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    Default Heroes of Newerth - Thoughts from a DotA player

    Beta testers are allowed to talk about HoN now (no screenies or videos) so here are my first impressions of the game. These are my opinions only:

    The good
    -Voice chat in game
    -A 'dota keys' set up in game
    -Better graphics
    -Concede / Vote kick in game
    -Reconnect

    The bad
    -Stat tracking, if you are playing without friends expect to get owned. You will get pubstomped and you will not be able to find a game that will fill with shuffled players. Bad win / loss or kill / death means that hosts will not have you on their team and your record will only get worse, team stacking is key. I hate stat tracking, it strangles fun from the game. Certain tracked stats are fine (% of games left would be dandy), but the KDR and w/l ratios ruin it, especially since this is a team game and the quality of your team directly affects your stats. Yes, I have terrible stats for HoN, even though I have really good stats for DotA.
    -The game is DotA, but it changed the appearence of all the heroes (some skill changes) and renamed them and the items. You're going to be confused as to which hero can do what for a while.
    -The pretty graphics can obscure what is going on.
    -Lack of DotA's giant hero selection.

    Overall the game isn't bad (I'm starting to think it needs to be balanced a bit more), but it isn't as polished as DotA. Yes, I know it's beta and that a lot of the negatives will likely work themselves out in time.
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    I play lots of shuffled games.. Stat tracking is good in my opinion..


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    I agree that stat tracking can be a bad thing. I've been kicked before due to bad stats, but hopefully they'll somewhat implement a skill level matching mechanism.

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    I played with powster :O But we got owned. Last game pwned, i was with moon queen, our team got way more kills but they had annoying heroes. Tho we got lots of gold and won, so at the end i had symbol of rage (lifesteal +str item), burizo, wingbow, and boots, had 3k hp, 30 armor, and 300 dmg . It was a fun match also had 25 kills :P, now my k/d ratio rocks!
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    there is something about it that feels wow maybe graphically, but thegame has its flaws if u play bad expect to hear flames lol, i noticed some ppl can be really nasty even to newc****s im still learning and i get flamed to hell im no pro but i wanna do the best i can and learn...!

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    After playing it 3 or 4 times, I realized that I would rather just play dota. The graphics aren't even that appealing. Some of the heroes are just lame. The Stealth Assassin and Rhasta copies in particular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loksie View Post
    there is something about it that feels wow maybe graphically, but thegame has its flaws if u play bad expect to hear flames lol, i noticed some ppl can be really nasty even to newc****s im still learning and i get flamed to hell im no pro but i wanna do the best i can and learn...!
    did you not read the agreement, it said there will be alot of douche bags in the chat. This is the dota community, thats why

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuseke View Post
    After playing it 3 or 4 times, I realized that I would rather just play dota. The graphics aren't even that appealing. Some of the heroes are just lame. The Stealth Assassin and Rhasta copies in particular.
    Well... every time I went against Assassin with MAge bane he got utterly raped... and he could never kill me... with me flashing around and messing up his mana... or the tree guy who stealths...
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    Quote Originally Posted by yuseke View Post
    After playing it 3 or 4 times, I realized that I would rather just play dota. The graphics aren't even that appealing. Some of the heroes are just lame. The Stealth Assassin and Rhasta copies in particular.
    Well maybe you didnt look at the good thing of the games + They can do whatever they want. Dota is limited to the warcraft 3 engine and s2games can program everything (like reconnecting )
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    Quote Originally Posted by tihi85 View Post
    Are guys stupid or something?
    They are not making another DOTA, we already got DOTA.
    They are making a MMO that is similliar to DOTA, ofc it will have features that dota doesnt have. Stat tracking is normal for a MMO of this type. DOTA is just a map for WC3, MMO needs to be more complexed then that. So stop whining if u dont like it then go play DOTA.
    Also the fact that theyre adding more maps.. there is another map already but noone plays it yet :P. Theyre working on some 2v2/3v3 maps too.
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    The game made me feel like "that kid" in gym class (not that I've ever had that experience personally) but everyone stacks against you and outright say "you suck" then you end up with a crap team and everyone on the other team always picks moon queen and whatever that guy is that gains health by killing (both are completely overpowered) and sometimes pyro though he is a bit op as well....my point is I always see idiots in every game talking trash and picking these same characters....it is overly obvious to me that they are overpowered but I could be wrong.

    Anyways, I won't be playing...I don't expect an award-winning community but at least some form of decency is required unless the game is worth ignoring the community over...which in this case it really isn't.
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    Well...I just installed a bit ago, never played DOTA before >_>

    First match as to be expected I was lost as a mutha. Accidentally started following some guy and it took me like 15 seconds to find out how to stop.

