I'm tired of walking through towns, seeing all of these 3rd job advanced lower class farts, and hearing the local noobs flaming each other. I've never heard so much bull between an assassin and a bandit regarding who's "better" than in the past couple of weeks. Therefore, I'm going to tell it EXACTLY as it is.

Brace yourselves, flamers...

THERE IS NO BEST!!!

Assassins get their cheap hype from their ability to critical and show high damage in a hit. But that's exactly what it is: a CRITICAL. Like all other classes, sins have a shot that will shake the globe and make noobs sh!t bricks. Yes, the damage is high. When you have the best stars and a +7 claw, the damage is nothing but high. We understand.

Bandits get their cheap hype from their savage blow. Sins flame them for their lower hits (80% damage pr shot). On behalf of bandits (which I rarely do), I will defend their honor. Bandits are VERY good classes. Yes, it's true, 80% is definitely a dip from the Double Stab's 130%. Now, all of you mathematicians, 130*2 vs 80*6 is a SIGNIFICANT difference. If you seriously consider Savage Blow a push-over, you are only lying to yourself.

If you don't already know, everyone has their advantages and disadvantages. Bandits and sins should have obvious ones, but I'll list the commons for thick-skulled 3rd rate pros.

Sins have long range, meaning less pots due to less hits.

Bandits have short range, meaning more damage, meaning more pots.

Sins, due to star price and making their own claws, spend more money.

Bandits aren't that much richer for two reasons. First, they require more pots, which aren't cheap in bulk. Second, bandits are not long-ranged. Therefore, when fighting a monster that casts, can you guess how much damage a bandit has to take to get close? The results aren't always cake.

Sins are chumps, just like archers; they hit from far away and run when the enemy is closing in.

Bandits are men: they get in your face, then shred your face to pieces.

Sins look sexier becasue their weapon is compact and stylish. It's true, though not nearly relevant to power.

Bandits hold their weapons out, which make them not as sexy. However, in my opinion, I'd rather hold my weapon out. KNOW YOUR PLACE, B!TCHES.

The last thing that may not be as obvious, but still relevant, Bandits are faster than sins. Not because of haste or attack in itself, because both classes are equal. However, bandits benefit greater from dagger booster, and the execution of attack ~> dealt damage is instant.

Also, if you haven't noticed, most sins use the best stars they can afford. Yes, they will deal unfairly high damage in early levels. However (and remember this), when bandits get their savage blow and dagger mastery maxed, which I consider at least level 43, they are stronger. Not as strong, but stronger. If you ever have the time, take a god look at damage ratio. A lv50 sin and a lv50 bandit will both deal high damage. However, a bandit's damage will be consistent. A sin's damage varies. A bandit can sonsecutively hit 16-1800 in damage while a sin hits between 800 and 2000. The average should be obvious, but if it isn't, bandits will strike 1700 average; sins till strike an average of 1400. 300 hp difference in average alone (and i'm counting critical).

This doesn't make bandits better, just POTENTIALLY stronger. At the same time, you can't kill what you can't touch. Bandits have to get close to touch, yet sins have range like archers, raching across the screen. Magic-casters can't hit a sin from that far away. Like I said before.... you can't kill what you can't touch.

Lastly, if you see a noob sin hitting 1k in a Lucky 7, check his gear. Chances are, more often than not, that something is mass scrolled.

I'm not here to convince you into a class, but rather here to even the playing field. Flamers and hypemen everywhere will tell you that their class is best, but don't knock it till you try it. That's all.

Uhh that's great I guess?

Should be posted in the GUIDES section, but thanks I guess.

Just I don't agree to everything you say. Some of it is biased. I'm too lazy to quote all the lines that are, but not all of it is true. Sins use a lot of pots to you know?

And to break it into this guide.. the perfect combo is a BANDIT SIN. You getta poke and when you needa range cause the monster does too much damage, you get to do L7..

well good points but it is still really based on your opinion and playing style

Very nice. Thats very true that Sins show all those flashy numbers and people instantly think "t3h m0st Pwn3r Cl4s7!?!" I say they are equal, just like you said, those were also awesome comparisons for each class. Good-Job :)

Sigh, just stating my opinion that these threads are basically pointless and dumb. It all really depends on the equips, funding, low-dex, dex-less, regular build, capped dex, etc. But I do agree that "there is no best". It's all opinion.

Very nice. Thats very true that Sins show all those flashy numbers and people instantly think "t3h m0st Pwn3r Cl4s7!?!" I say they are equal, just like you said, those were also awesome comparisons for each class. Good-Job :)


Nah all the flashy numbers come from crusaders. But great guide ya got here.

ive never actually seen a crusader (at least 40+) isnt that odd? werent they more poplular than spearmen? or am i getting mixed up with page or something like that, i dont really know the warrior class well :P

Ok, Bandits are stronger, but is it worth the cost of MP? Look at it this way, 2 Lucky sevens can match 1 savage in terms of mp cost. Yes I know Im 5 mp off, but its not that much. 1 savage, can never match the damage of 2 lucky seven. ALso, at training map,s if bandits can't one hit them, they better find a new place if they were TRYING to ks a sin.

Just saying this is posted too many times. You should SEARCH before you post.

Actually there are BETTER guides out there that are actually FACTS.

I don't think this was even intended to be a guide, he was just pointing out the differences between Sins and Bandits and why neither is really stronger than the other. And I really don't know what "facts" you could be talking about, this all seems straightforward to me.

