There is a elementary school in korea called Seolbong. this school has a violent 5th grade teacher, this student whined to his parents about his teacher. Everyone in his class disliked this teacher for being scary, mean and violent. the parents thought, the children that got spanked have done something wrong. They didn't listen!

the 5th grade student made a decision, he risked the consequences and planned to take a video of his 5th grade teacher spanking his class mates. To show his parents that this is further than serious, what a coincidence?!
2 of his class mates started a fight on an arguement! the fight got worse, and the other kids tried to stop the fight.

The teacher caught them fighting, and everyone returned to the class room, the teacher got a broomstick and spanked his bottom 13 times and smacked him on the head every time he tried to cover his bottoms. (that is 4 smackings on the head) the student that started the fight got spanked 17 times and the other students recieved 5 hits including the
students that tried to stop the fight.

It MIGHT NOT look TOO serious on this video, it is because this was taken by a student on a cellphone. Here is the video for proof.

THIS IS REAL!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyk2DLhoJzs

The student showed the video to his parents, they have finally noticed how violent this teacher was. this was a bit too much of abusement...
They have tried everything to make that Teacher go to a trial. but they have failed.. The 5th grade teacher has now been replaced and the previous teacher has been fired.

Everyone on the internet was crazy about this video, the teacher should have lost his teaching license. in the future, this guy will go to another school to beat up MORE children.

The student also mentioned that the previous teacher enjoyed beating up children. this man MUST lose his license.

The website for this school has been closed for a short period to cool the netizen's from their anger against that video.

http://www.seolbong.es.kr/

curse you asian men....

That man is insane...

I would cry.


So much.

can't say I'd cry, seeing as I have a high tolerance to pain, but a couple tears might slip out.

Of course, I would never let him do that to me. I'd punch the heck outta that 4' 9 toddler teacher.

Hmm, so nobody thought it was good to go to the police with it?

It's Korea, the police are physically incapable of seeing such an act.

Thats what the american kids need they lack discipline.

I really don't see too much of a problem with this:

1) I 'dislike' children.
2) If the children were fighting and someone did this to them, it is almost gaurenteed they'll never do it again.

This kind of physical punishment was common a generation ago, why has it become oh-so evil now?

Thats what the american kids need they lack discipline.

The only place you need discipline in is the military, maggot.

This kind of physical punishment was common a generation ago, why has it become oh-so evil now?

its called human and child rights, afaik protection for abusement and violence are still on that list (altho some countries have problem with that rights)

The only place you need discipline in is the military, maggot.

i got plenty discipline and when i went to school they beat are ass not quite like that but there was some mean ones.

i got plenty discipline and when i went to school they beat are ass not quite like that but there was some mean ones.

Beating kids can result in UNFORESEEN CONSEQUENCES

Beating kids can result in UNFORESEEN CONSEQUENCES

and so can not beating them.

What the fuck was that? He was hitting kids as they walked past him.

yeah? And beating them solves what? It gives them fucking temporary obedience? What happens when they turn into teenagers? what becomes of their minds? They start to have free will thinking and realize, "hey this is fucking wrong. I can do worse to the abuser." And then there's more problems amist in the family/social conflict. The mind becomes violent, the hate becomes blacker, and the hope for inner peace is lost.


I'd rather have pacification than fucking violence in my child any day. FUCK beatings.


edit: yeah some users might want to debate the credibility of this fact, but considering the fact that i used to live with a drunken "father" and sent to mental institutions several times constitutest my hate against most people. In other words, I'm VERY judgemental.

What the fuck was that? He was hitting kids as they walked past him.

he was beating all the kids involved in the argument including the ones that were trying to stop the argument.
as for beating kids ive seen more horrible disrespectful kids come from house holds that dont spank.
theres difference between beating and spanking .

Wow.. Thats just wrong.

yeah? And beating them solves what? It gives them fucking temporary obedience? What happens when they turn into teenagers? what becomes of their minds? They start to have free will thinking and realize, "hey this is fucking wrong. I can do worse to the abuser." And then there's more problems amist in the family/social conflict. The mind becomes violent, the hate becomes blacker, and the hope for inner peace is lost.

Being beaten as a child in situations like these (fighting) does not lead to the person ending up becoming a violent demon who will be forever void of empathy... If it did the humanity would have ended generations ago.

In all honesty physical discipline is a VERY effective way to discourage a child from doing something, since it is so effective it is also a very easy for the person hitting the child to continue to use this method as behaviour control. As for when they 'develop free will' they should know better by then and learn from their (and hopefully others [the person who beat them for example]) past mistakes.


I'd rather have pacification than fucking violence in my child any day. FUCK beatings.


edit: yeah some users might want to debate the credibility of this fact, but considering the fact that i used to live with a drunken "father" and sent to mental institutions several times constitutest my hate against most people. In other words, I'm VERY judgemental.

Random beatings (From a drunken father for example) don't have any benefit to the person being beaten, and being beaten for a long period of time will likely breed fear and resentment.

Being beaten as a child in situations like these (fighting) does not lead to the person ending up becoming a violent demon who will be forever void of empathy... If it did the humanity would have ended generations ago.

In all honesty physical discipline is a VERY effective way to discourage a child from doing something, since it is so effective it is also a very easy for the person hitting the child to continue to use this method as behaviour control. As for when they 'develop free will' they should know better by then and learn from their (and hopefully others [the person who beat them for example]) past mistakes.




Random beatings (From a drunken father for example) don't have any benefit to the person being beaten, and being beaten for a long period of time will likely breed fear and resentment.

you explained it very good.

Arguments against using corporal (physical) punishment:

Can cause permanent, lifelong damage, such as poor school performance, juvenile delinquency (misbehavior as a teenager), domestic violence, etc.

Can cause physical injury to children, such as broken bones, bruises

Is used more against children who live in poverty, with disabilities, or who are from minorities

Teaches children that force is an acceptable way of making others do something, that it is acceptable to hit someone smaller or weaker when you are angry

Damages the relationship between children and the parents

Shows an emotional lack of control or resources on the part of the parent

Arguments for using corporal (physical) punishment:

It is immediate. The child can see the result of what he did and the relationship between the wrongdoing and the punishment.

Other punishments can be even more psychologically damaging or humiliating

It is effective and easily remembered by the child. It is uncomplicated. Children can understand physical punishment easily.

