c9 question

[Kashis]

Well, atleast it's from a totally different developer <.<



How can you say that 1 bow animation looked terrible? It's actually a pretty sick animation.

I'm really not just saying this to be argumentative. I just don't think that is a cool looking skill for a bow user. I know a number of skills in games that really do look better IMO (and I kid you not, I know games on the PS1 that look more impressive when it comes to the skill designs). C9 skill animations focus more on the energy drawn in and released from the weapons than the character's bodies and how they use weapons. Many are unnecessarily flashy though or don't have a good flow to them. That's probably the best way I can explain my problem with them.

Don't get me wrong, sure the game takes skill and I never said it doesn't, it's just irrelevant. I'm just not interested in the game based on the basic physics of it and the animations for the most part. People feel the same way about RaiderZ, and to be honest, on many things I agree because that game's physics aren't that good either and many of the skill animations are not exactly dazzling. The only reason I play that is because, like I mentioned before, it's like the Eden Eternal of the action mmorpg genre: nothing you haven't seen before, but done in a way that is decent enough to be enjoyable for a while.



Another thing,

Would you really be telling me I needed to play RaiderZ till level 20 or 30 to know what the physics of that game is like? Or that you can't tell what it's like from gameplay videos? Am I mistaken or didn't Monkuar post a video about TERA, a visual observation, and compare it to C9 gameplay and ask which was better? So I guess I should be telling him that he has to play the game until level___ before making an assessment about it instead of basing it off of first impressions and/or gameplay videos, even though that's basically what he was asking people to do, right?

Do you and those of you out there watching always give a game a "Fair Shot" before deciding what you think about it? No, and I know the answer is "No" because I've seen many of you saying how you've uninstalled a game, for whatever the reason, minutes after playing it. With any other game, that would be perfectly acceptable, especially if it were something we all agreed was universally mediocre or bad in the first place.

The only reason why you and I are talking right now is because I'm criticizing a game you personally like. If it were any other day and any other game, my opinion wouldn't even matter matter now would it? Or am I mistaken and have we had this conversation about me not trying out a number of other games to level ___ because you really stand by that principle and actually give a damn about what I think as an individual?

Pretty sure the answer to those are "no" too.


I didn't feel like giving C9 a "fair chance" because it does not appeal to me, mainly for the reasons mentioned above, as well as others that would be obvious to anyone who knows what I dislike about games in general (Another one of those things was mentioned in this thread).

I've played enough games to know what I like and don't like, same as you. We all judge accordingly.

[charly1337]

I'm really not just saying this to be argumentative. I just don't think that is a cool looking skill for a bow user. I know a number of skills in games that really do look better IMO (and I kid you not, I know games on the PS1 that look more impressive when it comes to the skill designs). C9 skill animations focus more on the energy drawn in and released from the weapons than the character's bodies and how they use weapons. Many are unnecessarily flashy though or don't have a good flow to them. That's probably the best way I can explain my problem with them.

Don't get me wrong, sure the game takes skill and I never said it doesn't, it's just irrelevant. I'm just not interested in the game based on the basic physics of it and the animations for the most part. People feel the same way about RaiderZ, and to be honest, on many things I agree because that game's physics aren't that good either and many of the skill animations are not exactly dazzling. The only reason I play that is because, like I mentioned before, it's like the Eden Eternal of the action mmorpg genre: nothing you haven't seen before, but done in a way that is decent enough to be enjoyable for a while.



Another thing,

Would you really be telling me I needed to play RaiderZ till level 20 or 30 to know what the physics of that game is like? Or that you can't tell what it's like from gameplay videos? Am I mistaken or didn't Monkuar post a video about TERA, a visual observation, and compare it to C9 gameplay and ask which was better? No, because raiderz is simply a totally different game compared to c9.
Unlike most other games, c9 becomes basically a new game (gameplay wise) once you can advance to a real class, not the case for raiderz.


The only reason why you and I are talking right now is because I'm criticizing a game you personally like. If it were any other day and any other game, my opinion wouldn't even matter matter now would it? Or am I mistaken and have we had this conversation about me not trying out a number of other games to level ___ because you really stand by that principle and actually give a damn about what I think as an individual?

True, if it wasn't about c9, I wouldn't even look at the thread, let alone your post. But obviously I only post in threads that interest me, and if I have to defend something, I will!

