Any1 know of any good fast past mmo like gunz or RyL but not room bast

wait fast past o.O don't u mean fast pace?

Lol yes he does, and the only fast pace games I can think of right now that's not room-based would be RYL, RYL2. And that's about it.

fast pace.. hmm ghost online. search it = )

Ragnarok Online?

Ragnarok Online is fast pace? I never knew that. Wow...

Any1 know of any good fast past mmo like gunz or RyL but not room bast

Room based =/= MMO.

Hm...Conquer Online? All you gotta do is get pleveled..and you can like be level 70 in a day...

endless ages.

project powder ^_^

Hm...Conquer Online? All you gotta do is get pleveled..and you can like be level 70 in a day...

Yeah. The game consists of grind, CS, and PVP. Back in the day when it as pretty much just grind and PvP it was alot neater. But it still has it's charms. In a oh-god-why-do-I-still-log-into-this, sort of way.

Ragnarok Online is fast pace? I never knew that. Wow...

It is at higher levels and depending on the class.

PI story try it :D

Yes, RO is fast paced in the higher end WoEs. Like...very.

I can link you proof if you want.

project powder ^_^

Yea that game rox tough its in CB atm. Tough wasn't everyone able to register now? XD

the pi story home page wont come up for me X( it looks koow too

Yea that game rox tough its in CB atm. Tough wasn't everyone able to register now? XD

Project Powder don't like Routers. - @-;

How about Diablo2..
Everybody forgets about Diablo ):

Room based =/= MMO.

I would love to debate this.

Go play Rakion.

How about Diablo2..
Everybody forgets about Diablo ):

Diablo isn't a MMORPG.

Diablo isn't a MMORPG.

I don't give a shit about your technical terms.
Play the god damn game if you want an ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME that is FAST PACED

I don't give a shit about your technical terms.
Play the god damn game if you want an ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME that is FAST PACED

Wah, calm down and read the topic.

Any1 know of any good fast past mmo like gunz or RyL but not room bast

Wah, calm down and read the topic.


I don't care.
You don't seem to realize that.
I'm sticking to my recommendation weather he specifically asked for a non room based game or not.

play lunia

SCREW YOUR ROOM BASED RULES!!

I don't care.
You don't seem to realize that.
I'm sticking to my recommendation weather he specifically asked for a non room based game or not.


Well... the OP specified he didn't want a room based game, so you are going off-topic. Maybe you should've created your own topic promoting your game or not posted at all, Mr I-don't-care, since you can't be bothered to read the topic.

And get some haircut, it's no wonder you couldn't read it in the first place.

I don't give a shit about your technical terms.
Play the god damn game if you want an ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME that is FAST PACED

OK, its Online, its game but its nto a ROLE PLAYING game, whats your role in the game, to say "OMG WTF NUBZ" ????? this is not role play, the gender of Dibalo is HACK&SLASH or what so ever but not RPG-_-


I dont give a damn if you like the terms or not :D

MMORPG means Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.

It Doesnt means, Massive Multiplayer Online At the Same Map Role Playing Game.

It doenst matter if it is or not room based... Lunia is room based, and it has massive amunt of people that plays it at the same time. Its Multiplayer cause you can play with all those people. Is online, need Internetz. Its a Role Playing Game, cuz you play a role.


So Lunia is a MMORPG.

Project Powder is not an MMORPG, it's an MMO Sports game, this too is room based and it's in closed beta. Can't call it an MMO IMO because it's room...

Project Powder:

Massive? Yes, A bunch of people playing it at the same time.
Multiplayer? Yes, you play with other people.
Online? Yes, you need internetz.


Project Powder = MMO.

Project Powder:

Massive? Yes, A bunch of people playing it at the same time.
Multiplayer? Yes, you play with other people.
Online? Yes, you need internetz.


Project Powder = MMO.

The term has been detracted over the years. MMORPG used to only include games with a "massive amount of users playing simultaneously on a same and persisting world".
Most online games are called MMO* nowadays, so I'd say you are right.

The term has been detracted over the years. MMORPG used to only include games with a "massive amount of users playing simultaneously on a same and persisting world".
Most online games are called MMO* nowadays, so I'd say you are right.