Children cannot always understand punishment which is removed from the time or the scene of what they did wrong.

Parents love their children. They have no intention of hurting them. They are punishing them for a misdeed, not injuring them physically.

We live a violent world. We cannot pretend that violence does not exist.

http://www.writefix.com/argument/physpunishideas.htm

There has to be like 30 kids in that class. They should have just ganged up on that guy...

Fuck yeah.

I really don't see too much of a problem with this:

1) I 'dislike' children.
2) If the children were fighting and someone did this to them, it is almost gaurenteed they'll never do it again.

This kind of physical punishment was common a generation ago, why has it become oh-so evil now?

that wasnt a spanking....

Being beaten as a child in situations like these (fighting) does not lead to the person ending up becoming a violent demon who will be forever void of empathy... If it did the humanity would have ended generations ago.

In all honesty physical discipline is a VERY effective way to discourage a child from doing something, since it is so effective it is also a very easy for the person hitting the child to continue to use this method as behaviour control. As for when they 'develop free will' they should know better by then and learn from their (and hopefully others [the person who beat them for example]) past mistakes.




Random beatings (From a drunken father for example) don't have any benefit to the person being beaten, and being beaten for a long period of time will likely breed fear and resentment.

That only scares the kids to not do stuff when they are around those people. When they move out and NOONE will be spanking/beating, they will do what they want. Its better to teach them right from wrong, instead of putting fear into the kid, not discipline.

That wasn't a disciplinary spanking, that was a fucking whack-the-living-shit-out-of-the-kid-who-sounds-like-he's-gonna-die beatdown. That's just wrong.

Bet that pussy child abuser wouldn't try it on 16 year olds. He'd get his ass kicked in a heartbeat.

Bet that pussy child abuser wouldn't try it on 16 year olds. He'd get his ass kicked in a heartbeat.

Totally agreed, lol.

Lol @ brats getting what they deserve.

I think if every teacher beat the shit out of me when I did something wrong I would get my act together real quick, but they just let me run wild :D

Teachers are getting crazier and crazier these days...

A teacher at my high school got arrested for cocaine and heroin possession last year.

EDIT: Damn...

Bet that pussy child abuser wouldn't try it on 16 year olds. He'd get his ass kicked in a heartbeat.

We had a teacher that broke down a lot of the kids in our 4th grade class and made them cry...there were a handfull of kids who didn't (mostly the bigger guys) he saw me, and two or three of his past students the other day walking around our home town, I saw the look in his eyes.

He knows what he did to those kids, he's fucking scared.

Bet that pussy child abuser wouldn't try it on 16 year olds. He'd get his ass kicked in a heartbeat.

actually...if you went to school in korea, you would understand and accept this type of discipline as a common method. I remember when I was 7 years old, i got my palms bruised from wooden-ruler-beatdowns because I was late from going to the bathroom~ :-/

also, whats wrong with disciplining kids? as long as you do not hurt them to the point they get handicapped/crippled, i see it as a viable option to raise a kid well. I remember way back when I used to steal toys from a toy store, my mom caught me, sent me to the nearby local police station, put me there for pretty much the whole day, and around midnight came and took me home. I never ever stole from any place from then on. (The police officers there were threatening me to put me behind bars if I did it again...lol...pretty traumatic for a 7 year old no?)

another incident, this was in America, I was fooling around with my bro in a public swimming pool, got too reckless, suspended from entering the pool for a few minutes by the lifeguard. My dad, who was there too, was so embarrassed, that he went home, took a gold club, told me to go to push-up position, and slammed my buttocks multiple times. I had bruises there and couldn't sit upright for 2 weeks. But I learned my lesson and never did anything stupid at any pool again.

like I said, if you are a Korean, this type of stuff won't faze you...hell some schools make you have certain hairstyles/clothes, and if you don't, they will shave your head and/or beat you with a stick if you aren't wearing proper clothes.

=
also, whats wrong with disciplining kids? as long as you do not hurt them to the point they get handicapped/crippled, i see it as a viable option to raise a kid well. =

Its an attitude like that which perpetuates shit like this. Its nice that YOU can see a line to where you can hit a kid, but the guy next to you might not know where to draw that line.

Also, its pretty scarring to be hit by an adult as a child. It can really fuck you up man.

yea i guess if you look at it that way. Not everyone is the same, true~ which also means not everyone will stop at the line between discipline and trauma/emotional scarring.

i don't know...I am just saying this from my own perspective of receiving physical discipline. My thoughts when I was getting beat was "Ah damn...this hurts...better not do that again next time". Although some bad habits die hard, I managed to stop doing other things, like stealing/horsing around a pool, etc.

I think it also depends on how you discipline your child, if after you hit them, you talk to them calmly about what they did wrong and etc, then after make them feel better by...i don't know...watching a movie or buying food or w/e, then its a good discipline. If the adult beats the child and yells/curses at them however, now thats emotional scarring.

This is sick , If he would hit me like that every day i think i would be so angry i would take a knife with me and stab that asshole, Or i would just run away out of class when he hit me.

And notice the kids laughing in the background , liek whats so funny about that , damn koreans

This is sick , If he would hit me like that every day i think i would be so angry i would take a knife with me and stab that asshole, Or i would just run away out of class when he hit me.

And notice the kids laughing in the background , liek whats so funny about that , damn koreans

Well...do you watch Jackass shows/movies? I know I do, when those guys go splat on concrete pavement or go flying off a motorcycle to get slammed into a wall, I laugh, cause its funny. I think those kids are on the same boat, laughing at other people's pain~ -_-

Human nature is cruel, love giving pain and suffering but do not want to keep them. Quoting Arnold in T2: Judgement Day "Its in your nature to destroy yourselves"

Well...do you watch Jackass shows/movies? I know I do, when those guys go splat on concrete pavement or go flying off a motorcycle to get slammed into a wall, I laugh, cause its funny. I think those kids are on the same boat, laughing at other people's pain~ -_-

Human nature is cruel, love giving pain and suffering but do not want to keep them. Quoting Arnold in T2: Judgement Day "Its in your nature to destroy yourselves"

Yeah but jackass actually likes the pain they get, this kid is crying
and i think that makes difference wether u should laugh or not

I wish people would stop posting this type of news on OnRPG. It's sad sometimes.