This age old debate is pretty much bullshit anyways as it's all relative. Bandits have higher average and more consistent damage than sins, but sins have much higher max damage and range. Bandits rely on OHK, while sins can afford to take a few shots to kill something. Who is better all depends on the situation. A bandit will most likely destroy a sin in cramped quaters, while a sin will own a bandit in a more open map where the spawn is spread out. In a situation like at MM, I'd say it's a toss up. The sin will win if he's lucky with criticals, and probably lose if he's not. So people need to stfu about this, as it's pointless.

Ok, Bandits are stronger, but is it worth the cost of MP? Look at it this way, 2 Lucky sevens can match 1 savage in terms of mp cost. Yes I know Im 5 mp off, but its not that much. 1 savage, can never match the damage of 2 lucky seven. ALso, at training map,s if bandits can't one hit them, they better find a new place if they were TRYING to ks a sin.
Hmm, I don't agree with that...
Let's say we're at zombies...I can't OHK, but I can around 10% of the time...but that's irrelevant.
As long as I can hit more than half the HP of zombies, then a KS with a sin should be perfectly fine.

and I doubt this was intended to be a guide either.

great but sins>bandits. cheaper (well atleast in 3rd job they got skills to make them cheaper)

alchemit + meso up = money money
alchemist makes all things 150% longer and heals more.
meso up makes more meso drop from enemires which means more money

chakra + pickpocket
chackra you need a safe place to do so. pickpicket if for 1 person only unlike meso up which works for all party members

About the math thing: You don't deal 130 damage twice nor do you deal 80 6 times. To get a better number for max damage you must do the following. Get the maximum number out of the range, multiply it by .80, then multiply that by 6. Do the same except multiply by 2 and multiply by 1.30.
My maximum(with warrior pill) is 329. So the product of 329x.62x6 would be my maximum damage, bottom line. The calculator says 1223. Note: That would be the result only if I hit 203 damage on each hit when using Savage Blow, which I've never done before.
My maximum damage with double stab would be(329x1.30x2) 855. Noticeably less eh? 1223>855 and I just started to use savage blow too :D .

Offtopic: Anyone like my signature? I made it myself.

your sig is pretty plain :P
and the quality is pretty bad
but the font is nice and clear :)

good job none the less

I love how people are defending their class :rolleyes: , peronally I went with Bandit because that was the only guide I could find at the time :D. BANDIT FTW!! :D

About the math thing: You don't deal 130 damage twice nor do you deal 80 6 times. To get a better number for max damage you must do the following. Get the maximum number out of the range, multiply it by .80, then multiply that by 6. Do the same except multiply by 2 and multiply by 1.30.
My maximum(with warrior pill) is 329. So the product of 329x.62x6 would be my maximum damage, bottom line. The calculator says 1223. Note: That would be the result only if I hit 203 damage on each hit when using Savage Blow, which I've never done before.
My maximum damage with double stab would be(329x1.30x2) 855. Noticeably less eh? 1223>855 and I just started to use savage blow too :D .

Offtopic: Anyone like my signature? I made it myself.

He wasn't talking about the damage dealt, he was talking about the damage modifers. Double Stab deals 130% of the normal damage twice (for a total of 260%), and SB does 80% of the normal damage 6 times (total is 480%). He was just saying that people are discouraged by the 80% modifier as opposed to the 130% modifier, without taking into account the number of times that modifier is applied.

And I like the sig. Simple and to the point.

ok ur retarded... stop posting this shyt ... every thing you wrote is a an opinion... chief bandit dont suk.... (not like ne one in this forum say they suk so why didi u post this?) ne ways peopel jsut dont like them becuz they cost a a hell alot mesos....20-50% at lvl 95 for a cheif bandit traininig at mdt/vikings/grims... will cost 10-30 mil depending on ur usage....at lvl 80+ bandit just cant survive.. hell if i had 1 trillion mesos... my cb will own ne body in ms... chuck 50k mesos for traininig with mesos explosion

umm...tehmaster, im pretty sure his point was to prove that cbs dont suck, neither do hermits...
he was trying to prove to people that theyre equal, just like any other class.
disregard what i said if you werent talking about the threadstarter xD

erm.. the part about bandits being faster then sins arent really true there... me and my friend tested out our speed. I went up close to a monster and he was further back (sin) i attacked the same time he did but somehow he killed the monster faster which was a fireboar. i used savage blow but the dmgs never showed up. Sins are quicker, this is coming from someone who is a banditt. I wish i could say bandits are faster but i cant. The only place where we could possibly be faster is mob killings. But all those things dont matter, i will stick to my banddit because i worked hard on it and i wont quit it just because ppl think assassins are better.

Actually I prefer sin's over cb's at level 8x+. Assaulter is slow as hell and thieves is pretty weak. I have both characters and they are both 9x. It is hard as hell to train a bandit in ludi. You need mesoguard to survive. Thats just my opinion though.

I don't think this was even intended to be a guide, he was just pointing out the differences between Sins and Bandits and why neither is really stronger than the other. And I really don't know what "facts" you could be talking about, this all seems straightforward to me.

This age old debate is pretty much bullshit anyways as it's all relative. Bandits have higher average and more consistent damage than sins, but sins have much higher max damage and range. Bandits rely on OHK, while sins can afford to take a few shots to kill something. Who is better all depends on the situation. A bandit will most likely destroy a sin in cramped quaters, while a sin will own a bandit in a more open map where the spawn is spread out. In a situation like at MM, I'd say it's a toss up. The sin will win if he's lucky with criticals, and probably lose if he's not. So people need to stfu about this, as it's pointless.
OMG THANK YOU!!