And it's just something I've seen a lot with c9, people are playing it till lvl 5 or so, then quitting and saying it's not dynamic, boring and they basically know everything about the game suddenly, these kind of people simply annoy me and I cannot refrain from posting in such a thread.

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[Kashis]

No, because raiderz is simply a totally different game compared to c9.
Unlike most other games, c9 becomes basically a new game (gameplay wise) once you can advance to a real class, not the case for raiderz.

A number of games have classes that behave differently once they acquire new skills/abilities or advance to a new job. That's not something unique to a few games. It doesn't really matter if that is the case though, it doesn't take 20-30 levels of playing a game to know it isn't for you nor does the gameplay becoming more advanced in the later levels make it worth playing to everyone. The basics never change and those are often what turns people away. The basics can be ascertained within usually an hour of playing a game, if not less, unless it's something extremely complex, which C9 is not.

True, if it wasn't about c9, I wouldn't even look at the thread, let alone your post. But obviously I only post in threads that interest me, and if I have to defend something, I will!

That's fine, just don't get iffy when people do the same.

And it's just something I've seen a lot with c9, people are playing it till lvl 5 or so, then quitting and saying it's not dynamic, boring and they basically know everything about the game suddenly, these kind of people simply annoy me and I cannot refrain from posting in such a thread.

C9 is not that unique though and at the very least that's one of the biggest issues people have with you guys constantly praising it and refusing and ignoring any negative criticism about it. That and you constantly talking about it in other threads not about C9, comparing it to the game, and then saying the games shouldn't even be compared in the first place because they are nothing alike in another thread, which is hypocritical.

You can't have it both ways. If you guys feel C9 is truly unique, stop mentioning how other games fail to match up to it in other threads when they shouldn't be compared in the first place by your standards, if you really think that C9 is chess and everything else is just checkers. If you on some level agree, however, that C9 does share similarities with other games in the same genre then you are going to have to learn how to accept other people's opinions about what they think of the game isn't good, same as you do to pretty much all others, and quit complaining about them when they do.

Regardless of whether or not people compare C9 to anything, you are just going to have to accept the fact that there will be people who don't like it because of how it is, plain and simple, because nothing you guys are saying is changing anyone's mind. And I'm one of them.

Or you know, just play the game. That usually works out better than trying to impress upon people how good something is based on your standards. Because I'll assure you people are just as annoyed about that as you are about people being "C9 know-it-alls who know nothing".

[Beatrix23]

Kashis, seriously why you still here arguing? You dont like C9. We get it. You admitted yourself, you didnt even play it much. We did. Actually, I played Dragon Nest and Vindictus till lvl cap. Probably all similiar games. Why? Because I like its genre. And I still think C9 is best PvP wise. Despite its many flaws. I made a post about this in official C9 thread. Nothing is perfect. PvE wise I prefer DN. But DN's and Vindictus PvP are a complete joke. C9 graphic style is more darkish and adultish, which I also prefer. DN is opposite with colorful rainbow unicorn kiddy graphics. Sure Tera looks better. But I dont play games because of eye candy. I can see perfect graphics in real life. All of this is subjective.

[charly1337]

A number of games have classes that behave differently once they acquire new skills/abilities or advance to a new job. That's not something unique to a few games. It doesn't really matter if that is the case though, it doesn't take 20-30 levels of playing a game to know it isn't for you nor does the gameplay becoming more advanced in the later levels make it worth playing to everyone. The basics never change and those are often what turns people away. The basics can be ascertained within usually an hour of playing a game, if not less, unless it's something extremely complex, which C9 is not.

You are again talking as if you were the master of the game, just ridiculous and we should stop this discussion here.




Regardless of whether or not people compare C9 to anything, you are just going to have to accept the fact that there will be people who don't like it because of how it is, plain and simple, because nothing you guys are saying is changing anyone's mind. And I'm one of them.

Well, because you are too conservative for such a game, simple as that, but that's okay, everybody can like what they want
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10char enough of this now

[Kashis]

Kashis, seriously why you still here arguing?

I thought it would be rude not to respond to people talking to me and asking me questions, like yourself.

Sure Tera looks better.

I agree, but some people might not like you making that comparison.

All of this is subjective.

Couldn't have said it better myself.


Great talk.