I don't feel like talking about this topic.

This happens a lot in select second and third world countries.

Not a big deal. The day he hits them with a tree branch, or a frying pan is the day they can complain. :-/

Kids are sadistic thats why they laugh.

I laughed because the pain and misery of others sustains me.

:3

Beating kids is the trump card that shitty parents and teachers resort to when they are too stupid or un-resourceful to control their kids.

This idiot should have his license revoked - he's not only an abuser, but he doesn't have the qualifications of being a teacher if he can't even control his classroom.

When I was a kid, neither I nor any of my siblings were beaten as kids. Ever. Yet none of us have gotten into even half the stupid shit most kids get into these days. It's because our parents are smart and they convinced us that it would be stupid to do those things. They didn't just deliver demands and beat the shit out of anyone who looked another direction.

Hes a monster that should burn in hell...

Ah well can't say i'm surprised. If i were that kid i wouldn't of taken the beating, i would of ran off.

Awesome. If that was me though I'd honestly laugh. I've gotten beaten so much worse.

I couldn't sit down for about a week once and missed school that whole week.

There was lumps of sadness on my ass that day.

Whoa...


And Korea is 1st in Education?

I'm not sending my kid there.

If a dude did that to a kid of mine, I'd make sure his days of living would be hell.

Whoa...


And Korea is 1st in Education?

I'm not sending my kid there.

Why not? Obviously they have a system that works.

Why not? Obviously they have a system that works.

Is education the price of a kids mind? The kid will become depressed

Thats what the american kids need they lack discipline. It's not that children need to be beat, it's that their parents arn't properly punishing them.

Actually, the spanking the kids get is a good thing. It'll teach them right from wrong. But the dude over did it in that video.

America can only yell at the students and give them a punishment that doesn't involve physical spanking. They need that.

um wow and i thaught my country was brutal.O_o

I do not disapprove of spanking your child, but this guy is the teacher. If it was his kid he was doing this too, go right ahead. My dad used a leather belt when I was in trouble, and trust me, belts>wooden sticks.

But he isn't their parents. This is almost like your best friend smacking your child in the mouth, you just don't do that. But it's perfectly all right for a parent to smack a child in the mouth.

And in Korea, this isn't considered Child abuse, it's considered punishment. Differences in culture, don't judge what you don't know.

I love how everyone suddenly becomes a badass when news like this comes out. I don't know about you, but if I were in fifth grade getting beat by an adult, I wouldn't be thinking I was hot shit. This is a KID we're talking about.

He's also probably not that smart if he's getting beat.

If you have to beat up a kid in order to teach right from wrong then you done something wrong then.

You need to teach kids morals from right to wrong. Not beat them up like that!

They will become anti-social and avoid any contact from other people.

I'm sorry, but kids are much like women.

You have to hit them to show that you care.

meh, what happened with the good ol' fear that you instill in kids mind about them having nightmares of their parents dying and going to hell because they came late to school?

I think if child abuse in schools, by teachers, was still around today, teachers would be badly hurt.

I wouldn't take being hit by a teacher.. or from anyone for that matter.

I think if child abuse in schools, by teachers, was still around today, teachers would be badly hurt.

I wouldn't take being hit by a teacher.. or from anyone for that matter.

i wouldnt take it either...i will like hire a firing squad and execute his ass off>:(

I would take that broom of the teacher and leave it in his ass >_>

I really don't see too much of a problem with this:

1) I 'dislike' children.
2) If the children were fighting and someone did this to them, it is almost gaurenteed they'll never do it again.

This kind of physical punishment was common a generation ago, why has it become oh-so evil now?

No it wasn't

Think of all the spoiled white kids that live in society today.
Ahem, conversation ex.

Mom- Johnny, go clean your room.
Johnny- FUCK YOU MOM! YOU WORTHLESS, SELFISH BITCH. YOU DO IT YOU IDIOTIC WHORE!
Mom- Ok. Sure thing!


Yet none of the parents do crap about their kid, why bring this up? Whatever. Anyway, can you specify the location. Korea doesnt help because...there is no korea.








*hint* South or North bitch.

Think of all the spoiled white kids that live in society today.
Ahem, conversation ex.

Mom- Johnny, go clean your room.
Johnny- FUCK YOU MOM! YOU WORTHLESS, SELFISH BITCH. YOU DO IT YOU IDIOTIC WHORE!
Mom- Ok. Sure thing!


Yet none of the parents do crap about their kid, why bring this up? Whatever. Anyway, can you specify the location. Korea doesnt help because...there is no korea.








*hint* South or North bitch.


Which one is our ally?

Which one is our ally?




...South. Was this question sarcastic or something? Don't you watch the news? North Korea, Nukes, SHIT BLOWING UP WTF?!

...South. Was this question sarcastic or something? Don't you watch the news? North Korea, Nukes, SHIT BLOWING UP WTF?!

I lol'd because he probably DOESN'T know. Then I cried.

That was not spanking... that was being beaten with a broom. Sounded like that shit hurt too. I would have punched the teacher in the face if i were that kid.

Beating kids is the trump card that shitty parents and teachers resort to when they are too stupid or un-resourceful to control their kids.

This idiot should have his license revoked - he's not only an abuser, but he doesn't have the qualifications of being a teacher if he can't even control his classroom.

When I was a kid, neither I nor any of my siblings were beaten as kids. Ever. Yet none of us have gotten into even half the stupid shit most kids get into these days. It's because our parents are smart and they convinced us that it would be stupid to do those things. They didn't just deliver demands and beat the shit out of anyone who looked another direction.

actualy your not spose to just beat your kids you spank them and explain to them the resoning behind it not jsut spank and let them go on there way. i personaly got whippings and all my freinds that didnt their parent didnt want any of them coming around but they like me couse i was well disciplined.
and id like to seen a 5th grader try to fight that guy he'd probly grabed your arm and started beating it. he was little over board but there so many kids that lack this that need it.

That was not spanking... that was being beaten with a broom. Sounded like that shit hurt too. I would have punched the teacher in the face if i were that kid.

The kid was half the teacher's size, at his gonads. You couldn't possibly do anything too painful to the dude.

If he touched me, I'd fucking rip his balls off. :/.
That is some serious bullshit.

