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    Quote Originally Posted by gratscorpio View Post
    The American dream.....is dead and always was dead if you ask me, very few people coming here with nothing ever achieved more than poverty and prejudice...just like they would of if they stayed where they were.

    But at least here they had the freedom and liberty to pursue that life of poverty and prejudice while still holding on to some sort of hope for a better life....lol what a joke.

    The American dream should be rephrased too "Get all the money you can while screwing over everyone even your friends and family because they are all dead weight...oh and be sure to out source jobs and exploit poor people and over work them for shit benefits if any at all and poor pay so you can go buy a Donzi boat and go marlin fishing while sipping $6000 dollar bottles of wine."

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    The american dream is a goal, not a guarantee, you have to work for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gratscorpio View Post
    The American dream.....is dead and always was dead if you ask me, very few people coming here with nothing ever achieved more than poverty and prejudice...just like they would of if they stayed where they were.

    But at least here they had the freedom and liberty to pursue that life of poverty and prejudice while still holding on to some sort of hope for a better life....lol what a joke.

    The American dream should be rephrased too "Get all the money you can while screwing over everyone even your friends and family because they are all dead weight...oh and be sure to out source jobs and exploit poor people and over work them for shit benefits if any at all and poor pay so you can go buy a Donzi boat and go marlin fishing while sipping $6000 dollar bottles of wine."

    The laws are a joke and dream idea is a joke.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Norrin Radd View Post
    It's quite conceited of Americans to assume that things like life and freedom are qualities inherent to their "dream".

    I'm sure that could just be called The Dream, then. Everyone wants life, liberty and to HAVE happiness.
    Say what you will of America, but that dream is imbedded in to our core; it's written in to our law and in to the hearts and minds of its people. America has made mistakes, no one will argue we haven't. But we've also tried our hardest to bring some good to the world. Do we mess up? Ya, but we still try.

    The American Dream is far from dead, but it's not being aided by emerging socialists. People still flock to this country to pursue a life they could never have dreamed of anywhere else. People still come here to live a prejudice free life or simply one where they don't have to be afraid of their government killing them in the middle of the night.

    You want to hear a story of the American Dream? A man that my family and I know was born and raised in Vietnam. When the split happened and when America came to aid South Vietnam, he fought with the American armed forces. After American troops left, this man was captured by the Viet Cong and subjected to ten years of torture in a Viet Cong prison cell. After he was released, the man moved to America and started a new life. He worked his way up to provide his family with the best life he could offer them. While he himself never became a billionaire, he raised four children who dedicated their lives to the medical field and have all become doctors.

    Pull your heads out of your sheeple butts and stop pretending for a second that America has disappeared or abandoned what we once stood for. We've had some hiccups and we've hit some stumbling blocks, but at the end of the day we always get back up. Every day we, as a nation and as a people, work towards bettering ourselves and what we stand for. While I'm sure everyone would like to have those privileges, we, as Americans, know that we've been born with the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That right is guaranteed to no other people.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Str1der View Post
    Say what you will of America, but that dream is imbedded in to our core; it's written in to our law and in to the hearts and minds of its people. America has made mistakes, no one will argue we haven't. But we've also tried our hardest to bring some good to the world. Do we mess up? Ya, but we still try.

    The American Dream is far from dead, but it's not being aided by emerging socialists. People still flock to this country to pursue a life they could never have dreamed of anywhere else. People still come here to live a prejudice free life or simply one where they don't have to be afraid of their government killing them in the middle of the night.

    You want to hear a story of the American Dream? A man that my family and I know was born and raised in Vietnam. When the split happened and when America came to aid South Vietnam, he fought with the American armed forces. After American troops left, this man was captured by the Viet Cong and subjected to ten years of torture in a Viet Cong prison cell. After he was released, the man moved to America and started a new life. He worked his way up to provide his family with the best life he could offer them. While he himself never became a billionaire, he raised four children who dedicated their lives to the medical field and have all become doctors.

    Pull your heads out of your sheeple butts and stop pretending for a second that America has disappeared or abandoned what we once stood for. We've had some hiccups and we've hit some stumbling blocks, but at the end of the day we always get back up. Every day we, as a nation and as a people, work towards bettering ourselves and what we stand for. While I'm sure everyone would like to have those privileges, we, as Americans, know that we've been born with the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That right is guaranteed to no other people.
    Oh give it a rest. "That right is guaranteed to no other people." Of course it is.

    You think being born with the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is an AMERICAN thing? No wonder it's the most hated nation if that is the aura you're collectively giving off. What you just described is simply a birth-given right. I have the right to everything you do, you just have it written down. It makes no difference. In fact, I live in a country where healthcare costs, for all intents and purposes, nothing. I can go in hospital and get a life-saving operation for nothing. Can you?

    Stop acting like the rights you have are exclusive to Americans. It's genuinely sickening. Gays can't marry, abortion is illegal in some places. Yet, you want to talk about how free your nation is? You also include God in your pledge of allegiance. A pledge of allegiance is a laughable concept anyway, but to make everyone, atheists and everyone else included, pledge allegiance to one nation under GOD? F*ck that. That's not free.

    WE'VE done this, WE'VE done that. To quote Chris Rock, "Be a f*cking person." Stop saying WE. Who are you? You're A man. You'd be *****ing at people judging America by the stupid ones, so why are you lumping everyone together? You don't speak for everyone. I don't doubt there are people who share your belief, but there are many, especially now, who do not. "We, as Americans..." Always the way, never thinking as individual humans. I don't give a shit about being a good Englishman, just a good person. Would you not pursue happiness, liberty or life (Whatever the f*ck that means) if you were born in Europe or Canada? Of course you would.

    You're too focused on the WE. People thrive or succeed on their own steam, not because they're Americans.

    You tie so much of your identity into the fact that your parents had sex in America that it's honestly disturbing to me. You could've been born anywhere and you had no say in it. That's all it is. That's the only reason we're born anywhere. Our parents f*cked somewhere and we came out of it. That's not something I'm proud of.

    Patriotism is a plague. A putrid, rotten, festering disease and this world is better off without it. So, as for pulling heads out of butts? If MORE Americans took more time to learn that there's a world outside of their isolated, inter-focused floating fortress of an island continent, they might learn that a lot of the world shares the freedoms you also claim to have. Though, who wants to do that? It's much better to not watch the news and just assume everyone else is living in medieval times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Str1der View Post
    Pull your heads out of your sheeple butts and stop pretending for a second that America has disappeared or abandoned what we once stood for.
    You ****ing torture people...


    Quote Originally Posted by Str1der View Post
    While I'm sure everyone would like to have those privileges, we, as Americans, know that we've been born with the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That right is guaranteed to no other people.
    Does the freedom to pursue happiness include pursuing gray area acts like torturing other Americans, or only the legally established wiretapping and indefinite imprisonment without habeas corpus?
    Last edited by Ronin; 10-31-2010 at 09:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norrin Radd View Post
    not quoting all the text
    I usually argue with you, but your getting +rep for that.
    Last edited by Alivada; 10-31-2010 at 10:31 PM.

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