate in Kuwait is? Considerably lower than ours. Why? Because people know that breaking the laws isn't worth it.
Kleenex3
09-20-2007, 04:15 AM
I'm against the death penalty completely. In Texas there was a bank robbery and someone got killed in the crossfire. The robber AND the man driving the getaway car were both sentenced to death. The day before the deaths were supposed to take place the governor pardoned the driver. Still that's ridiculous that it would even be a thought for the driver to get the death penalty.
In other countries you can get the death penalty for very silly things. One I recall was Kuwait would sentence you to death if you had a large amount of cannabis.
The driver probaly got a gun stick up his head and was force to drive.
THE robber should get the death penalty. I agree with this 100%
Eighty8Percent
09-20-2007, 04:31 AM
While I agree that it's a bit extreme to give the driver the death penalty as well, the man who killed someone should get the chair. In my eyes, killing someone is probably the worst crime someone could ever commit.
And do you know what the crime rate in Kuwait is? Considerably lower than ours. Why? Because people know that breaking the laws isn't worth it.
An eye for an eye, eh? If you kill the person who committed the murder are you no better than him? Since even the most severe punishment of many crimes can never compensate for lost lives, a sense of violation and a lost sense of security, it is crucial that we create programs to deter crimes and prevent them from ever occurring.
The whole Kuwait thing is a matter of opinion. They are raised completly differently than that of the US. Hey if you think a lower crime rate is better than having freedom of religion, higher literacy rate, etc. Be my guest and move to an Arabic country.
Greed
09-20-2007, 04:34 AM
An eye for an eye, eh? If you kill the person who committed the murder are you no better than him? Since even the most severe punishment of many crimes can never compensate for lost lives, a sense of violation and a lost sense of security, it is crucial that we create programs to deter crimes and prevent them from ever occurring.
The whole Kuwait thing is a matter of opinion. They are raised completly differently than that of the US. Hey if you think a lower crime rate is better than having freedom of religion, higher literacy rate, etc. Be my guest and move to an Arabic country.
I heard you get shot if you dethrone God in any way in those countries.
Negrac
09-20-2007, 04:56 AM
FINALLY THE STATE IS TAKING A STAND!! I think murdering someone should result in a death penalty. ( Proven guilty that is)
wow, how old are you kid, i think no one should die, death is an escape. The death penalty is a flaw in the human/religion, that they think murders go to hell, but cording to the bible(in which i don't believe) all you do is have to believe Jesus died for your sins, in which, Hitler(Cristian as a child) a bunch of mass murders... would go in heaven...
any ways, yeah... The Death penitently is way better than rotting in a cell for 80 years. with no woman, bad food, and no reform for you.
OJ Simpson got away with murder. now hes owned cause he cant get a fair trial cause we all know he did it lol
"if i did it" (never write that book, if you are still in the world of crime)
Death is the easy way out... its as simple as that. We don't know what happens we die... but i am sure that it doesn't judge you on how you lived your insignificant life.
Eighty8Percent
09-20-2007, 05:08 AM
wow, how old are you kid, i think no one should die, death is an escape. The death penalty is a flaw in the human/religion, that they think murders go to hell, but cording to the bible(in which i don't believe) all you do is have to believe Jesus died for your sins, in which, Hitler(Cristian as a child) a bunch of mass murders... would go in heaven...
any ways, yeah... The Death penitently is way better than rotting in a cell for 80 years. with no woman, bad food, and no reform for you.
Death is the easy way out... its as simple as that. We don't know what happens we die... but i am sure that it doesn't judge you on how you lived your insignificant life.
I'm against the death penalty because I deem it as cruel and unusual punishment. Not to mention people who are waiting to die in jail on death row is ridiculous. Also it costs money to kill someone in the case of death penalty. Guess where that money comes from?
Greed
09-20-2007, 05:11 AM
I'm against the death penalty because I deem it as cruel and unusual punishment. Not to mention people who are waiting to die in jail on death row is ridiculous. Also it costs money to kill someone in the case of death penalty. Guess where that money comes from?
It takes more money to feed, clothe, bathe, shelter, and basically keep the guy in captivity. I say kill him. Code of Hammurabi ftw.
Negrac
09-20-2007, 05:12 AM
I'm against the death penalty because I deem it as cruel and unusual punishment. Not to mention people who are waiting to die in jail on death row is ridiculous. Also it costs money to kill someone in the case of death penalty. Guess where that money comes from?
yeah killing criminals is more expensive then letting them live for 80 years :/ we do it because some people think they "Deserve" it... when in reality. they the the ultimate freedom.
hotbotishot
09-20-2007, 05:19 AM
you guys, not only is the death penalty wrong, but it is barbaric and very stupid.