Think of all the spoiled white kids that live in society today.
Ahem, conversation ex.

Mom- Johnny, go clean your room.
Johnny- FUCK YOU MOM! YOU WORTHLESS, SELFISH BITCH. YOU DO IT YOU IDIOTIC WHORE!
Mom- Ok. Sure thing!


Yet none of the parents do crap about their kid, why bring this up? Whatever. Anyway, can you specify the location. Korea doesnt help because...there is no korea.








*hint* South or North bitch.

white?


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I thought teachers were supposed to like kids D:

I thought teachers were supposed to like kids D:

My science teacher straight told us he became a teacher to punish kids seriously and he was an asshole.

I know right from wrong and i've never been beat or anything. I might have been spanked ALONG time ago. bit since 3rd grade maybe, My parents just ground me from my computer if i do dumb shit.

I have friends who do bad things and i dont want to be like them. I care about peoples feelings to much -_-.

Being beaten as a child in situations like these (fighting) does not lead to the person ending up becoming a violent demon who will be forever void of empathy... If it did the humanity would have ended generations ago.

In all honesty physical discipline is a VERY effective way to discourage a child from doing something, since it is so effective it is also a very easy for the person hitting the child to continue to use this method as behaviour control. As for when they 'develop free will' they should know better by then and learn from their (and hopefully others [the person who beat them for example]) past mistakes.




Random beatings (From a drunken father for example) don't have any benefit to the person being beaten, and being beaten for a long period of time will likely breed fear and resentment.

I can tell you didn't got beaten enough then, if you think physical discipline is the way to go on a Teacher/Pupil relation or even Parents/Son

My Dad would often resort to violence NOT being drunk at all(he did suffer a lot as a child tho but I hardly take that as an excuse) he would pick on the slightest things(pathetic things really, like talking at the table during dinner) to go as far as kicking you, I took quite some beatings so my brothers wouldn't seeing I'd raise my voice to protect them being the older brother.

What this teacher did, well, fuck that
I'd break that broom on his fucked up head, I'm telling you, if that was MY son....he would get his ass kicked OH so very hard

Kids go to school to be educated, yes, not fucking disciplined through the means of violence, that sends the wrong message and nothing good comes out of inflicted fear.

I hope that dudes gets his license revoked for life, and that some dad is man enough to give him some "Discipline".

I can tell you didn't got beaten enough then, if you think physical discipline is the way to go on a Teacher/Pupil relation or even Parents/Son

After a few physical lessons I quickly learned what was and what was not acceptable. It only takes one good session to seriously dampen the unwanted behaviour.

My Dad would often resort to violence NOT being drunk at all(he did suffer a lot as a child tho but I hardly take that as an excuse) he would pick on the slightest things(pathetic things really, like talking at the table during dinner) to go as far as kicking you, I took quite some beatings so my brothers wouldn't seeing I'd raise my voice to protect them being the older brother.

As I've said random beatings = pointless, beating a child for small reasons is close to pointless as well.

What this teacher did, well, fuck that
I'd break that broom on his fucked up head, I'm telling you, if that was MY son....he would get his ass kicked OH so very hard

Kids go to school to be educated, yes, not fucking disciplined through the means of violence, that sends the wrong message and nothing good comes out of inflicted fear.

I hope that dudes gets his license revoked for life, and that some dad is man enough to give him some "Discipline".

If your child beat the hell out of some child at a school and the teacher then hit your child for fighting, you'd assault the teacher? That's uncalled for. Adults can be rationalized with, children often can't be. Bad behaviour with an adult = conversation (possibly legal action), bad behaviour with a child = belt. You'll never be able to take a child (in elementary school) to court and charge them with offenses.

How can you say nothing good comes out of fear? Fear is a great motivator. Religions, their morals and practices are based on a fear of a god / gods and not wanting to burn for eternity for something like murder.... Or eating meat on a Friday. Fear of death / pain prevents innapropriate / stupid behaviour (Hey lets go poke a bear with a stick!). Fear / pain are just as good of tools for learning as are rewards.

Oh well its only one teacher and they arn't all like that. Anyway its a shame i didn't give 2 shits about the kid. In England we get a fuck load of dirty scum kids and if we bought back the cain it will hopefully teach them a bit of respect or just shoot them they don't have a job and just scrounge of the state.

After a few physical lessons I quickly learned what was and what was not acceptable. It only takes one good session to seriously dampen the unwanted behaviour.

Something you could've learned just as easily through a lecture, if not you would learn through your own mistakes and take it as an example



As I've said random beatings = pointless, beating a child for small reasons is close to pointless as well.They weren't random, they were uncalled for or over exaggerating
It was also a reflex of what he knew as education, he got beat up to hell as a kid, hence, he thought it was a good method for being the ONLY method he knew.

If your child beat the hell out of some child at a school and the teacher then hit your child for fighting, you'd assault the teacher? That's uncalled for. Adults can be rationalized with, children often can't be. Bad behaviour with an adult = conversation (possibly legal action), bad behaviour with a child = belt. You'll never be able to take a child (in elementary school) to court and charge them with offenses.Excuse me?
At least from where I come from NO teacher is allowed to resort to physical measures.

About the kids fighting, go up there and kick both their asses is the way to show them that FIGHTING is wrong? ehh, I don't think so
Adults should prime for example, go up to them and break them up and make them apologize to each other after gaining an understanding of what set the whole thing off would be the right way to proceed, then talking to their parents and passing a message that their kid needs to be lectured about that kind of behavior would be the next step.

And yes, I would not reason with someone that took that beating way too far
If I don't beat my son as a mean to educate him who the hell is he to do so?

How can you say nothing good comes out of fear? Fear is a great motivator. Religions, their morals and practices are based on a fear of a god / gods and not wanting to burn for eternity for something like murder.... Or eating meat on a Friday. Fear of death / pain prevents innapropriate / stupid behaviour (Hey lets go poke a bear with a stick!). Fear / pain are just as good of tools for learning as are rewards.Wrong, its your choice to believe in God, I don't do it out of fear of going to "burn for all eternity" I do it because it find it arrogant to believe we're the "ultimate" being yet so flawed, there must be something better.

As for eating meat on the said Friday, I eat meat whenever I feel like it
I make my own choices based on my own believes, following every guide line as pathetic as it might be is not under my choices.