Finally, someone understands the complete point of what I've been trying to say on MS for so long. The blunt and straightforward truth is that all of the "who's better" arguments are absolutely pointless. It depends entirely on the situation. And, about that lil quip, KSing the sins or moving on... WHO CARES ABOUT A KS?!?! Did i mention that at all in what I wrote? KSing is for people who have nothing better to do. Case closed.

And thank you again for getting the point. Finally, someone sees things from a point of view very similar to mine.

By the way, this is not a guide, it is a comparison. If you use it as a guide, that's up to you. May it cause your own downfall, don't blame me.

erm.. the part about bandits being faster then sins arent really true there... me and my friend tested out our speed. I went up close to a monster and he was further back (sin) i attacked the same time he did but somehow he killed the monster faster which was a fireboar. i used savage blow but the dmgs never showed up. Sins are quicker, this is coming from someone who is a banditt. I wish i could say bandits are faster but i cant. The only place where we could possibly be faster is mob killings. But all those things dont matter, i will stick to my banddit because i worked hard on it and i wont quit it just because ppl think assassins are better.
Not to say I'm right, but just to say you may be mistaken. If your damage didn't show up, it may be the speed of your internet connection. I have dialup and that happens sometimes. It's not the speed of my friend, but rather the rate in which i see things appear. When I move, you won't see it for almost a second. That's the natural order of MS. For your attack, maybe you saw the attack initiated when you attacked. The truth is, however, that he attacked before you. If it were same speed, you would see your damage show.

Also, I'm not trying to prove the immortal powers of either class. It's been said time and time again since i've posted, that's not my intent. So please, stop mistakening the goddamn post. Thank you.

On a side note, if you are trying to tell anyone who posts on this thread that either class is better through the use of flaming or hype, don't waste valuable time. It's not the topic, so defend both or defend none, but keep your dumbass comments to yourself.

ok ur retarded... stop posting this shyt ... every thing you wrote is a an opinion... chief bandit dont suk.... (not like ne one in this forum say they suk so why didi u post this?) ne ways peopel jsut dont like them becuz they cost a a hell alot mesos....20-50% at lvl 95 for a cheif bandit traininig at mdt/vikings/grims... will cost 10-30 mil depending on ur usage....at lvl 80+ bandit just cant survive.. hell if i had 1 trillion mesos... my cb will own ne body in ms... chuck 50k mesos for traininig with mesos explosion
I can easily maintain composure, so I'm not gonna go off on you (yet). But let me say this. Before you say something out loud and look like the retard you see other people as, LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE POSTING ABOUT!!

The title alone doesn't portray the hype of either class. So try this method next time. Read the title. Analyze it. If it looks like it's biased, but you are not sure, open it and READ the post. When you are done, READ IT AGAIN.

This method should help you not look like a complete idiot in front of strangers. Unless, of course, you are a brainless monkey.

Uhh that's great I guess?

Should be posted in the GUIDES section, but thanks I guess.

Just I don't agree to everything you say. Some of it is biased. I'm too lazy to quote all the lines that are, but not all of it is true. Sins use a lot of pots to you know?

And to break it into this guide.. the perfect combo is a BANDIT SIN. You getta poke and when you needa range cause the monster does too much damage, you get to do L7..
I hope you come back and post again, becasue I really want you to follow up on the biased parts.

Also, I don't agree with you either. Though I see your point of range and power thrown together, the Bandit Sin is just a showoff hybrid class. In the long run, they are near useless, with a Lucky 7 that lacks critical and a Savage Blow that lacks stability.In the end, you have a half/half mixture.

I don't know how to explain my point any further, so I'm going to try an example. It may get you to feel how I feel, maybe it won't, who knows.

Have you ever dated a shim? You know, a shemale, a hybrid of a boy and a girl? Straight girls don't want other girls rubbing up on them. Yes, it's sad, but it's true. Straight boys don't want two heads playing pattycake between the sheets.

The best cock is a cock on a guy. The best tits are tits on a chick. Don't try to get the both of both worlds and try tits with a cock. It doesn't work.

Maybe you understand my point. But a hybrid is not normal. Though abnormality is good, it's a sacrifice of the sweet nectar of dedication.

Ok, Bandits are stronger, but is it worth the cost of MP? Look at it this way, 2 Lucky sevens can match 1 savage in terms of mp cost. Yes I know Im 5 mp off, but its not that much. 1 savage, can never match the damage of 2 lucky seven. ALso, at training map,s if bandits can't one hit them, they better find a new place if they were TRYING to ks a sin.
Hmm, I don't agree with that...
Let's say we're at zombies...I can't OHK, but I can around 10% of the time...but that's irrelevant.
As long as I can hit more than half the HP of zombies, then a KS with a sin should be perfectly fine.

and I doubt this was intended to be a guide either.
Good point and I'm glad you said it the way you did.

KSing is pointless, regardless who executes it. However, if you deal over half the damage of a monster in a single hit, it won't matter who KSes you, the sh!t is still yours.

And about you, kazoo

(The only reason I'll go directly for your throat now is because you are trying to downsize bandits for your own benefit).

You are judging by potential max damage. You are off by a little bit, that's true, 5..... Anyway, you are off. Looking at potential max, you are right, it outdamages us. Looking at average, you are still right. But honestly, i prefer the stable damage. That way, I'll never have to stare into the pathetic face of a class who can still do under 1000 damage with their best move.

