I have gone by the name of Slayde in my gaming life. As a pk I would like to tell you that pk is needed! It is needed because most Ultima Online (UO) veterans say that when they were scared it was the best part of the game, it provides a better community, and we are hunted down by others. This is why PK is important to a games life.

First of all, some veterans from the UO days claim that the most fun they had was when they were scared of being pk at every step. I was pk in Diablo 2 every time I logged in and it only made me stronger, because I learned how to survive in the world better. Uo had the murder-system which was where anyone killed anyone they wanted to wherever they wanted to. I should be able to in this game walk into a Dwarf city as a Chosen and kill anyone there NPC’s included, to hurt the other side. This is what would happen if chosen walked into a Dwarf city. Therefore pk is fun for fear reasons, and it is realistic.

Secondly, it provides a better community. Most older generation/teen generations get really annoyed at kids and players who beg, whine, ****** spam, and tell Chuck Norris jokes. These people fill up the chat systems, and get ignored by others. But, When we kill them when they do this, they stop. If they don’t we kill them again and again. This makes people happy because they don’t have to listen to these people anymore. These players then start to actually play the game. PK makes a great community.

Lastly, people do get annoyed at us, which makes them ask their friends to come kill us. We need to be skillful at what we do because we can be killed at any moment as well. We also need to on the ball because we could be killed at any moment. Killing other players regardless of their level is a good aspect of the game.

For the online gaming world is made up of three different kinds of people: The Wolf, Carebear, and the Hero. The wolf is the PK, and he kills the carebears. The carebears are those who spam, whine, ****** and beg. Carebears go and ask the Hero to save them by killing the Wolves. The Hero is the Anti-PK. They then go and kill the Wolves and are praised for it or they die trying. That is why PK is needed for online gaming.

Hmmm,

*scratches head* "Arrrr a noobie in the role play forums aaaaarrrrrr." "You are nor allowed to post nonsense here Arrr." "Now shooo, before I make yeee walk the plank ARrrr."

first of all im not a n00b i was a feared player throught my gaming career. Secondly, this post is needed becasue the carebears own our servers and we need to take them back by bringing back this effictive method

Look at the section you posted this in, bud. Then you'll understand the noob part of what he's saying.

I'm going to look aside the fact that this is the wrong section.

But seriously, it sounds like you're just zealously supporting what YOU find fun in a MMO, and belittle anyone that thinks otherwise (i.e. the "carebears"). And don't get me wrong, I love PvP. The sadistic pleasure of ruining someone's day in a Ogrimmar Raid, Kurzick and Luxon skirmish, and UO murder is first priority when I play A MMO, but I can see where people are getting at by not wanting PvP at all (Probably because of the above). And you are going to be in the ******* of the century later IRL if you can't bring someone down without the good ol' fist online. Chances are the games you play have some sort of command to block all chat from a certain player, and even so the words from a group of not-dumb-as-hell people can make someone STFU eventually, or at least discourage them to proceed with said STFU.

If you ask me, the better way for a game is to have a PvP and Non-PvP server, or a server with limitations on PvP. The carebears get their fix, and the PvP whores get their fix.

"I think I know what this numb skull is talking about," said a voice from the shadows in the far corner. "and we have a name, you know."

A tall, brown haired man garbed in a black cloak walks out, looking at the speech-giver. He gave a dark smile and from out of nowhere, his arm flew out from under his cloak and a knife stuck into the wall behind the newcomer. A lock of hair fell to the ground, leaving most of the bystanders in awe.

"We're called murderers. Now, get out of here before I make you my next victim."

[OOC: I agree this is the wrong place. I'd just like to say that for a realistic world, 'PKs', or adequately, murderers are needed. Still... please, go to an appropriate board.]

((OOC: I thought the process went like this:

The PKers, or Player Killers, who kill players for fun and amusement, the PCs, or Playable Characters, who play just for the joy of the game and can decide the style of play they want to undertake (possibly that of a PKer or PKKer), and the PKKers, or Player Killer Killers (or another name unknown to me), who take it upon themselves to "hunt" down the PKers and kill them.