Fear is a tool, not a motivator and what you learn from it is dark and disturbed, human race already goes too low as it is, education through fear is not welcome the way I see it.

There's already enough things to be afraid of in this world, we really don't need teachers beating kids. that should up to the parents if they want to discipline their kids that way. And honestly after having been beaten with various instruments including a broomstick I can honestly say that is not a very pleasant experience nor a suitable punishment on a kid. This ain't Sparta.

After a few physical lessons I quickly learned what was and what was not acceptable. It only takes one good session to seriously dampen the unwanted behaviour.

Then you have not been beaten enough to know what fear is. Oh, please don't bring up that "I have been beaten up since I was born" because honestly, DYFS should have dealt your case a long time ago.



As I've said random beatings = pointless, beating a child for small reasons is close to pointless as well.

Pointless? You missed the point. ANY BEATING INSTILLS FEAR AND HATRED AGAINST THE ANGATONIST. Look, think about slavery for once. They got beaten so much that they either

1. feared the masters
2. rebelled.


If your child beat the hell out of some child at a school and the teacher then hit your child for fighting, you'd assault the teacher? That's uncalled for. Adults can be rationalized with, children often can't be. Bad behaviour with an adult = conversation (possibly legal action), bad behaviour with a child = belt. You'll never be able to take a child (in elementary school) to court and charge them with offenses.

... Scuse me? I've seen some adults that can NEVER be rationalised, and I have heard stories from teenagers that are far mature than their own parents that FUCKING RAISED THEM FROM BIRTH. Do me a favor. Go to adolescent afterschool group therapy sessions and see what happens. Maybe you can learn something from them.

How can you say nothing good comes out of fear? Fear is a great motivator. Religions, their morals and practices are based on a fear of a god / gods and not wanting to burn for eternity for something like murder.... Or eating meat on a Friday. Fear of death / pain prevents innapropriate / stupid behaviour (Hey lets go poke a bear with a stick!). Fear / pain are just as good of tools for learning as are rewards.

... EXCUSE ME?

First off, A religion should NEVER use fear as a tool to get believers in. Persuasion, yes, but fear? What the fuck? That is why the Catholic religion is fucking corrupt religion. Killing millions of lives just to be a megapolis church only to be even more fucking corrupt. I won't get into more details with religion because that's touchy. But one thing I will tell you. I believe in Jesus because He doesn't instill fear, but rather gives me comfort.

Fear has no good whatsoever. You put a fearful child in a haunted house for her whole life, and then you get what? Boom, a demented child. The same goes with torture. You get people to SUBMIT, and have no free thought.

Again, please, don't bring up fear is a good tool, because believe me, I don't think you even experience the full extent of it

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I've read it and saw it but still I don't really care.

Sure todays 12 year olds even smoke everything they see and drink everything.
Even at my local train station theres a mobs/gang etc. of mean looking 12 year olds.
The world changes and people changes.

Guess this teacher didn't wanted it to change.

curse you asian men....

can u stop ur bullsht and don't talk about "asian"?

thats a korean so if u want to say something, replace ur word "asian" with "korean", cuz ur dissing the entire race.

Something you could've learned just as easily through a lecture, if not you would learn through your own mistakes and take it as an example

Lectures do not have the immediate affect that physical discipline has. Children also usually have relatively short attention spans, getting through an entire lecture to get your point across may be next to impossible.


They weren't random, they were uncalled for or over exaggerating
It was also a reflex of what he knew as education, he got beat up to hell as a kid, hence, he thought it was a good method for being the ONLY method he knew.

As I've said random beatings = pointless, beating a child for small reasons is close to pointless as well.

Small reasons = close to pointless. Just because your father doesn't know how to properly use physical discipline does not mean that it is a bad thing to use. Saying that getting spanked / beaten as a child will make you end up being an abusive parent is garbage. You yourself have said that you won't beat your son, but you were beaten as a child.


Excuse me?
At least from where I come from NO teacher is allowed to resort to physical measures.

About the kids fighting, go up there and kick both their asses is the way to show them that FIGHTING is wrong? ehh, I don't think so
Adults should prime for example, go up to them and break them up and make them apologize to each other after gaining an understanding of what set the whole thing off would be the right way to proceed, then talking to their parents and passing a message that their kid needs to be lectured about that kind of behavior would be the next step.

And yes, I would not reason with someone that took that beating way too far
If I don't beat my son as a mean to educate him who the hell is he to do so?

Just because it doesn't happen where you live, or your society thinks it is unjustified doesn't mean that you are right. Behaviour control through physical repercussions is very effective. Beating a child to near death every second day because he can't tie his shoes is not.

Wrong, its your choice to believe in God, I don't do it out of fear of going to "burn for all eternity" I do it because it find it arrogant to believe we're the "ultimate" being yet so flawed, there must be something better.

As for eating meat on the said Friday, I eat meat whenever I feel like it
I make my own choices based on my own believes, following every guide line as pathetic as it might be is not under my choices.

It is your choice to believe in a god / gods, but depending on the religion if your other choice is eternal damnation in a lake of fire, it might not be a hard choice to make. Believing that humans are an ultimate being doesn't really go with the two non-believing trains of thought, they tend to think evolution caused man as opposed to being perfectly creator in the image of a diety.

As for not following all of the beliefs, are you really of a certain religious denomination (Christian / Catholic I'm guessing) if you pick and choose what to believe and observe?

Fear is a tool, not a motivator and what you learn from it is dark and disturbed, human race already goes too low as it is, education through fear is not welcome the way I see it.

How can you say that what you learn from fear is dark and disturbed? A kid puts his hand on a hot stove, gets burned, and then won't do it again because of fear of pain, how is that dark and disturbed? Fear is a great tool, arachnophobia, for example, has likely saved the lives of many many people due to people staying the hell away from poisonous spiders (where it is appliciable).

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Reply in bold. Replying that way doesn't easily allow me to retort, I'm not going to bother, from what I've quickly read you're views on the matter are skewed. Also your use of profanity doesn't help your arguement.

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Thats a very immuture way to have an arguement its like you say what you want they go "la la la im not listening la la la". So next time let the other person have their say ok? Because in my eyes you have just shown your age and that you should of had a punch in the face to teach people a bit more rispect.
I think the hitting punishment is a good idea ok the teacher my have gone OTT but i was hit as a child and it did teach you a lesson and you would have been stupid to do it agian.