BECAUSE WIKIPEDIA SAYS SO? (yes)

Ye... Everyone playing simultaneously at the same and persisting world = MMORPG.. Cuz you play a role, and your actions can affect other people roles, cuz theyre playing the same enviroment as you.

Other games = MMO... Massive amount of people playing at the same time, but not in the same and persisting world.


And then, we have alot of types of mmos..

MMOFPS
MMORTS
etc
etc
etc

BECAUSE WIKIPEDIA SAYS SO?

Who mentioned Wikipedia? This is how it used to be from my experience. Diablo 2 was never called a MMORPG back in the days, just a RPG with online multiplayer mode while Ragnarok Online was. They both were released at about the same time (2000~2001).

OK, its Online, its game but its nto a ROLE PLAYING game, whats your role in the game, to say "OMG WTF NUBZ" ????? this is not role play, the gender of Dibalo is HACK&SLASH or what so ever but not RPG-_-


I dont give a damn if you like the terms or not :D

Not an RPG?
You play a character, which is sent on quests to basically in the end kill Diablo.

Your role is that character.
role play doesn't essentially mean talking like the person,etc , but more or less taking control of the person

Diablo II, sequel to the game Diablo, is a dark fantasy-themed action role-playing game in a hack and slash or "Dungeon Roaming" style.

the gender of Dibalo is HACK&SLASH

So sig-worthy..

Who mentioned Wikipedia? This is how it used to be from my experience. Diablo 2 was never called a MMORPG back in the days, just a RPG with online multiplayer mode while Ragnarok Online was. They both were released at about the same time (2000~2001).

Massively multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPG) are a genre of computer role-playing games (CRPGs) in which a large number of players interact with one another in a virtual world. The term MMORPG was coined by Richard Garriott, the creator of Ultima Online, the game credited with popularizing the genre in 1997.

Which part there says it can't be room based.
Either way you still interact with other players in a virtual world.

Who mentioned Wikipedia? This is how it used to be from my experience. Diablo 2 was never called a MMORPG back in the days, just a RPG with online multiplayer mode while Ragnarok Online was. They both were released at about the same time (2000~2001).

massive amount of users playing simultaneously on a same and persisting world".


hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet, and feature at least one persistent world

AMAZING, it sounds the same!

Also to your MMO term fags, I have a predicament, I run a Counter-Strike (room based game) dedicated server, 100 slot filled with 99 bots, so the sever is on 24/7, and it looks like a persistent world to me. GUESS WHAT GUYS, CS IS NOW A MMO, GRATS.

EDIT: Bolded shit for no reason!

Which part there says it can't be room based.
Either way you still interact with other players in a virtual world.

But can a basic room interface be considered a "virtual world"?
Wouldn't IRC or a forum be MMORPG then?

So you play a role at IRc?

Do you play a Role at the forums?


OMG, wait up imma gonna slay an orc thats smashing my "Post Quick Reply" button.

AMAZING, it sounds the same!

Also to your MMO term fags, I have a predicament, I run a Counter-Strike (room based game) dedicated server, 100 slot filled with 99 bots, so the sever is on 24/7, and it looks like a persistent world to me. GUESS WHAT GUYS, CS IS NOW A MMO, GRATS.

EDIT: Bolded shit for no reason!

Yes, it is indeed a "persisting world"... until you changelevel... genius.

But can a basic room interface be considered a "virtual world"?
Wouldn't IRC or a forum be MMORPG then?


MMORPG's under your definition consist of seperate servers, and one giant world.

MMORPG's under MY definition can consist of that, and or rooms created by users.

Are servers not TECHNICALLY the same as rooms? Rooms may be created by players but all aspects of that virtual world are on them like a server.

Yes, it is indeed a "persisting world"... until you changelevel... genius.

24/7 de_dust2 party.

rcon mp_timelimit 0 (Infinite)

OLOOK AT THAT. I AM A GENIUS.

AMAZING, it sounds the same!