However, since this is the wrong thread, this will be locked soon. So, if you care a lot about this, you should probably post it elsewhere, like the General Thread. This Thread is just for RPing, or Role-Playing, (wait, everyone should know that, lol) so unless you are planning to make an online game with PKers, PCs, and PKKers, you should be prepared for this to be locked. :p

And I agree with Fieren. Just like mentioned above, each player seeks something different in the game. Some might want to kill other players, some might want to kill these players, and some might just want to fight monsters, find rare items, help the weak, heal those that are injured, etc. ))

Boo-hoo, you don't get to kill everyone you see, how terrible. Did it ever occur to you that not all people log onto a game to be "in fear" all of the time? That some of your "carebears" might just want to unwind on some computer baddies with no feelings or remorse if you torture them to death? I agree with Fieren on the server/separation thing; you can have your war, and I can have my peace. Everyone is happy, except probably you, because people like you are never happy or satisfied.

Right, and moved to Free MMORPG section.

PK is ok but i think.. killing noobs is.. too mutch of it, i personaly suggest pk on/off modes for sutch buisness

Pk should be limited to zones otherwise the newbies are gonna be discouraged from playing a game, look at .hack//Roots, Haseo, but i love Pk cause otherwise my favorite hidden job of all games wouldn't exist, the pkk :p

first of all im not a n00b i was a feared player throught my gaming career. Secondly, this post is needed becasue the carebears own our servers and we need to take them back by bringing back this effictive method

You aren't feared here bud. Now go promote your false sense of self-worth else where.

Nobody fears people online, if they do they're in a worse frame of mind than you are. Pks are annoying if they're allowed to run free anywhere in the world. So far the only game i've played that's actually done pking right was runescape. People go into the "wilderness" and know what can go down, thats that.

On PK based mmorpg, you'll just random BR clans as zergs Pking everyone and blocking some areas...
good luck to your hero for killing a virtual army of no-lifers.

Oh, and I am loved throughout my time on mmorpgs. Being loved > Feared.

I personally don't like PK, i like how Talisman does it, its completely optional.

I agree, games were originally competitive sports for those too fragile to pay real sports. Getting rid of the competitive gets rid of the history.

Yup PK/PvP is a vital part of MMORPGs.

That is why LoTR is growing in population......um no thats not it.

Regnum Online has a great balance concerning this aspect. You choose a realm to live in. Inside that realm, no player can touch you (unless you go to the designated PvP zone, deemed the Arena or Colosseum). However, once you leave your realm, you enter the War Zone, and it's every man for himself. The only ones that can't attack you are your realm mates. In the future, there even may be realm invasions, but no one knows yet.

This is the exact type of PvP I enjoy. Not blood-thirsty brazilians ganking you to hell like in Tibia.

I think a good game needs PVP but not nessescarily PK. I don't mind competition but randoms killings are annoying. I hate to constantly mention PSU but it did have a pretty decent community without PVP/PK.

This is the exact type of PvP I enjoy. Not blood-thirsty brazilians ganking you to hell like in every mmo.

Hehe thats more like it.

I enjoy PK. Who's to say that PK is wrong? The people that don't like it? pfft... what about us guys that do like it?

Like i've said i like it but when it's well implemented.

Nice generalization slayde, so apparently if you don't like PVP your a whiney, spammy, noob in every game? Might need to rework your thought on that.

A good game should always give players options, like pvp, pk and non-pvp servers etc... shouldn't really just focus on one.

Thats stupid, most of the roleplayer and friendly helpers are '' care bears '' of which you are talking like an idiot, everybody has their tastes and its not everybody that likes to be lvl 5 and to get repetitively PKed by a lvl 80... I personally am somewhere between the carebear and the hero, I hate most PKs, most of thems are 1337 dumbasses with no feelings nor remorse I just like to kill those..

I personally like PVP but not free PK, I like PVP in RO : Fight between guilds for castles or duel in the arenas..

I don't know about you guys, but I played Guildwars for the story, I disliked its PVP. Then again, Guildwars is technically not an MMO.