I am a personal fan of stability and speed, both of which I can use to make you sh!t bricks. Your min/max shaky ass damage is fodder to me. Until you naturally hit higher damage than bandits do, Keep yourself silent.

And lastly, you are judging by a scale where sins have favored prowess. You can't ks a bandit if he hits first and a bandit can't ks you if you hit first either. It's fair on a scale of damage. But if you want to play on unfair ground, why don't you flood a pit with golems and see what you can do. There's only 1.5 classes that can stand a chance when all odds are against them. Every kind of warrior and 1 of two thieves. Do you know which thief that is? That's all for that.

Don't play the KS card, because you are playing on a bandit's weakness. Until you can KS a bandit in a pit full of gollems (and I do mean FULL), don't talk about KSing. Keep your 1 damage gloves to yourself and respectully withdraw your KS comments. Like I said before, in case you missed it, each class has advantages and disadvantages. As long as you can admit that, we're good.

By the way, I'm not pissed off at you or anything, I just don't like what you said just now.

On the flip, you caught a precise point at the beginning, max potential damage IS higher than a bandit's, case closed. But when it comes to who's stronger, don't knock it till you try it.

I can easily maintain composure, so I'm not gonna go off on you (yet). But let me say this. Before you say something out loud and look like the retard you see other people as, LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE POSTING ABOUT!!

The title alone doesn't portray the hype of either class. So try this method next time. Read the title. Analyze it. If it looks like it's biased, but you are not sure, open it and READ the post. When you are done, READ IT AGAIN.

This method should help you not look like a complete idiot in front of strangers. Unless, of course, you are a brainless monkey.your calling your self a brainless monkey. triple posts?
sins>bandit at iron hogs

your calling your self a brainless monkey. triple posts?
sins>bandit at iron hogs

And bandits>sins at Z-Lupin. Like I said, it's relative. Who cares if sins are better than bandits at Iron Pigs. How is that relavent to anything?

And flurryous, since you're new I'm sure the mods will let your quadruple post slide. Plus, you were actually talking about something, and not spamming. However, it is against the rules in this forum to double post.

And bandits>sins at Z-Lupin. Like I said, it's relative. Who cares if sins are better than bandits at Iron Pigs. How is that relavent to anything?

And flurryous, since you're new I'm sure the mods will let your quadruple post slide. Plus, you were actually talking about something, and not spamming. However, it is against the rules in this forum to double post.
Thanks, Arctery, I'll try to watch that from now on.

And about that Iron Hogs piece the brainless monkey started talking about, they don't give good experience in comparison to hits per kill. If you are training on them at all for no significant reason, you can outkill me any day, I'll stick to logical training.

Thanks again, Arctery, for seeing the full blown picture

(it's a lot easier when there are sensible people... I tend to argue with less arrogance and more respect).

hmm, flame war. or so it seems to be getting to.

there have been too many threads over this topic. in this forum and others. both sides have valid points. both sides have disadvantages.

please quit trying to prove which one is better. can't be all just get along? :(

*SIGH* thats what i wish hurt T.T...so much argueing...

but...who really gives a damn if one side is better then the other? its a GAME ok? a G-A-M-E...just chiilz 8|

uve missed the ace skill sins have


COpycat.or shadow partner.


Which duals any skill the sin uses...

so that is wat really makes them powerful.

How is is that people still miss what this is all about? He was just trying to show that neither class is always going to be better than the other. Like he and I both said, it's compleatly relative to the situation.

Also, this has nothing to do with third job. this is just about Bandits and Assassins, not about Hermits and Chief Bandit. Everyone already knows that Hermits pretty much whoop the ass of Chief Bandits anyways, so stop bringing it up.

Not to say I'm right, but just to say you may be mistaken. If your damage didn't show up, it may be the speed of your internet connection. I have dialup and that happens sometimes. It's not the speed of my friend, but rather the rate in which i see things appear. When I move, you won't see it for almost a second. That's the natural order of MS. For your attack, maybe you saw the attack initiated when you attacked. The truth is, however, that he attacked before you. If it were same speed, you would see your damage show.

Also, I'm not trying to prove the immortal powers of either class. It's been said time and time again since i've posted, that's not my intent. So please, stop mistakening the goddamn post. Thank you.

On a side note, if you are trying to tell anyone who posts on this thread that either class is better through the use of flaming or hype, don't waste valuable time. It's not the topic, so defend both or defend none, but keep your dumbass comments to yourself.

I didnt even mention if neither classes were better. I was saying assassins were faster so i dont see what makes my comments such a "dumbass". Did i say something to offend either class? This is my opinion so isnt threads liek these require ppls opinions? So why dont u next tme, instead of wasting ur time making these stupid thread because you obviously should know these threads will have different comments or flaming about the classes, btw most of the stuff your saying is making bandits sound better then assassins. Next time how about you dont make these kinda post then, simple?

Everyone already knows that Hermits pretty much whoop the ass of Chief Bandits anyways, so stop bringing it up.sadly enough, this is true. and for those of you screwming MESO EXPLOSION PL0X!1!1!11!!!... no.

aznriceboi. you really should know what you're talking about before you say anything.
1. bandits attack faster. it's been proven. your test failed because of reaction time (ie when you had to start attacking and all) and connection speed and even possibly weapon speed. kandayo anyone? bandits are quicker, this is coming from someone who is a chief bandit.
2. flurryous assumed you're a dumbass partially because your grammar and english overall seem kind of... 'retarded' and partially because you have no idea what you're talking about.
3. if you're going to post in a thread, don't flame anyone. it just creates bad tension. and no I'm not flaming you. I'm just stating why flurryous is disagreeing with you.