Also to your MMO term fags, I have a predicament, I run a Counter-Strike (room based game) dedicated server, 100 slot filled with 99 bots, so the sever is on 24/7, and it looks like a persistent world to me. GUESS WHAT GUYS, CS IS NOW A MMO, GRATS.

EDIT: Bolded shit for no reason!


The second M on MMO means Multiplayer.

99 bots doesnt count as Multiplaying.

The second M on MMO means Multiplayer.

99 bots doesnt count as Multiplaying.

The 100th slot is for me to join. Or I could make 98 bots, and get a friend. GOOD ENOUGH.

MMORPG's under your definition consist of seperate servers, and one giant world.

MMORPG's under MY definition can consist of that, and or rooms created by users.

Are servers not TECHNICALLY the same as rooms? Rooms may be created by players but all aspects of that virtual world are on them like a server.

Yes, technically. But the 'massive' aspect isn't the same when you can meet 100+ players in a persisting world, rather than see a list of 100s usernames in your room interface, where the actual games are limited to only a handful.

Yes, technically. But the 'massive' aspect isn't the same when you can meet 100+ players in a persisting world, rather than see a list of 100s usernames in your room interface, where the actual games are limited to only a handful.

Massive can also mean the amount of players actually playing the game.

For example, a user made RPG that is online, can consist of 5 currently playing people, I doubt it would be labeled as a massive.

24/7 de_dust2 party.

rcon mp_timelimit 0 (Infinite)

OLOOK AT THAT. I AM A GENIUS.

Neat trick.
I haven't played CS in like 5 years, so I don't remember everything but won't the game have to restart at some point? When a side reaches a certain amount of points? And won't a player who leaves and come back will have his kills/money reset? That's still not "persisting".

YOU ARE ALL OFFTOPIC

As for the topic question : I can only think of ROW / RYL Sorry not much help :(

The 100th slot is for me to join. Or I could make 98 bots, and get a friend. GOOD ENOUGH.

First M means massive. 2 doesnt count as massive. You need at least 4.

And also, Counter Strike doesnt have advancing on gameplay. You dont get ranks like CombatArms, you dont get level as gunz, you dont get nothing.

Someone who just start playing can have the same thing as someone who plays for 3 years.

So No, Cs will never count as a MMO.



A room based game can be a MMO if, when i play in a room, if i get lvl 9 in that room, after i leave it and enter another room, ill still be lvl 9.

So, in a massive game, everything i get on a room, or on a match, ill be able to use it on other rooms that didnt even saw me getting it.

Neat trick.
I haven't played CS in like 5 years, so I don't remember everything but won't the game have to restart at some point? When a side reaches a certain amount of points? And won't a player who leaves and come back will have his kills/money reset? That's still not "persisting".

But the bots and other people are still playing without you being there, ALSO if it was a WC3 or SUPERHERO server, your skills wont be reset once you re-enter. Money, yes. Kills, IF THERE IS /RANK on the server NO.

And the server would never change level, regardless of the amount of kills anyone got or time, a year of it being open, it'll still be de_dust2.

/facepalm...

@Drawnzer
okay, is dungeon siege II and mmorpg because it has a online mode?

Drawnzer = lose
Anrick = win

BTW: you are VERY stuborn and do not know when to drop it.

AoC... if you play as an archer you go into a FPS view, i think when you play as melee classes it still maintains is action theme.

@Drawnzer
okay, is dungeon siege II and mmorpg because it has a online mode?

Drawnzer = lose
Anrick = win

BTW: you are VERY stuborn and do not know when to drop it.

AoC... if you play as an archer you go into a FPS view, i think when you play as melee classes it still maintains is action theme.

Never played Dungeon Siege II so I can't really answer that, and I lose? How so. the points I provided are pretty easy to understand, an MMORPG stands for MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME, Diablo is massive, its multiplayer, its online, and it's an rpg. Tell me where I went off track.

Never played Dungeon Siege II so I can't really answer that, and I lose? How so. the points I provided are pretty easy to understand, an MMORPG stands for MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME, Diablo is massive, its multiplayer, its online, and it's an rpg. Tell me where I went off track.