I've gotten worse whoopings than that. Also when I was in school teacher were allowed to spank kids. Now the kids can beat the teachers and get away with it. It's a wonder people still wanna teach.

Fear is not a motivator, nor is it a deterrent. It is a form of control from one person over another. Whether that force be physical, mental, or spiritual. Beating does not instill the sense of motivation for one to become better, nor does it help deter those from doing what is wrong. All it does is instill in ones mind that if they do A then they will get beaten. It is an animalistic instinct. I spray my cat when she gets on my bed, and now she knows that getting on the bed will result in her getting sprayed, but does she know why I don't want her on the bed? Does she know why getting on the bed for a cat may be wrong? Does it mean she won't go on someone elses bed? Nope, not really. Fear is not something we need for control in this day.

In the same way it is not legal for you to beat your wife, or anyone for that matter, if she does something wrong the same goes for children as well. The children who get beaten when they are young tend to end up with emotional scars when they are older.

Pok... I hope that, in all honesty, that you never have children or a wife... Your views on discipline are very harsh and archaic and I woul fear for you kids well being if you ever have any. Hopefully you will learn that physical punishment is not the only way to discipline.

Fear is not a motivator, nor is it a deterrent. It is a form of control from one person over another. Whether that force be physical, mental, or spiritual. Beating does not instill the sense of motivation for one to become better, nor does it help deter those from doing what is wrong. All it does is instill in ones mind that if they do A then they will get beaten. It is an animalistic instinct. I spray my cat when she gets on my bed, and now she knows that getting on the bed will result in her getting sprayed, but does she know why I don't want her on the bed? Does she know why getting on the bed for a cat may be wrong? Does it mean she won't go on someone elses bed? Nope, not really. Fear is not something we need for control in this day.

In the same way it is not legal for you to beat your wife, or anyone for that matter, if she does something wrong the same goes for children as well. The children who get beaten when they are young tend to end up with emotional scars when they are older.

Pok... I hope that, in all honesty, that you never have children or a wife... Your views on discipline are very harsh and archaic and I woul fear for you kids well being if you ever have any. Hopefully you will learn that physical punishment is not the only way to discipline.
wall of text, but I agree with sandman.

Just because it doesn't happen where you live, or your society thinks it is unjustified doesn't mean that you are right. Behaviour control through physical repercussions is very effective. Beating a child to near death every second day because he can't tie his shoes is not.


How can you say that what you learn from fear is dark and disturbed? A kid puts his hand on a hot stove, gets burned, and then won't do it again because of fear of pain, how is that dark and disturbed? Fear is a great tool, arachnophobia, for example, has likely saved the lives of many many people due to people staying the hell away from poisonous spiders (where it is appliciable.



While you are right that people have different views on the subject, not everyone believes that what is most effective is the humane thing to do. You can argue that killing off the homeless in cities is a very effective way of dealing with the homeless population but that doesn't make it right either. There are other ways of dealing with behaviour problems, a beating is hardly one of the top ones.

Fear is NOT a great tool for teaching, people become irrational because of fear. People kill other people over fear and they have and they continue to do so. Fear makes people obey because they do not want to be punished, not because they actually believe what they are being told. Overtime, those teachings will sink in due to the fact that they were the only way to prevent physical punishment or death which is what MoonlightDarkness pointed out with slavery. Fear is a great method of control and not educating, which is what teachers are paid to do, educate.


Aw, crap Sandman said it first =/. but yeah I also agree

Fear is not a motivator, nor is it a deterrent. It is a form of control from one person over another. Whether that force be physical, mental, or spiritual. Beating does not instill the sense of motivation for one to become better, nor does it help deter those from doing what is wrong. All it does is instill in ones mind that if they do A then they will get beaten. It is an animalistic instinct. I spray my cat when she gets on my bed, and now she knows that getting on the bed will result in her getting sprayed, but does she know why I don't want her on the bed? Does she know why getting on the bed for a cat may be wrong? Does it mean she won't go on someone elses bed? Nope, not really. Fear is not something we need for control in this day.

In the same way it is not legal for you to beat your wife, or anyone for that matter, if she does something wrong the same goes for children as well. The children who get beaten when they are young tend to end up with emotional scars when they are older.

Pok... I hope that, in all honesty, that you never have children or a wife... Your views on discipline are very harsh and archaic and I woul fear for you kids well being if you ever have any. Hopefully you will learn that physical punishment is not the only way to discipline.

People love using that argument I've had friends and co workers who got spanked and they are fine. I was spanked and I'm fine. Now or days parents let their kids run the show some to the point they are afraid of their own kids. It's not supposed to be like that. Some parents don't discipline their kids at all . So we get spoiled brats that no one can control some even beat their parents. IMO as long as it's not a beating spanking is ok. Someone has to show kids how to behave and in SOME cases spanking is the only way.

People love using that argument I've had friends and co workers who got spanked and they are fine. I was spanked and I'm fine. Now or days parents let their kids run the show some to the point they are afraid of their own kids. It's not supposed to be like that. Some parents don't discipline their kids at all . So we get spoiled brats that no one can control some even beat their parents. IMO as long as it's not a beating spanking is ok. Someone has to show kids how to behave and in SOME cases spanking is the only way.

People deal with it in different ways. My dad was beatin with 2x4's, coat hangers, and a number of other things but today he laughs it off as the good old times. My mom was beaten by her dads hand when she a child and today she gets extremely drunk and starts hysterically crying about how her parents beat her when she was young.

I am not saying that every child that gets beaten results in the same type of emotional stability as another, I said that kids who get TEND to have emotional scars of it when they are older.

Fear is not a motivator, nor is it a deterrent. It is a form of control from one person over another. Whether that force be physical, mental, or spiritual. Beating does not instill the sense of motivation for one to become better, nor does it help deter those from doing what is wrong. All it does is instill in ones mind that if they do A then they will get beaten. It is an animalistic instinct. I spray my cat when she gets on my bed, and now she knows that getting on the bed will result in her getting sprayed, but does she know why I don't want her on the bed? Does she know why getting on the bed for a cat may be wrong? Does it mean she won't go on someone elses bed? Nope, not really. Fear is not something we need for control in this day.