I will say this one last time. there are advantages and disadvantages for sins and bandits. neither is better. it only seems so because of scrolled equips and all that good stuff.

too bad I'm not olaph. I'd like to lock this thread right now. :)

same hurt...-_-...this thread is BEGGING to be locked, or....someone going to get flamed..

ok...why the HELL would wizit make a class better? think about it...will that attract more people to one class? if it would...when why the f*ck would wizit have a picture of ALL 4 different classes...and EACH of the characters on a screeny of killing monsters? BECAUSE THE DAMN GAME IS ABOUT PEOPLE WORKING TOGHTER...AND NOT ABOUT SOME CLASS BETTER THEN ANOTHER *huffs*

same hurt...-_-...this thread is BEGGING to be locked, or....someone going to get flamed..

ok...why the HELL would wizit make a class better? [...] THE DAMN GAME IS ABOUT PEOPLE WORKING TOGHTER...AND NOT ABOUT SOME CLASS BETTER THEN ANOTHER *huffs*

Wise words Piggy, wise words.

And I don't think this thread needs to be locked, I just think people need to let it die.

"Sins have long range, meaning less pots due to less hits."
"Bandits have short range, meaning more damage, meaning more pots."


this part is true for the beginning noob lvls 1-50 (my definition of noob) , but once higher lvl it is wrong... sin r 100% of the time right next to the enemy just like bandits.... one because enemies become to big to run from. and your probably thinking if ur right next to the enemy how do u hit... and thats the point of a sin the talent of jumpshot plus flash jump comes in handy later (no damage during jump and quick shot at enemy)


"Sins are chumps, just like archers; they hit from far away and run when the enemy is closing in.
Bandits are men: they get in your face, then shred your face to pieces."


i must highly i mean HIGHLY DISAGREE, not to flame because i have both a hermit and a 6x bandit. as i said above sins might fight long range (wen noobs) but later on must fight as a bandit would.. close range. and point number 2 about bandits spending more on hp pots (i didnt include that quote) , one reason... is DRAIN. duh obviosly... all i ever use is drian. and another things is since this was on pro section... mass hp pots wen ur 60+ is chump change... if u cant afford 1k hp pots 1k mp pots wen ur 3rd job no offence but ur a loooooosssseeeeerrrr.






"The last thing that may not be as obvious, but still relevant, Bandits are faster than sins. Not because of haste or attack in itself, because both classes are equal. However, bandits benefit greater from dagger booster, and the execution of attack ~> dealt damage is instant."




haha this is what i found the funniest in here....
savage blow(with dagger booster).....L7 SAME SPEED(claw booster)!!!!!!!
and to get technical the time it takes the bandit to walk up to the enemy to kill it the sin wouldve been hit it so technically sins r faster and has more chance of damage if a bandit and sin wer to strt in the same place.






"Also, if you haven't noticed, most sins use the best stars they can afford. Yes, they will deal unfairly high damage in early levels. However (and remember this), when bandits get their savage blow and dagger mastery maxed, which I consider at least level 43, they are stronger. Not as strong, but stronger. If you ever have the time, take a god look at damage ratio. A lv50 sin and a lv50 bandit will both deal high damage. However, a bandit's damage will be consistent. A sin's damage varies. A bandit can sonsecutively hit 16-1800 in damage while a sin hits between 800 and 2000. The average should be obvious, but if it isn't, bandits will strike 1700 average; sins till strike an average of 1400. 300 hp difference in average alone (and i'm counting critical)."




ok most sins try to use the best stars they can afford that is true... but its the same as regular equipment everyone tries to get the latest things. and one thing BANDITS R NOT REPEAT NOT STRONGER... they just have a stability advantage. ok lvl 55 sin (i have a lvl 55 low dex sin) my damage does vary true.... so here a little math ... my max 1 hit of L7 is 5k ok so thats 2 2500's , ok 50% of time there will be a critical right??? so 1/2 one will be crit one will not.... wo out of the 2 hits L7 does on average it will hit 1250 + 2500k = 3750.... now i compared this with my 60 bandit which i made equal luck and wg as my sin ... my average hit was 3.2-3.6k or in between it is 3.4k so u say it is equal correct?? now on to your second quote i chose to follow this.




"This doesn't make bandits better, just POTENTIALLY stronger. At the same time, you can't kill what you can't touch. Bandits have to get close to touch, yet sins have range like archers, raching across the screen. Magic-casters can't hit a sin from that far away. Like I said before.... you can't kill what you can't touch."


Bandits potentially stronger ??!?!?! AHAHAHAHA FUNNY!!!! one , potential is the wrong word cuz with wat u sed sin still have more potential (reaching higher damage) the right saying wouild be that bandits are on average stronger.... but that is still wrong. to follow wat i previuusly said for your last quote 3.7k and 3.6k would be pretty equal right.... but one big diference...the bandit cannot achieve higher than 3.6k.....as its savage blow range is only from 100-200 diference when used. the sin has the POTENTIAL to hit 5k ( and thats his MAX HIT) the bandits max hit is sadly 3.6k... making the sin stronger.