I would classify Diablo as an ORPG and leave it at that. The main difference between that and a MMORPG is the MMORPG has a persistent online world, the ORPG is off when you turn it off. Also why does it look like you're flicking me off in your avatar!? >:( I have feelings too!

Could you guys shut the hell up and get on topic?
Besides debting which game is better and shit?

Play Lunia. It's fast paced. It's a good to play.

I would classify Diablo as an ORPG and leave it at that. The main difference between that and a MMORPG is the MMORPG has a persistent online world, the ORPG is off when you turn it off. Also why does it look like you're flicking me off in your avatar!? >:( I have feelings too!

Lol I had to like, stretch my fingers to press the god damn button, I hate the damn camera ):

Do u seek a

Wham Bam! kadang! rrr... bom. bom bom bom bom. aaaaaaassasaaaaasaa.. woesh pim pom., bats game?

Try 3feel




on-topic


Mythos is pretty fast

Sorry to interupt this extreeemly OT discussion...

People are screaming for a really good, really fast paced mmorpg. Where you get the real rpg element in a consitant, non roombased game.

When RYL was in beta, probably was 5 years ago, i played it alot and that sat the new real mmostandard for me. It might sound strange, the game missed alot of things that all the other mmos had, but it was so outstanding in one way, and that was in the PvE and in PvP. I have never felt more in control of my character in any mmo ever since. The game just blew all others away, even today except a few others. Its the only f2p game with a real intense gameingexperience.

I havent played AoC yet, and not planning to buy it either. But i have a feeling it's setting the new standards how a mmorpg should be constructed as far as for PvP and PvE. Finally it takes some skill, rather then just having the sickest equipment to beat you opponent. I got a job now and i guess my time as a real mmogeek is pretty much over. But the day a nice and f2p game will be released, something like AoC or Darkfall (Looks KICKASS) i'll think over that job...

Its really obvious what people are starting to crave from the MMO developercompanies. It wasn't all that clear just six months ago when people were craving WASD or else they would just hate the game, not even consider try it. Now that aint enough, now we want an Third Person Shooter feel in a nice, consistant massive, non roombased world! With combos, dodging and fast paced action!

Dont ya'll agree?

/Pardon my English, im from Sweden!

LOL so funny.
we should shoot they guy who thought of the MMORPG term.
could have at least made it something easier to pronounce lol
but everyone has their own opinion on mmos.

but the true term is you need to be on together in one world. Even guild wars was close to a mmo bcuz everyone is together in one town but still they didnt call themself a mmo for a reason wen they could have.

halo is not a mmo.
if room base was a mmo i would call grand theft auto a mmo now -.-

no.


on topic: cabal 2moons and ROW

Never played Dungeon Siege II so I can't really answer that, and I lose? How so. the points I provided are pretty easy to understand, an MMORPG stands for MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME, Diablo is massive, its multiplayer, its online, and it's an rpg. Tell me where I went off track.

You should not make the massive and the multiplayer seperate. That's why Diablo always only will remain an ORPG. You do not play in masses.

Maybe...Cabal? it's not fast at first, but it gets faster pace when you get combos, then it only gets the more skills you get. give it a try it's a fun game, one of the few i've stuck with for a while.:)

You should not make the massive and the multiplayer seperate. That's why Diablo always only will remain an ORPG. You do not play in masses.

Yay, I was waiting for someone to dare to make that point.

Tell me one game where you don't separate the massive and the multiplayer? One game were you play in masses?

Almost every single online game, if not every single online game, has a limit. In room-based games the limit is often eight. What's the limit in a lot of games such as Rohan and other "MMORPGs"? Probably around eight as well.


There is NO game where you play multiplayer massively! NONE! Massive would be about 100 people at least in a party. At least.


You're fighting a monster, someone else is fighting a monster three feet away from you. THAT'S NOT MULTIPLAYER.

There, I'm done.

I don't care.
You don't seem to realize that.
I'm sticking to my recommendation weather he specifically asked for a non room based game or not.
i think your an idiot>_>

Yay, I was waiting for someone to dare to make that point.

Tell me one game where you don't separate the massive and the multiplayer? One game were you play in masses?

