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    Does anyone here believe in the American dream? Have one? Or hate it for whatever reason?

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    Didn't it die in the 90's?






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    Quote Originally Posted by Greed View Post
    Didn't it die in the 90's?
    Was thinking the same. It died long ago. Now it's just America.....or something like that.


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    I actually think this is more fit for general, I could see it being a good topic.

    Anyways, to me, the typical American Dream is to "make something from nothing."
    An immigrant without a penny to his name going to America and making his fortune, basically.
    Last edited by Loric; 10-23-2010 at 09:51 AM.

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    Call me disillusioned but to me the American dream is dead, or has mutated into something that someone from the last generation wouldn't recognize it.

    Equal distribution of wealth, i.e. Socialism, does not work, but in the same vain wealth for the few at the expanse of the many should not be allowed in a working nation.

    90% of the World's wealth is controlled by 20% of its people, and personally that ratio sickens me. That number got that high because pay for middle class laborers and people in non-corporate jobs hasn't risen to keep up with inflation but the companies they are employed by keep earning greater profits with the overflow going directly into the highest levels of management and never trickling down to the worker.

    This has caused us to become completely backward where we have a system where the person who works the hardest physically earns the least, unable to pay for services(i.e. Health care), while physically easy jobs pay huge dividends allowing him to have services they do not need to use as often.

    The Rich became richer and worked their way into positions of power to create rules that would allow to become even farther richer and to retain more of that wealth. All the while the Middle class has been slowly bleeding to death over the past 25-30 years with money it didn't have (Loans, Credit, Home equity). With the recent crash the Middle class is again been cut into a smaller % while the wealthy refuse to spend their money.

    If the path doesn't change in 10 years time the American Dream will be nothing but a nightmare that exists in the empty hole between the Upper Class and the Poverty Line.

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    "It's called The American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."

    -George Carlin.

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    Yup it's dead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparks Kincade View Post
    90% of the World's wealth is controlled by 20% of its people, and personally that ratio sickens me. That number got that high because pay for middle class laborers and people in non-corporate jobs hasn't risen to keep up with inflation but the companies they are employed by keep earning greater profits with the overflow going directly into the highest levels of management and never trickling down to the worker.
    Controlled, yes, even owned.

    Not used though.

    What an idiotic though, giving the billions of billions of dollars to working people would not help them a lot, because money can't be eaten, nor can you build a house of money and so forth.

    What would you do with a billion bucks, if everyone had one?
    Look at the number?
    Well, you would look really stupid while doing that and figuring how to buy bread in your crashed economy, where you eradicated all the investment capital and any company in existence has to file chapter 11 because there are no liquid assets left.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparks Kincade View Post
    slowly bleeding to death
    There is no such thing as slowly bleeding to death over centuries.
    Where does the sense of urgency come from?I don't see much of it. The "everything is urgent" and the "we need to keep doing something asap" and the "the growth rate isn't high enough" thinking is the problem, that destabilizes the markets.

    When people forget too look at their life and stop realizing that they do not gain a better life by selling their houses for profit all 2 years, besides that they once again live in a place they didn't build, they didn't pick the bathroom tiles for an that isn't going to make them more happy for that reason, that makes a market crash.

    People who want money for the sake of money, or short people who are morons.

    You and your way of life is what drives the rents up. Not the rents, not the people who own your apartment, not the economy.

    The people who screwed up the world where people who bought a car and an overpriced apartment they don't need on a loan they can't pay back.
    People who are unhappy because they think they deserve to be happy and people who are unhappy because they aren't rich and on tv.

    @The American Dream:
    Well, tbh as long as it translates to "do random reckless stuff and figure out how to confront the problems that arise on the go"; Good riddance.
    Last edited by Ronin; 10-23-2010 at 01:53 PM.

    Stay frosty.

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    Now we call it the Canadian Dream

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    Quote Originally Posted by supe View Post
    Now we call it the Canadian Dream
    Heh, you made me smile. +rep

    As for me, I don't like ideologies.
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