If the man killed someone, he should get LIP, for one reason: Who the **** is anyone to take more life??? All this is doing is repeating the cycle, we need to rise above. We DO NOT need to stoop to their level by killing someone. This is one of the many reason i hate the USA.
Besides, IMHO getting raped every night for 80 years strait is worse than dieing once.
Eighty8Percent
09-20-2007, 05:20 AM
yeah killing criminals is more expensive then letting them live for 80 years :/ we do it because some people think they "Deserve" it... when in reality. they the the ultimate freedom.
If your first sentence was sarcasm then "California had little money for innovations like community policing, but was managing to spend an extra $90 million per year on capital punishment. Texas, with over 300 people on death row, is spending an estimated $2.3 million per case, but its murder rate remains one of the highest in the country."
I don't think anyone deserves death. And your view on "ultimate freedom" is a personal opinion and I don't feel like arguing that with you. I'll just say there is the case where the person convicted has kids and wants to stay in jail for 80 years to see them grow up.
Greed
09-20-2007, 05:25 AM
If your first sentence was sarcasm then
I don't think anyone deserves death. And your view on "ultimate freedom" is a personal opinion and I don't feel like arguing that with you. I'll just say there is the case where the person convicted has kids and wants to stay in jail for 80 years to see them grow up.
Well maybe he shouldn't have killed anyone in the first place?
Think about it. Do you really want someone killed more than once before to be alive and able to appeal their case, get free, and walk amongst society once again? >__>
Marineking
09-20-2007, 05:31 AM
Here is how I think it should be.
You murder one person, proven undeniably guilty: Life in prison.
You murder two people, proven undeniably guilty: Hanging (Rope is cheap).
You get drunk and kill someone while driving: Life in prison (I'm sick of these people getting off with a slap on the wrist because they were "incapacitated" or some bullshit, if you were such a dumbass as to drive while drunk in the first place, then society as a whole would be better off without you, not to mention you plain deserve it for being a murderer. If nothing else, they should get more then six months jail with a pussy fine.)
I'm sure you can go on from there yourselves. Murder deserves death, cost or inhumanity have nothing to do with it. If you kill a man in cold blood, you deserve to die along with him, I don't care how expensive it is. Inhumane? What do you call murder? You want to throw him in jail for life, eating up our tax-dollars, or let him out in twenty years so he can do it again? Rehabilitation my ***, if they did it once they can do it again, and if their sorry, tell that to the dead man. Oh wait, you can't.
I'm not saying that the death penalty should be thrown around too easily, but it should not be abolished. And just for reference, being an accessory to murder makes you just as guilty as the one who did it, because you didn't stop it.
Eighty8Percent
09-20-2007, 05:32 AM
ell maybe he shouldn't have killed anyone in the first place?
Think about it. Do you really want someone killed more than once before to be alive and able to appeal their case, get free, and walk amongst society once again? >__>
In the rare case that happends, even if the person killed was close to me, I would not protest against their release. I have faith that if they let him out he acted very good in jail and shows no signs of aggression. Granted he is watched closely and it will be impossible for him to find a job. So even tho you are out of jail you are never "free"
I think the murderers should be tortured.
They should be sent to jail, with the lost of all freedom.
Would you rather have a murderer get a death penalty, or let them keep consciousness and torture their little soul?
Eighty8Percent
09-20-2007, 05:52 AM
I think the murderers should be tortured.
They should be sent to jail, with the lost of all freedom.
Would you rather have a murderer get a death penalty, or let them keep consciousness and torture their little soul?
When you are sent to jail you lose your freedom anyway, even upon release.
Torturing is cruel and unusual punishment In my opinion. Also the latter sentence you said is disgusting.
Jabor_
09-20-2007, 05:56 AM
I would like to comment that the average cost to the taxpayer of executing someone is actually higher than giving them life with no parole.
Jaskaran
09-20-2007, 05:59 AM
yah u do if ur in the states but u get three strikes.But most murders often have death penaltys!
Jabor_
09-20-2007, 06:01 AM
yah u do if ur in the states but u get three strikes.But most murders often have death penaltys!
... you do not know what you are talking about.
Torturing is cruel and unusual punishment In my opinion. Also the latter sentence you said is disgusting.
Don't you think they deserve the cruel torture if they murdered someone? I do, although I was taught to be forgiving. :x
Jabor_
09-20-2007, 06:17 AM
If you want to talk about "deserving", then you just stick with eye-for-an-eye.
Don't you know your own constitution?
Eighty8Percent
09-20-2007, 06:18 AM
Don't you think they deserve the cruel torture if they murdered someone? I do, although I was taught to be forgiving. :x
I don't know if you've been reading my other posts but im strongly against the death penalty... Why would I be for torture. It just doesn't seem constitutional.