MMO's do not need PvP too make them good they need end game content passed PvP things like in-depth crafting systems, lots of events, raids, life skills, etc. PK is for people who want feel superior by going too low lvl areas and killing unsuspecting newbs.

yeah.. not all players love PK.. and not all game need it to..

if its a standard rule to have pk in any game its like saying that
1:you have to eat a fridge full of ice cream at the Snowy Area with only wearing summer clothes
2:Wearing a jacket and eating super spicy food at the desert;)

(and one thing for me.. i really HATE PK .. for me the only true purpose of PK is to discourage and stress out player and thats why i hate it)

(and one thing for me.. i really HATE PK .. for me the only true purpose of PK is to discourage and stress out player and thats why i hate it)

Same here. I simply don't play games that don't have non-PK channels (or non-PK channels that allow PK, like in Cabal EU). I don't really see the point of playing a game if I don't like it.

Believe it or not, different people have different expectations from games. Some want to PK, others do not.

first of all im not a n00b i was a feared player throught my gaming career. Secondly, this post is needed becasue the carebears own our servers and we need to take them back by bringing back this effictive method

Could it be that you are mistaking virtual worlds for reallife ?
btw. PK sounds so 2005 -f2p-korean-grind-mmo-ish

I play for PvP.
One thing I dont like is people crying coz they get killed over and over by someone from another faction in a Faction vs Faction MMO.
Dont you think they choosed the wrong game ?

And yes PvP/PK is good for a game. If it was 100% PvE only, people would get bored rather quickly.
It's the drama, the conflicts, the wars that make people stay and play a game.

Could it be that you are mistaking virtual worlds for reallife ?
btw. PK sounds so 2005 -f2p-korean-grind-mmo-ish

I'm sorry, what do you propose we call it? Oh you're also a wow player, so you prob say gank. FYI ganking is to steal, its the first and only way i'll use the word. PK is player killing and fits the bill perfectly for killing another players avatar.

Well playing as a Bishop on Lineage2 (For those who don't know, Bishop=the best healer in the game), what am I supposed to do after getting PKed? Heal them to death?

Ok, so they PKed me once, and took my Armor Tunic that took me a while to craft, that's fine... But when I reach a stage where all they do is come PK me and EVEN sending my guild back at them won't help, cause they just respawn and come back, I am STILL losing exp here... And to add to that, I reached a situation where each death costed me around 3 hours of lvling...

All in all, I don't see how that's fun to me or many other players in any way~ Carebear? fine, if you want to call me that, that's fine, but I still am playing a game for fun, and losing items and exp im working hard for- Is NOT fun.

Needless to say, I figured Lineage2 is not for me (Took a while though XD) And have left the game... Anyway, that's why different games exsist... Just play the one that you like the most~

if its a standard rule to have pk in any game its like saying that
1:you have to eat a fridge full of ice cream at the Snowy Area with only wearing summer clothes
2:Wearing a jacket and eating super spicy food at the desert;)


Got to be the 2 worst comparaison I've seen in a while.

You dont see people living in the desert with light clothes. You will notice that they do wear rather thick clothes. You'll only see tourists in tshirt and shorts ...

As for spicy food, let me guess .... that must be why Norwegian food is so spicy .. oh wait ....
Spicy food comes from warm countries, for the most part. So it's safe to believe that eating spicy food in a warm environment is not as dumb as it seems.

No PK to me equals no fun.

Those who in favor of no PK must like games like Maplestory.

But I have to have competition in battling it out.

Fighting is a must in online gaming for me, And having the freedom to slay someone for benefits either bad or good is still a plus.

Bad meaning like in silkroad which is still good.

So to me PK is good to have.

I'm sorry, what do you propose we call it? Oh you're also a wow player, so you prob say gank. FYI ganking is to steal, its the first and only way i'll use the word. PK is player killing and fits the bill perfectly for killing another players avatar.

This is the second time someone tries to "flame" me and fails due to pure reading problem. Read again, see the QUIT? It means im a former WoW-player and please don't assume you know the intent of my post just because I'm a WoW-player, in other words stop your stereotypical thinking, it's childish and dumm.