I wholeheartedly disagree with fear not being a deterrent (motivator does seem like an incorrect term for most applications). Fear can deter a lot of unwanted behaviour, from breaking the law and ending up in prision, to breaking a religious code and being punished in the afterlife, to having unruly behaviour again and being spanked. You yourself say that if they doing A they will get beaten, they fear being beaten and thusly the the act of A is hopefully deterred.

The basic instincts people have are very powerful, look at lust in advertising for example. Not using, or at least being aware of, what can result from these instincts seems foolish (For example not having half-naked women in a commercial trying to sell something to the 18-35 year old male consumers).

Fear can be used for control, and as such, will be used for control. Would we be better off without scare tactics (Terrorism! Rawr!)? In most senses probably. Using fear through physical discipline as a learning device for children isn't objectional to me though. It is quick, effecient, and can have long-lasting results. Ever had one of your parents stop the car to spank you because you were throwing a fit? I bet you'd think twice about throwing a fit again. Physical discipline is something that is easily understandable by children, as well as being memorable.

In the same way it is not legal for you to beat your wife, or anyone for that matter, if she does something wrong the same goes for children as well. The children who get beaten when they are young tend to end up with emotional scars when they are older.

Adults can be rationalized with, if not, and worst comes to worst, legal action can be taken. This doesn't always hold true for children. I'm not saying beat your child every time they do something wrong, I'm saying don't exclude it if the situation calls for it (Timmy was playing in traffic and won't put down his gameboy long enough for you to explain why that was wrong to him).

I absolutely disagree with your statement about children being physically disciplined ending up with emotional scars. Look at your parents generation or your grandparents generation, they would have been physically disciplined (as my grandparents and parents were) and from what I've seen most of their generation seem to be just fine.

I think there has been a problem in communication with the words beaten and physical discipline. I might have used them interchangeably when I shouldn't have. Spanking = physical discipline (which is what I've been defending) unconcious lying bleeding on the floor = beaten (Not defending).

Pok... I hope that, in all honesty, that you never have children or a wife... Your views on discipline are very harsh and archaic and I woul fear for you kids well being if you ever have any. Hopefully you will learn that physical punishment is not the only way to discipline.

Just because I don't disagree with physical discipline does not mean I practice it myself. I would never hit a woman and I do my best to avoid being around children (I also hope that I never have children). I don't think that physical punishment is the only way to discipline, I think it is a very effective way and I don't have any problems with it. I do think it should be used sparingly.


***I just noticed my title is Payne, Max Payne. Out of curiousity, is this just because of my post count or has someone given me a title due to my stance on physical discipline?

Woah, I'm kind of late into this thread, but in Korean isn't beatings like that allowed? If you look at it this way - its her fault for breaking the rules. A little harsh, but at least she'll try her best to stay out of trouble.
He kind of went overboard - to many hits... He probably learned to beat them less now. He was doing his job as a teacher so he shouldn't lose his license.

But in other countries its harsher, and back in the day of our parents it was like this. So no need to get too wilded up about it. After 10 minutes it won't hurt much at all.

That's life. :/

People deal with it in different ways. My dad was beatin with 2x4's, coat hangers, and a number of other things but today he laughs it off as the good old times. My mom was beaten by her dads hand when she a child and today she gets extremely drunk and starts hysterically crying about how her parents beat her when she was young.

I am not saying that every child that gets beaten results in the same type of emotional stability as another, I said that kids who get TEND to have emotional scars of it when they are older.

What would you do to discipline, and show right from wrong instead then?

What would you do to discipline, and show right from wrong instead then?
Granted it varies from child to child, but a child mind is constantly developing. One day he may hate you and the next day he loves you as much as he ever did. When you retaliate on a child with physical violence it becomes all he knows. Rather than teaching your child to be rational you are teaching him fearful. Rather than show, tell, teach your child about right and wrong and a possible gray area you teach your child that act A results in your ass being beaten.

There are many ways to teach a child the difference between right and wrong other than beating them.

As for spanking... I am somewhat more lenient on spanking. Spanking has not been considered a form of child abuse until recently. So as of right now I have no opinion on that one yet.

Granted it varies from child to child, but a child mind is constantly developing. One day he may hate you and the next day he loves you as much as he ever did. When you retaliate on a child with physical violence it becomes all he knows. Rather than teaching your child to be rational you are teaching him fearful. Rather than show, tell, teach your child about right and wrong and a possible gray area you teach your child that act A results in your ass being beaten.

There are many ways to teach a child the difference between right and wrong other than beating them.

As for spanking... I am somewhat more lenient on spanking. Spanking has not been considered a form of child abuse until recently. So as of right now I have no opinion on that one yet.

You live in USA correct? Probably with the teaching is the shock your child will get when he meets his first bully. He'd probably soon after become a target of the bully because of a weak heart. He wasn't brought up to withstand any violence, so when it comes his way there is nothing to do but cower in fear, and that fear is what will feed the bully.

So it's kind of a win lose situation if you don't use violence to solve problems once and a while.

If you look at it that way though; shouting, talking, and hitting would all need to be used to display an all-round discipline plan.

If I was to discipline anyone, I would get a hard slipper, tell them to take out their hand and hold it out(that would kind of help fight fear of being hurt) - then strike down on their hand. I would do it once or twice more depending on the reason of trouble.

Seems like the best way to me because of how sensitive and soft a child's hand is. Also putting out your hand and being able to stand and receive this is a sign of acknowledgment of your mistake, and showing you're able to handle the pain.

Lectures do not have the immediate affect that physical discipline has. Children also usually have relatively short attention spans, getting through an entire lecture to get your point across may be next to impossible.

That was my point exactly, we do what we can

I, as a father would show my son what's wrong, obviously its his choice in the end to either take my word for it or try it on his own, but isn't that what life is all about? trial and error?
We learn from our mistakes, in a way or the other you can only show a door to someone but the choice of going through that door still remains his.

Also, there's grounding, depriving a child of what they enjoy doing the most for a controlled amount of time to show them it doesn't pay off to have that sort of behavior can prove quite as effective or more.