Jabor_
09-20-2007, 06:28 AM
Everyone has the right not to be subjected to a cruel or unusual punishment.....
That pretty much sums up the case against torture.
Mr. First Name Basis
09-20-2007, 11:28 AM
In some states it's been 20 years since they've executed somebody but in Texas, for instance, it's only been about 4 hours. XD
Also all executions in North Carolina (where I live) have been halted because of a doctor that didn't show up for an execution saying he couldn't because he took the Doctor's Oath which pledges not to harm anyone intentionally and he'd be doing just that witnessing an execution.
I could have the story wrong. Somebody re-tell it if I said it wrong.
Oisterboy
09-20-2007, 11:33 AM
I think there are murders that are justified. For example, if you knew someone was abusing your 6 year old daughter at school (a teacher), and making her life a living hell, and you had to listen to her cry night after night...and you couldn't prove anything, but you knew it...wouldn't you want to kill the teacher? I would. And, I would prolly go to jail for it. But **** it, it would make me feel better.
I know, thats kinda a lame example...I can't think of anything better. Has anyone ever seen the movie Taxi Driver? He goes to pick up a hooker, and finds out she is 12 years old, so he is bent on killing her pimp. I think thats justification if I've ever heard it.
Eighty8Percent
09-20-2007, 04:37 PM
There is no justification for murder sir. It is NOT your right as an American citizen to kill people. We have police who stop crime.
xXTraitorXx
09-20-2007, 07:28 PM
Nope heres the thing somebody should not have to die because they made a mistake and the cop guys are killing somone also shouldnt they get the death penalty
Athias
09-20-2007, 07:48 PM
It depends what state you live in. But states that have the death penalty, you aren't even killed right away. You could be on death row for 20 years.
wwenbo
09-20-2007, 07:56 PM
It depends on the state you're tried in and many many other factors and circumstances regarding the murder.
GrandHustle
09-20-2007, 08:09 PM
It depends on the state you're tried in and many many other factors and circumstances regarding the murder.
Agreed, it depends on MANY factors.
Also, about what oisterboy said; if you murder someone because they were abusing you or someone you cared about (just an example), then you probably wouldn't be charged with murder. If you get a good lawyer, you could probably downplay it to manslaughter. Still, you'd definitely see jail time. Several years, at least.
Oisterboy
09-20-2007, 09:00 PM
There is no justification for murder sir. It is NOT your right as an American citizen to kill people. We have police who stop crime.
Yeah, the police do a pretty good job of protecting the people, don't they? Some crimes can't be proven, and some things police can't take care of. I'm not saying every person who pisses you off you should gun down, but...murder is a crime of passion, and, I DO believe some of it is justified.
Another example: What if someone kidnapped your whole family? People you care about. Tell me straight that you wouldn't want to kill them. If someone is put through enough trauma and stress from a certain individual to screw up a mind/life permanently, they deserve to die. But, thats my opinion.
Shynobi22
09-20-2007, 10:40 PM
Which is why I jeffuray noneys *thats my name except I spelled it wrong on purpose including the last name* vow to round house kick a murderer. THEN sentence him to life in prison. Torture > 3 minute death sentence
Sandman53
09-20-2007, 10:41 PM
There are many variables when it comes to recieving the death penalty...
1) Location:
Some states do not have the death penalty. The states that I am 100% sure have it are New York, California, and Texas. As for the others... not too sure.
2) Remorse
If you can show remorse for what you have done than there is a slight chance that the jury won't put the death penalty on you, or they won't recomend it.
3) Killing?
How bad was your killing? Remember that murder is murder... it's the unlawful taking of anothers life. So Self-defense is not murder, even a homocide doesn't mean murder.
Anyways. It just depends on a lot of factors. In any case if you have murderd someone your basically ****ed... so who cares?
Fox Company
09-20-2007, 10:48 PM
I found out the hard way,Bye guys
DeliquenT
09-20-2007, 10:50 PM
I found out the hard way,Bye guys
Your only 13, you'll be crawling back
†Ð£MØÑ†
09-20-2007, 11:07 PM
There are many variables when it comes to recieving the death penalty...
3) Killing?
How bad was your killing? Remember that murder is murder... it's the unlawful taking of anothers life. So Self-defense is not murder, even a homocide doesn't mean murder.
Anyways. It just depends on a lot of factors. In any case if you have murderd someone your basically ****ed... so who cares?
What happens when you kill someone in self defense?