I'll let you hear my oppinion about your so called PKing.
The actual pk system or act of pking is plain boring and not worth mentioning imho(in my honest oppinion to those who don't know the meaning) and has nothing to do with actual game mechanics and gaming as such. PvP thats what it's all about not just the killing itself but rather the whole system from battlegrounds to siegewars and the corresponding reward system and / or gameplay assets, in other terms, the game mechanics. This brings up the issue most f2p games (and more than a few p2p) have going on, namely their pure lack of innovation and deep or even decent game mechanics at that.

Now I can "ravage" on and on about this topic but I don't want to stray to far from the actual purpose of this post.

Sorry had a bad day and felt like saying my oppinion.

In wow pvp is lame...

(ssry got to say)

I preffer pvp like Sotnw

or guildwars(but i dont think i be see-ing that in another mmo for atleast a long time.(im hyped for GW 2 .))

I play for PvP.
One thing I dont like is people crying coz they get killed over and over by someone from another faction in a Faction vs Faction MMO.
Dont you think they choosed the wrong game ?

And yes PvP/PK is good for a game. If it was 100% PvE only, people would get bored rather quickly.
It's the drama, the conflicts, the wars that make people stay and play a game.



If all you do is PK at end game you will bored rather quickly as well try playing a game that is fairly old with mandatory PK on all maps a lvl 120s come and kill you then see how much you love PK. >_>

In wow pvp is lame...

(ssry got to say)

I preffer pvp like Sotnw

or guildwars(but i dont think i be see-ing that in another mmo for atleast a long time.(im hyped for GW 2 .))

To each its own, not only does the liking of people differ but also the aspect in pvp which is important to them. For me the PvP has to be atleast somewhat skill-based and the pvp gameplay, and with this i mean gamePLAY the part where you PLAY has to be fun. To me being a high-level and competing with other high-level players is fun in itself if the gameplay, the actual thing im doing, playing, is fun. There is no feature that can make a boring game fun to play on the long run. This is actualy why I was or am so addicted to WoW, I love the gameplay, of course wow has its downsides like it being grind-fest / repetetive but it depends how you weigh the different aspects. I for one find gameplay to be the most important factor.

To each its own, not only does the liking of people differ but also the aspect in pvp which is important to them. For me the PvP has to be atleast somewhat skill-based and the pvp gameplay, and with this i mean gamePLAY the part where you PLAY has to be fun. To me being a high-level and competing with other high-level players is fun in itself if the gameplay, the actual thing im doing, playing, is fun. There is no feature that can make a boring game fun to play on the long run.

But of course this is my oppinion.

Then u must love guildwars....

Then u must love guildwars....

The thing with guild wars is that the movement is very limited, of course i'm not denying the fact that guild wars is skill-based but the movement and instancing (if there actualy is such a word) pretty much made me quit after 2 days of playing.

At first i quit too...due(instancing etc)

but, after i re-tried and got further in the game, got into a guild..

its So awsome..

I love it now 0_0

..

I enjoy PvP, but in most cases I prefer when you need the other player's consent in order to kill them. (Like a Duel Request feature)

i look to pvp as endgame stuff.
everything eventually leads to pvp...

If all you do is PK at end game you will bored rather quickly as well try playing a game that is fairly old with mandatory PK on all maps a lvl 120s come and kill you then see how much you love PK. >_>

All the games I play are mandatory PvP.
For instance RF Online is mandatory PvP on all maps (but the HQs map).
Our race settlements get raided constantly. And when I say contanstly, I mean to a point people cant xp in that area anymore.
I've been a lowbie too, I've been ganked countless times, been oneshotted by higher levels more than I could even remember.
Now I'm one of the people in charge of my race, dealing with raiders, organizing raids, leading them to war.

Furthermore, what else do you want to do at endgame ? Endgame as in, you completed the game content. Nothing left to be done except interacting with other players. One of the most popular interaction being : Beating on eachother.

I love balanced group PvP, I love ganking lowbies, I love fighting against all odds, I love mass pvp with hundreds of player, I love making a perfect spike with my party, I like killing people and rubbing it in their face, I like to die, I like to have fun, I like to pvp to have fun.

Yup, that's what I like, and that's what keep me playing a game where I have completed all the content.