Small reasons = close to pointless. Just because your father doesn't know how to properly use physical discipline does not mean that it is a bad thing to use. Saying that getting spanked / beaten as a child will make you end up being an abusive parent is garbage. You yourself have said that you won't beat your son, but you were beaten as a child.Well, there's 2 very basic points to why I wont beat my son even tho I got beat as a child myself

The first is my mother, even tho I got the "cold shoulder" from my father my mother always made the point that she loved us go though, and that dad loved us too in his own way.

The second was that I made myself that promise as a kid, when I first stood for my brothers I made a self promise that I would never drive a son of mine into that state of mind, into that sort of environment.

What happens to those that aren't as lucky to have someone to be their pillar, someone to show them some love.



Just because it doesn't happen where you live, or your society thinks it is unjustified doesn't mean that you are right. Behaviour control through physical repercussions is very effective. Beating a child to near death every second day because he can't tie his shoes is not.That wasn't quite the point, my point was that if in some societies the method differs and the results are AS good or better(same goes otherwise)
doesn't that prove that its all too vague? that physical retaliation through means of education isn't reliable?

Also, school is a very hostile and stressful place to have beatings added to it, specially in this world in which you're set to compete with your next of kind to have a better life at all costs.



It is your choice to believe in a god / gods, but depending on the religion if your other choice is eternal damnation in a lake of fire, it might not be a hard choice to make. Believing that humans are an ultimate being doesn't really go with the two non-believing trains of thought, they tend to think evolution caused man as opposed to being perfectly creator in the image of a diety.Well, you forget that there's the other line of thought, the "don't make a choice"
People can live quite carefree of religion, not concerning themselves with such matters that they can't understand or simply don't see a need to have explained, not even though science.

As for not following all of the beliefs, are you really of a certain religious denomination (Christian / Catholic I'm guessing) if you pick and choose what to believe and observe?Did I ever said I was? In fact I'm not truly what you can call a Christian or Catholic

My parents passed me all they know about their religion the best way they could(if you're curious as what religion is that, its Evangelism, a Christian religion yes.) as well as they might have explained it I still had/have my own doubts, I informed myself of other religions and had debates about it in several occasions and I choose to believe that which I see fit to through that which I observe in several religions and those who have a insight to share and obviously as well, through what I see viable through my own chain of thoughts.



How can you say that what you learn from fear is dark and disturbed? A kid puts his hand on a hot stove, gets burned, and then won't do it again because of fear of pain, how is that dark and disturbed? Fear is a great tool, arachnophobia, for example, has likely saved the lives of many many people due to people staying the hell away from poisonous spiders (where it is appliciable).We're obviously talking about 2 very different sets of fear
That example is clearly the fear gained through knowledge and self exploration, in other words, the kid gains knowledge through his OWN free will, the trial and error method of learning.

Yet, you bring me yet another form of fear that isn't really controllable to justify your imposed form of fear

The phobias, well...
I'm sure that you know that most people are born with those and they can't help but to react the way they do, its not learning through fear because there are quite ridiculous phobias towards things that would never pose a threat whatsoever so your argument to the arachnophobia isn't the only side of the table, and the cases in which the person gains a phobia are often related to a great trauma which may have been imposed or not.

The other set is imposed fear, which has far more side effects and unforeseeable results than the first and can't be explained through the means of the first.



I've gotten worse whoopings than that. Also when I was in school teacher were allowed to spank kids. Now the kids can beat the teachers and get away with it. It's a wonder people still wanna teach.Reflecting back, were they entirely justifiable? or, the fact that you "lived" through or past them is what justifies them?

Looking back, what would you rather have happen?

Now, I at least never said that because kids got beat up by teachers justifies that teachers get beat up by students, but also this isn't the Lord of the rings in which one example rules them all, each case is a case and the Teachers subject is a whole different one.


In the end I'm no longer saying that the method I'll follow is the right one, I'm just sharing why I'll use it

Since both yours and mine have different outcomes that no one can predict, we really can't claim one to be better than the other, we can only argue about their flaws and what we see as wrongs and rights.

Thats a very immuture way to have an arguement its like you say what you want they go "la la la im not listening la la la". So next time let the other person have their say ok? Because in my eyes you have just shown your age and that you should of had a punch in the face to teach people a bit more rispect.
I think the hitting punishment is a good idea ok the teacher my have gone OTT but i was hit as a child and it did teach you a lesson and you would have been stupid to do it agian.

forgive me, I did not expect the end result to be immature, but rather that it be an efficent way to post back.

Teaching Systems in asian countries is cruelO_o

People deal with it in different ways. My dad was beatin with 2x4's, coat hangers, and a number of other things but today he laughs it off as the good old times. My mom was beaten by her dads hand when she a child and today she gets extremely drunk and starts hysterically crying about how her parents beat her when she was young.

I am not saying that every child that gets beaten results in the same type of emotional stability as another, I said that kids who get TEND to have emotional scars of it when they are older.

and people those who don't get beat tend to be giant assholes and spoiled rotten it's 50/50 on either side

People deal with it in different ways. My dad was beatin with 2x4's, coat hangers, and a number of other things but today he laughs it off as the good old times. My mom was beaten by her dads hand when she a child and today she gets extremely drunk and starts hysterically crying about how her parents beat her when she was young.

I am not saying that every child that gets beaten results in the same type of emotional stability as another, I said that kids who get TEND to have emotional scars of it when they are older.

oh man thats cruel dude.. thats really cruel..

My opinion is boys need to get hit for several reasons, except when theyre very emotional and such.. girls.. just take em with diffrent techniques :o

Ive got beaten as a kid plenty of times because I needed to learn respect. Respect is very... how should I put this, for lack of better words Respect is very important to Koreans.(I know because im korean and my dad always says respect blah blah blah) Well my dad actually has been through one of the roughest lifes. Half of my dads family is still in north korea not that their commies or anything but after the korean war, the border trapped them there, my dad has no contact with them since the Korean War and hes been through shitastic times! but wtf. That kid got spanked probably because lack of respect and retardedness to do something extremely stupid?

somehow i dont see a problem with this, maybe its because its in korea iunno. if it was in america then i would have thought it was wrong. i think i remember being a spanked a couple of times when i was a kid in the philippines. the things i have been beaten with were slippers, the stick end of fly swatters, open palms, fists, and belts.

Thats what the american kids need they lack discipline.

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