    TheeeEEeeEeeeEeen upon getting pwnt from the opposition multiple times as I hadn't been leveling up...at all.

    Someone kindly asked me to leave as I was "feeding" and should go play a noob game. Thus I had to gather up the bit of dignity I had left and leave the room.

    THEEEEEEEEEeeeeen I go to another room, a "noobs only" room. At first I was worried as I was lvl 1 while everyone was about lvl 4. I was still lagging behind the pack per say. Though that subsided as I ! caught up somehow. Realizing that there were dots on the map to tell me where neutral creeps are and the fact that if I were to kill the other sides NPCs I'd get up there pretty quick. Of course I hadn't made much kills but yah, I feel I was getting the hang of it. I even bought a few stuff from shop in a oh thats what it was for manner.

    Finnaly my third match was interupted in the beginning as my father wanted to have a talk telling me to exit that Diabolical game (Was at Hellbourne side)

    I was doing pretty damned good too =/ Had highest level 5 and was bout to go kick some Legion ***.

    Anywho...its slightly fun, I can see myself playing for >_> few more days without wanting to exit game and go play something else which is a good thing.

    I REALLY would appreciate someone giving me some pointers and explaining things a bit better to me as I just jumped in head first and tried to survive.

    Lastly >_> Like...which are the good people to pick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pok View Post
    Beta testers are allowed to talk about HoN now (no screenies or videos) so here are my first impressions of the game. These are my opinions only:

    The good
    -Voice chat in game
    -A 'dota keys' set up in game
    -Better graphics
    -Concede / Vote kick in game
    -Reconnect

    The bad
    -Stat tracking, if you are playing without friends expect to get owned. You will get pubstomped and you will not be able to find a game that will fill with shuffled players. Bad win / loss or kill / death means that hosts will not have you on their team and your record will only get worse, team stacking is key. I hate stat tracking, it strangles fun from the game. Certain tracked stats are fine (% of games left would be dandy), but the KDR and w/l ratios ruin it, especially since this is a team game and the quality of your team directly affects your stats. Yes, I have terrible stats for HoN, even though I have really good stats for DotA.
    -The game is DotA, but it changed the appearence of all the heroes (some skill changes) and renamed them and the items. You're going to be confused as to which hero can do what for a while.
    -The pretty graphics can obscure what is going on.
    -Lack of DotA's giant hero selection.

    Overall the game isn't bad (I'm starting to think it needs to be balanced a bit more), but it isn't as polished as DotA. Yes, I know it's beta and that a lot of the negatives will likely work themselves out in time.

    Way to go, but remember most (or all) of your points on the negative section will be fixed, it is in closed beta, the priority is bug squashing, new heroes, maps, features all will come and is coming . What about the awesome server solution? I'm just saying, do not judge the game by its current state (it owns now aswell), more content to come, just hang on there .
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    Is anyone here really really good? Like 2.0-2.5+ ratio who'd like to pubstomp with me? xD

    Edit: oh wtf stat reset

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    Quote Originally Posted by H4wkeye View Post
    Well i just had my first game.The game is pretty good but one guy in my team started insulting me from the start,cuz its my first time playing...So i told him:How the **** am i suppose to learn if i dont play.And eventually we DID win.So thats one of the minuses....ppl are douches to new players.Not all of course but some.
    That's the DOTA community, the only community out there thats worse than the Maple Story community. It's not "some players", its "most players". Only a few people are friendly and take it for what it is, a game. Rest take it waaaay too seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H4wkeye View Post
    Well i just had my first game.The game is pretty good but one guy in my team started insulting me from the start,cuz its my first time playing...So i told him:How the **** am i suppose to learn if i dont play.And eventually we DID win.So thats one of the minuses....ppl are douches to new players.Not all of course but some.
    easy, read the forums, they have begginer guides explaining the basic mechanics. you cannot figure out everything urself, read up youl learn quicker. rest comes with skill and awarness.

    you will get flamed for sucking if you feed. if you keep dieing I would flame you also, because it means your not listening to whatever someone tells you. This is the dota community, get used to it. Wait till you play inhouse or ih leagues. Then prepare to get flamed by your whole team if you suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pok View Post
    Uh, no. In DotA there was Forfeit rules just like HoN, if it is obviously one-sided and there is nothing that you can do to win, why play it out instead of getting into another game and having an oppurtunity to win?

    Sitting at your fountain getting farmed on respawn isn't really fun, playing a 25-3 game isn't fun, and playing a 5v3 isn't fun.
    You know what else isn't fun? Not being able to finish a ****ing game due to the other team *****ing out and conceding, probably because they didn't want to 'ruin their stats'.

    Everyone has bad games, but for god sakes, be a man and finish the game you joined you pansy's.

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