"Lastly, if you see a noob sin hitting 1k in a Lucky 7, check his gear. Chances are, more often than not, that something is mass scrolled."


this kinda makes u seem pro bandit in ur unbiased guide dont u think?? well besides that onward with my research.... well this is probably true because my lvl 55 low dex sin hits way beyond his lvl because of my gear but who says bandits cant have crazy scrolled gear either right??


"I'm not here to convince you into a class, but rather here to even the playing field. Flamers and hypemen everywhere will tell you that their class is best, but don't knock it till you try it. That's all."


Well this seems like u like bandits more if u read it all . and you can call me a flamer if u want but i must say this


SINS R BETTER!!!!!!!... and im only saying this by the facts ive known.. and u say in thos quote .. dont knock it til u try it.. i can knock it all i want.. i have both jobs and both r pretty high lvld .


i am not trying to flaming the class.. just point out the bare truth


one thing i forgot... 80+ chief bandits is when bandits reach higher potential by the amound of mesos one posses... i hope u know wat i mean =) if you dont ur noob lol

K guys I'm getting sick and tired of this bull, this thread should be deleted.. Its just full of sin and bandit fanboys, both classes have their own pros and cons so stop acting stupid and stfu.

same hurt...-_-...this thread is BEGGING to be locked, or....someone going to get flamed..

ok...why the HELL would wizit make a class better? think about it...will that attract more people to one class? if it would...when why the f*ck would wizit have a picture of ALL 4 different classes...and EACH of the characters on a screeny of killing monsters? BECAUSE THE DAMN GAME IS ABOUT PEOPLE WORKING TOGHTER...AND NOT ABOUT SOME CLASS BETTER THEN ANOTHER *huffs*
Piggy, you pwn. You just said everything I did in the simplest, yet most effective way. You said what I couldn't. You pwn, I mean it.

Dumbazz121, you make extremely valid points. Before I adress any, I must say thank you. You've actually posted what I consider a post worth reading. Other than Arctery and Piggy (who use more of common sense on a side of logical thinking), you used evidence along with my quotes and you touched on specific points. Even though I must admit I have lots to say in return, I have to give you your big-ups. You definitely hold the knowledge that most Maplers lack. You definitely hold my respect.

As for the points you mentioned, I agree with some, not all.

Firstly, when I spoke of speed, I mentioned in a previous post (if not the one you quoted) that the speed I'm talking about is the time it takes from the execution of the move to the results that follow. I agree that the Boosters increse speed by the same amount, don't mistaken that part, but it's not the speed I meant. I don't know how to explain it so you'll understand, but I'll try my best.

Have you ever raced before? Pretend we both have cars. My car and your car have the same parts, the same weight. Acceleration, top speed, all the same. Let's say that Your car is 15 feet long and my car is 5 feet long. WE both start from the starting line. One wins when their complete car passes the finish. Our nose will pass at the same time, but my bumper will be 10 feet in front of yours, so I win.

In comparison, a sin executes his attack from a distance farther than a bandit does. On top of that, most sins shave their own attack style (i.e. jump and shoot), but that's for another day. Either way, we will launch our attack at the same time. Initiation is equal. But My dagger will hit the monster before your stars will. It is because I'm standing at the peak of my distance while you stand at the peak of yours. That's why I said what I said:

initiation of attack ~> dealt damage

When I attack and when you attack will be equal, but surely you'd agree that I will kill it first (and yes, you are right, I AM a bandit).

Sorry if my post became a bit one-sided. Perhaps human instinct compelled me to defend my honor... but I'll clarify as many points as possible.

When I spoke of bandits being men, sins being chumps, I apologize. Yeah, like I said, the human instinct part.... but I don't mean to offend sins. By the way, thanks for not cursing about it, your being calm actually helps me to stay calm. It's honestly a view of mine that real men fight short-range, but it wasn't right to say it like that, expecting others to become followers and nodd in agreement. What I should've said was that sins can't fight that close, whereas bandits dominate the hand-to-hand field. Advantage/disadvantage topic.

There's more points, but I've forgotten half of them, so I'm gonna reread your post and address the next few I remember.

"this kinda makes u seem pro bandit in ur unbiased guide dont u think?? well besides that onward with my research.... well this is probably true because my lvl 55 low dex sin hits way beyond his lvl because of my gear but who says bandits cant have crazy scrolled gear either right?? "

You just proved my point.... low-lvl high-hitters have scrolled gear. In addition, I never said bandits couldn't have scrolled gear, so you just missed that point completely. Lastly, I would have had to be around for a while in order to know what I know. What if I'm pro sin and just don't like my class? That sure sould be a slap in the face for you...

"SINS R BETTER!!!!!!!... and im only saying this by the facts ive known.. and u say in thos quote .. dont knock it til u try it.. i can knock it all i want.. i have both jobs and both r pretty high lvld ."

Yes, you are flaming. The goal is to get people to see that neither class outshines the other, yet you've magnificently managed to evade that point as well. And for you to knock it all you want, it makes you stubborn. Lastly, if you are the only one who knows "the facts," they are not facts.

I must disagree with you flurryous. smartazz does not know what he's talking about. read his post and it's obvious it's either he has no idea what he's talking about or he does not have a hermit or a 6X bandit.

flurryous. first you quadruple posted. people told you not to do so again. now you double posted. *sigh* please use the edit button.

I really don't like having to do this, but I'm going to disprove every single fact stated by smartazz.