Richard0
09-20-2007, 11:12 PM
The death penalty really shouldn't be done. One thing is the suspect is not always the right one. What happens when an innocent person gets the death penalty? I say lifetime in jail is good. At least if you have the wrong suspect they can still live XD
BetaBot
09-20-2007, 11:21 PM
Yes
If they ever find out about it.
DeliquenT
09-20-2007, 11:26 PM
The death penalty really shouldn't be done. One thing is the suspect is not always the right one. What happens when an innocent person gets the death penalty? I say lifetime in jail is good. At least if you have the wrong suspect they can still live XD
Are you being sarcastic? would you want to live a lifetime in jail and get raped and stabbed?
Greed
09-20-2007, 11:31 PM
Here is how I think it should be.
You murder one person, proven undeniably guilty: Life in prison.
You murder two people, proven undeniably guilty: Hanging (Rope is cheap).
You get drunk and kill someone while driving: Life in prison (I'm sick of these people getting off with a slap on the wrist because they were "incapacitated" or some bullshit, if you were such a dumbass as to drive while drunk in the first place, then society as a whole would be better off without you, not to mention you plain deserve it for being a murderer. If nothing else, they should get more then six months jail with a pussy fine.)
I'm sure you can go on from there yourselves. Murder deserves death, cost or inhumanity have nothing to do with it. If you kill a man in cold blood, you deserve to die along with him, I don't care how expensive it is. Inhumane? What do you call murder? You want to throw him in jail for life, eating up our tax-dollars, or let him out in twenty years so he can do it again? Rehabilitation my ***, if they did it once they can do it again, and if their sorry, tell that to the dead man. Oh wait, you can't.
I'm not saying that the death penalty should be thrown around too easily, but it should not be abolished. And just for reference, being an accessory to murder makes you just as guilty as the one who did it, because you didn't stop it.
Agreed.
In the rare case that happends, even if the person killed was close to me, I would not protest against their release. I have faith that if they let him out he acted very good in jail and shows no signs of aggression. Granted he is watched closely and it will be impossible for him to find a job. So even tho you are out of jail you are never "free"
So might as well kill him. He's just taking up space and contributing to the pollution. And just because he was "good" in jail doesn't mean he won't kill once he gets within 3 feet of you. Faith has a limit. And I'm not very religious anyway. I'd prefer a tazer to bible any day. Or one of those handy net guns.
I would like to comment that the average cost to the taxpayer of executing someone is actually higher than giving them life with no parole.
I find it hard to believe that one quick shot to the head costs more than having the guy live and have his expenses paid for.
You people are talking about murderers you know that? The wouldn't think twice to kill you once they've killed before. Best way to keep them down is kill them. You kill we kill. Easily said easily done.
Urahara
09-21-2007, 12:09 AM
Depends on where you live in. Some places you just get imprisonment for life-time.
power_gamer_6
09-21-2007, 12:33 AM
wow, how old are you kid, i think no one should die, death is an escape. The death penalty is a flaw in the human/religion, that they think murders go to hell, but cording to the bible(in which i don't believe) all you do is have to believe Jesus died for your sins, in which, Hitler(Cristian as a child) a bunch of mass murders... would go in heaven...
any ways, yeah... The Death penitently is way better than rotting in a cell for 80 years. with no woman, bad food, and no reform for you.
OJ Simpson got away with murder. now hes owned cause he cant get a fair trial cause we all know he did it lol
"if i did it" (never write that book, if you are still in the world of crime)
Death is the easy way out... its as simple as that. We don't know what happens we die... but i am sure that it doesn't judge you on how you lived your insignificant life.
Way to wrongly interpret the bible.
The bible says that if you believe in God and you REPENT your sins, THEN you will go to heaven. And you must be truly sorry.
I can't just go kill someone and be like "Well, I believe in Jesus so that's a ticket to heaven for me. Aww yeahh."
wwenbo
09-21-2007, 12:55 AM
I find it hard to believe that one quick shot to the head costs more than having the guy live and have his expenses paid for.
You have to hire people to do the whole thing. You need a lot of people there for the whole process. They get a dinner that could cost more than a few years of prison food. There probably loads of legal stuff that have to be paid for. An execution is more complicated than just injecting the guy with some drugs.
You people are talking about murderers you know that? The wouldn't think twice to kill you once they've killed before. Best way to keep them down is kill them. You kill we kill. Easily said easily done.
Its not easily done. They have families and lawyers that are willing to fight for them and you can't deny them a fair trial. There are many many people who disagree with you view, and since this is a republic they can't just be ignored.
Sandman53
09-21-2007, 01:19 AM
What happens when you kill someone in self defense?
Depending on the situation you can get off on probation or no time at all. And by self defence I mean a justified defense where your life was in immediate danger and you had no other choice.
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