Almost every single online game, if not every single online game, has a limit. In room-based games the limit is often eight. What's the limit in a lot of games such as Rohan and other "MMORPGs"? Probably around eight as well.


There is NO game where you play multiplayer massively! NONE! Massive would be about 100 people at least in a party. At least.


You're fighting a monster, someone else is fighting a monster three feet away from you. THAT'S NOT MULTIPLAYER.

There, I'm done.


Your an idiot. Massively Multiplayer means thousands of players playing in a single persistant world. Rohan is that...the party size doesnt matter. Diablo is room based...you join rooms maxing at 8 people. Theres no massive world everyone goes in. Even if your not interacting with each other...your still in the same world "playing" together. Get it?

Look up the proper term please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMO)

i think your an idiot>_>

I think your a tool.
Pretty even if you ask me.

Your an idiot. Massively Multiplayer means thousands of players playing in a single persistant world. Rohan is that...the party size doesnt matter. Diablo is room based...you join rooms maxing at 8 people. Theres no massive world everyone goes in. Even if your not interacting with each other...your still in the same world "playing" together. Get it?

Look up the proper term please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMO)

If I am an idiot I can't even explain what you are.

Look up multiplayer dumbass, and tell me what it means. What the fuck are you talking about, what would you call the 'lobby' in Diablo 2? That's a world that everyone goes in. It's called Battle.net. Just like the 'world' you're saying you go in on other "MMORPGs" is a server, which is named whatever the server is named.

Also, check your link now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMO

It says Diablo 2 is a MMO, isn't Wikipedia great?


Honestly, your point was shit. At least come at me with good points. No massive world in Diablo 2? Have you even played the game ffs? Plus, who brought up Diablo 2? Let's change this to Guild Wars, now you have an interactive "massive world", so come at that one smart ass.

Conquer online is pretty fast 'past'

Since when did this become the "Defintion of MMORPG" thread?
On-topic: Alot of games are fast pace, for example, I remember doing alot of fast paced stuff on an L2 castle seige. Or you can do a WoE in RO. Stuff like that is fast pace to me.

Been trying to find the same thing. Tried DDO cause someone told me the control were silmilar to RYL but I don't see it as a pvp game, and its p2p =(.

I think we should stick to using the term MMORPG for games like EQ or Wow, like they were ment to be used for. With all these people finding loop holes to the definition we can pretty much now say any online game is an MMO and we all know thats not true... also very idiotic

-Sorry for my spelling and grammar

If I am an idiot I can't even explain what you are.

Look up multiplayer dumbass, and tell me what it means. What the fuck are you talking about, what would you call the 'lobby' in Diablo 2? That's a world that everyone goes in. It's called Battle.net. Just like the 'world' you're saying you go in on other "MMORPGs" is a server, which is named whatever the server is named.

Also, check your link now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMO

It says Diablo 2 is a MMO, isn't Wikipedia great?


Honestly, your point was shit. At least come at me with good points. No massive world in Diablo 2? Have you even played the game ffs? Plus, who brought up Diablo 2? Let's change this to Guild Wars, now you have an interactive "massive world", so come at that one smart ass.

Your not getting my point. Diablo 2 is room based because you create rooms and people join to play capping at 8 players. It doesn't have a open world where thousands of players play in (example WoW, Rohan, Flyff) and is persistant...meaning its always running even when your not. Massively Multiplayer is COMPLETELY differant from just Multiplayer. Also, the link I showed clearly says:

However, the boundaries between multiplayer online games and MMOGs are not always as clear or obvious. Neverwinter Nights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverwinter_Nights) (2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002)) and Diablo II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_II) are usually called online role-playing games, (RPGs) but are also sometimes incorrectly called MMORPGs (a type of MMOG).If everyone thought like you we would every call every game that had multiplayer a MMO and we'd never be able to distinguish between the two.

woops..ignore the grammar mistake I made on the bottom...edit button isn't working for me... It won't show the text underneath the quote thingy to edit.

First M means massive. 2 doesnt count as massive. You need at least 4.

It is massive, that's what the 99/98 bots are for, no one said they had to be human to be massive. And it's still multiplayer with 2 people playing.