1. sins do not like being close up, nor will they ever be. if you're a sin and you're that close to a monster, you fail. I don't think you even play a sin or hermit if you stated you're close up to a monster.
2. I'm in my 3rd job as a chief bandit and I can barely afford pots. why? if I'm not training at zombies, I lose money. bandits burn pots like no other. and no, at 60+ pot money is not chump change. have you not read of those posts of lvl 100+ bandits LOSING money training? but sins shouldn't be losing money, that is true.
3. you obviously didn't read the rest of the thread. bandits and sins do not attack at the same speed. it's been proven. there is a difference, no matter how miniscule it is.
4. this is the most obvious thing wrong with you comparing damage between classes. YOU ARE AN IDIOT. I'm sorry, but it's true. you compare luck and work glove attack. they're the same. you didn't compare weapon atk and stars. and how can a LOW DEX sin (as in true low dex, not semi-low dex) have the same luck as a bandit 5 levels higher? it should have higher luck. instant fail.
5. prove your damage with ss's please.
6. it's easier for sins to have better gear. more options.
7. you only think sins are better because of the obvious. so many people play sins and therefore flood the market with awesomely scrolled stuff and stars.
8. finally... I could possess the max number of mesos allowed and still not reach 'higher potential.' dropping mesos to explode wastes time training if you don't know the quicker method. and what about all those people that know nothing about bandits but have 1XX characters? are you calling them noobs? please think before posting.

smartazz, I seriously disbelieve you have a hermit, 60 bandit, and a 55 low dex. your points are invalid and wrong. you don't prove anything. please provide proof and maybe I'll believe.

I'm sorry if I'm biased. people with extremely poor grammar and english overall tend to make me think you have no idea what you're talking about. and no, I don't count internet shorthand (ex: u, b/c, w/o, ur, imo, etc.) as poor grammar.

no, I'm not saying bandits are better. I'm just disproving all the points made.
and no, I'm not flaming. I only attacked the points made, not smartazz himself.

olaph, please lock this thread. it's getting out of hand.

olaph, please lock this thread. it's getting out of hand.


I KEEP SAYING THAT!!! NO1 IS LISTENING LOL :mad: .

6. it's easier for sins to have better gear. more options.
7. you only think sins are better because of the obvious. so many people play sins and therefore flood the market with awesomely scrolled stuff and stars.



Ontopic: I think the reason so many people play sins and make such good items is because everyone thinks sins are better. If Wizet knew one class was significantly stronger than another then they would change that class. For the most part it was the reason I was a banditsin in early levels, the equipment that is.

Offtopic: Thanks for the comments, I'm still not very good at making signatures but I know how to use layers and I can see how the better ones are made.

well thats why sins got nerfed some patches back (like last year)

same hurt...-_-...this thread is BEGGING to be locked, or....someone going to get flamed..

ok...why the HELL would wizit make a class better? think about it...will that attract more people to one class? if it would...when why the f*ck would wizit have a picture of ALL 4 different classes...and EACH of the characters on a screeny of killing monsters? BECAUSE THE DAMN GAME IS ABOUT PEOPLE WORKING TOGHTER...AND NOT ABOUT SOME CLASS BETTER THEN ANOTHER *huffs*

errm...even though this has nothing to do with the topic, Nexon made MapleStory, not wizet :)

umm...yeah...Bandit vs. Assassins...depends on situations O.o

*EDIT: I have learned so much from this thread...Thank you everyone xD*

errm...even though this has nothing to do with the topic, Nexon made MapleStory, not wizet :)

umm...yeah...Bandit vs. Assassins...depends on situations O.o

*EDIT: I have learned so much from this thread...Thank you everyone xD*
LOL!!! You're welcome, Heartz.

Hurt, I can't find anything to say. You're right, I don't know what I was looking at initially. I read Dumbazz's post and no longer see what I thought I saw before (other than the format of his post). I digress.

By the way, yes, I was told about the quadruple post. However, I was also told that I could post up to twice in a row. So I don't see what I did wrong...

what's with the rant about which class is better and all that crap... games are built for fun people, not to criticize and fight about.

By the way, yes, I was told about the quadruple post. However, I was also told that I could post up to twice in a row. So I don't see what I did wrong...

Whoops. That'd probably be my fault. Sorry for the misinformation, but you can't post two in a row. Just one at a time.

what's with the rant about which class is better and all that crap... games are built for fun people, not to criticize and fight about.
I absolutely agree. That's the main reason why I create ultimates. "Hybrids built for entertainment-like destruction." Well, that's what I call it.

My next piece of work: Luckless Battle Cleric. Everything LUK will be turned to STR (until it can hold Fusion Mace, i think that's the highest one...), then all else revolves around INT. When I make it, look for me. I run a legacy of Floo's, so look for StrontumFloo, LuckyFloo, DJFlooXXL, and, when I make it, FlooWorldBC (BC is Battle Cleric, heh heh heh). I also have an ice wiz whose name I always forget to spell.... i think it's magimpl0zlun...

Anyway, when FlooWorldBC hits the streets of Kerning (bera), look for me (and pq wit me too!!).

thats stupid
just get scrolled snowboard
level 48 snowboard>fusion mace

no offense flurryous, but I think it's best if you didn't make any more controversial topics. this thread is an example of what will come if you make more.

that and you're just making topics that have been made over and over again in the past. just go to sleepywood.net/forum and look at all the guides and debates over classes.

there have been topics over assassins vs bandits and luckless mages.
thanks for trying to advise people but no thanks. your help is not needed.

sorry if I sound too harsh. :(

well i forgot the name of the person who disaproved my post but i think his name wa hurt ot sumtin

erm the only part i agree about wat the part of the "stars" im not exactly sure how to balance that part of with a bandit since bandits only have one weapon to support his attack. and as for me being a failure as a low dex sin, if u re read my post. i said i "made it" so we have same luck. which means i removed some items from my low dex sin to equal the luck of a 60. as for wen you sed i didnt compare weapon attack on weapons that has irrelevance in this, because it is a point of which is "stroger/higher potential". therefor i used the weapon for their current lvl (+7 60%) on both persons. as it is impossible to make the weapon attacks of a bandits weapon = with a sin's (without the use of stars weapon attack)

i also maybe really wrong about that speed of bandit thing.. im gonna have to research that alot more.

and as for proof i dont think i should put it on this thread so i will strt another one as soon as i return home (currently at san fransisco), or in other words in 4 days. yes i could download the game here now, but this is not my computer and would not like to be an ass and just download it.

yes i know my post was biased as flurryious also sed its human nature i guess... and you are also right about the losing money part as 3rd job chief bandit. i do not have a chief bandit and am stil stuck in the 6x. so at this lvl i still have no porblems with potions.. and for my sin well as u said im not losing money training so i have no problems (especially since im the party type who party's with clerics =)

oh and i will prove my dmg with my SS ^^ no worries about that. (it wil be on new thread)

well i guess ur last point about dropping mesos could be a problem for newer people but i have no problem "dropping mesos" to wherever i feel, reason why i made a low dex.

i will make u belive i have a low dex sin (active) , hermit(active sumtimes), bandit(retired)

and if the new thread i will strt is not good eough for u , then i can meet u in game scania server ^^. have a nice day

well have a nice day everyone

@smartazz

you never specified when you said you made your two chars have the same luck. and it doesn't matter. damage calculations are calculated differently for sins and bandits, even if you got the weapons equal or whatever.

I meant by dropping mesos as in using them to train as a chief bandit. using meso explosion. I thought that was clear enough. why would any other class drop mesos to train?

and if you really do have a low dex sin, you shouldn't need to make me believe. you should have said "i will show you I have a low dex sin"

but that's besides the point. even if you do have those characters, that are truly your own, it does not mean you know what you're talking about.

*sigh*

but it's nice to see your grammar's improved. =P

hahah wat a Fag Bag he just joins this forum to argues about some bullshyt.... cry more noob.... get a life...... your more worthless then those who spam hacks cuz atleast they can some idiot to get keylogged what do u gain?? absolutely nothing... jsut to reasure your self that ur g@y bandit doesnt suk... Well too bad cuz it suk ballZZZZZZZ ....like u'll get 50 billion mesos... Guess what.... Brainless Monkey's penis folded in half is still bigger than yours... ooooohhhhhh feel the flames

hahah wat a Fag Bag he just joins this forum to argues about some bullshyt.... cry more noob.... get a life...... your more worthless then those who spam hacks cuz atleast they can some idiot to get keylogged what do u gain?? absolutely nothing... jsut to reasure your self that ur g@y bandit doesnt suk... Well too bad cuz it suk ballZZZZZZZ ....like u'll get 50 billion mesos... Guess what.... Brainless Monkey's penis folded in half is still bigger than yours... ooooohhhhhh feel the flames
TehMaster, or Buck, really that was unnessicary(spellcheck) I thought it was funny, but it was unneeded. Older members from our old forum should set an example to new comers. And this isn't how we use to act. I'm no tthat old, but I can still remember how we treated people back then.
ontopic: Yes I know you are tired of hearing this type of debate, but by creating this thread you are being a hypocryte.

Bandit OWNING -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKtj37vNZRM

Hermit OWNING -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBg_J0-f4NI&eurl=

They are both great lets just leave it at that :rolleyes: .

no this thread is wrong bandit is the best

lol they are really not new comers... they just come to spamm this shyt .... again they are worse than spamming hacks....i hate peopel liek this... come to this forum say some stupid shyt then leave... ethier stay or dont come at all simple as that,...


ne wayz in Glavus i know that hermit ninjamonkeyz lol hes funny

lol they are really not new comers... they just come to spamm this shyt .... again they are worse than spamming hacks....i hate peopel liek this... come to this forum say some stupid shyt then leave... ethier stay or dont come at all simple as that,...


ne wayz in Glavus i know that hermit ninjamonkeyz lol hes funny
You were still out of line, man. Even you can admit to that, right?

I've been gone for a while, ignoring the rant n rave that has followed, becasue people have completely missed the point.

It's not a guide.

It's not a battle of classes.

It's the pure fact that neither class is better.

And Chugalug, you just fucked it up for a lot of us who have settled on a point. There's no better, there's no worse.

And now, just because there's a bandit hypeman in the crowd, i'm ashamed to call myself a bandit. I thought bandits had, if anything, sense.

Evidently, that doesn't apply to everyone.

Also, TehMaster (yes, back to you), don't spam insults. New people come and go, that's how life is. But when you stoop to their level, you make every "veteran" look like.... for lack of a better word.... shit.

Change your attitude and then come back. Otherwise, do us all a favor and keep your ignorance to yourself.

And for the record, talk to your sister about me. She's the closest thing to a monkey, but I hit it anyway, and she can tell you it's a lot bigger than yours. I could chop a monkey's dick off and it'll STILL be bigger than yours. Recognize the message, kid, i'm better than you. Hurt's better than you. Smartazz is better than you. Your sister is prolly better AND bigger than you. Learn your place, boy.