And also, Counter Strike doesnt have advancing on gameplay. You dont get ranks like CombatArms, you dont get level as gunz, you dont get nothing.

Getting levels or ranks doesn't define it as a MMO. But just to be the devil's advocate, I've officially made the server into a 24/7 superhero mod server, where levels, exp, and skills are gained.

EDIT: Also added /rank to the server.

Someone who just start playing can have the same thing as someone who plays for 3 years.

Read above. A person playing Superhero more than a new person will have an advantage.


Looks like CS is still a MMO. Wait till I tell they guys on Steam about this! THEY'LL BE SO EXCITED!

Your not getting my point. Diablo 2 is room based because you create rooms and people join to play capping at 8 players. It doesn't have a open world where thousands of players play in (example WoW, Rohan, Flyff) and is persistant...meaning its always running even when your not. Massively Multiplayer is COMPLETELY differant from just Multiplayer. Also, the link I showed clearly says:

If everyone thought like you we would every call every game that had multiplayer a MMO and we'd never be able to distinguish between the two.

woops..ignore the grammar mistake I made on the bottom...edit button isn't working for me... It won't show the text underneath the quote thingy to edit.

You obviously didn't understand my point.

1) You can't use Wikipedia as a source. Sorry that you weren't able to pick that up from my last post, but I made it as obvious as possible. It's a free site where anyone can edit at anytime. The information is not always correct, and is not accurate a lot of the time.

2) No one gives a shit what the definition is. You can't put a definition on a term like that, because it was made up and then passed around. No one ever decided on an actual definition. Next you'll see people debating over whether "lol" stands for laughing out loud or laugh out loudly. Oh noez!

3) There is a constant world, it's just divided up into instanced rooms. If there wasn't a constant world, I wouldn't be able to get an item in one room, go to another, and sell it to someone in that room. You've got to understand, for thousands of people to have characters that can interact with each other, there must be a constant world running.

actually.....Developers that are smart knoes the difference. why do u think blizzard didnt call diablo a mmo
why do u think ncsoft didnt call guildwars a mmo
why do u think world of warcraft IS a mmo
-.-

some company may make a mistake sometimes and call them mmo but blizzard and ncsoft knoes what they talking about.



What kind of game is Guild Wars?

Guild Wars is a global online roleplaying game.


See now we get GORPG lol
they are not even sure what to call GW really
i remember it used to be something else but they know to never call it a mmo cuz i dunt kno...... they have brains?



Edit: oh there we go its called a Competitive Online Role-Playing Game

Wow, you guys are the one of the most thick headed people I've seen. Stick to the topic or its infractions.

All the flawed mmorpg arguements aside....

Fast paced is a term that is too broad to actually answer.

Do you mean fast paced as in fast combat? fast leveling? fast what?

If you mean fast leveling... mmorpgs are not going to do this for you. MMORPGs are generally slow paced as far as that goes. Most games especially free to play mmorpgs are insanely slow leveling grind whore games.

About the only one that I can think of that actually has an ok player base size would be Shadowbane. You can level extremely quick in this game, as the PvE is not the point. It has fast leveling so you can end game PvP and such very quickly.

Now, if you want fast paced, you may have to look into a slightly different genre.

Room Based RPG:

For example, Diablo 2. This is not an mmorpg. It is simply an action (hack n slash) RPG with room based online play. If you play on battle.net it is extremely fun. You can get level 80 in a matter of hours, and from there it turns into mostly a loot hunt. But, it is very fast paced, and probably one of the best games ever made.

Instanced Based MMO-ish RPG:

Also, another genre, would be Guild Wars. It is just an online rpg as well. I would say that this genre that this game falls into is somewhat in between an mmorpg and a room based rpg. The towns and such are like the battlenet chat rooms, although graphical. They are the multiplayer hubs. Still though, you only ever adventure with your group and do not run into other people in the wild. This game is also extremely quick to level, after which you continue through the game trying to unlock more skills, and get better gear (and quest of course).


Aside from those games, most are slow leveling with somewhat of a grind.

knight online, exteel, conquer