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    for the beginner skill list i have 3 heroes who i think arent really beginner friendly. windrunner is more a intermediate hero has her shackle is hella hard to actually hit/her ult is useless till later so the "ult at every level it availible" that most beginners know or are told is not true. tusk is again more intermediate imo. you have to carefully plan your skills since the cooldowns are insanely long and he is just not great anyways. finally slark is very intermediate. his jump is so hard to actually connect with/his purge skill is only used for the purging property as it doesn't do much. his ult is great unless the other team is competent and wards. why is drow not on the beginner list? all she has to do is auto attack and she wins. most newbie players won't be able to shut her down.

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    Well, in a nutshell, all skill-shot heroes aren't really beginner friendly. For one, I'm very, very afraid of new players using Earthshaker.

    Witch Doctor is.. not too bad for new players to play around with too.

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    yeah skillshot heroes are no no heroes for beginners. crystal maiden is very beginner friendly as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfullfears View Post
    for the beginner skill list i have 3 heroes who i think arent really beginner friendly. windrunner is more a intermediate hero has her shackle is hella hard to actually hit/her ult is useless till later so the "ult at every level it availible" that most beginners know or are told is not true. tusk is again more intermediate imo. you have to carefully plan your skills since the cooldowns are insanely long and he is just not great anyways. finally slark is very intermediate. his jump is so hard to actually connect with/his purge skill is only used for the purging property as it doesn't do much. his ult is great unless the other team is competent and wards. why is drow not on the beginner list? all she has to do is auto attack and she wins. most newbie players won't be able to shut her down.
    Yeah I'm with you on this.

    Although I still think Windrunner is one of the easier characters to use in Dota since the only true skillshot she has is her Powershot. Yes, her shackle shot is a bit tricky to land but the range for the shackles are pretty big so its pretty forgiving.

    Slark should not be on that list as you actually have to hit your target with his leap for him to even do anything. Landing his leap is essential to getting kills with Slark.

    I also would not recommend Shadow Demon as a beginner friendly hero as you can actually save your enemy from your team if you disrupt them. He's more intermediate instead.

    Bane is also an intermediate hero as you can actually screw your team over if they don't know how his skills work and you'll be saving your enemy quite a few times when your carry decides to auto attack a sleeping target.

    Earthshaker easy skills, but again you can save your enemy with his Fissure.

    Riki may seem easy, but most new players will not know how to use him properly as he has no stuns and is very weak early game. Also once they get to 6 they might get over-confident and just feed constantly.

    As for who should be on that list:

    Skeleton King....he has one skill that's a stun/nuke.

    Dragon Knight has a stun, a wave clearing nuke, and a can morph into a dragon has range auto attacks.

    Sladar a very easy semi-carry that has a point blank stun, a debuff/reveal, a speed boost, and a passive that gives him bash.

    Chaos Knight two types of stuns, insane crit passive, and can create illusions. RNG dependent, but easy to play none the less.

    Drow auto-attacks, perma-slow, and an AOE silence.

    Troll Warlord all you have to do is know when to switch between range or melee and use your ult like crazy. His Axe Spin/Throw skill is easy to land and use.
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    also phantom lancer is so beginner and op. you auto attack for illusions u have an invis and a slow/nuke so can't get easier than that. also bristle is beginner friendly i think. u have a stacking slow/armor shredder and a spammable stacking attack and a passive ult.

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    I'd advise new players to go for Lich or Lion as they both aren't very reliant on items and don't have to worry about mana management.

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    true and as lion u literally don't have to try. u have a targetable line stun/mana drain/hex/targetable high damage ult. he requires no thought at all. same with PL and drow.

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    add Crystal Maiden on intelligence heroes along with Krobelus too. such easy hero to play with. as for the strength i do believe Skel King should be included. on Agi, i agree with drow and maybe AM too?
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    yeah i said crystal maiden earlier. also add queen of pain. she might have 4 active skills but she is so easy to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfullfears View Post
    also phantom lancer is so beginner and op. you auto attack for illusions u have an invis and a slow/nuke so can't get easier than that. also bristle is beginner friendly i think. u have a stacking slow/armor shredder and a spammable stacking attack and a passive ult.
    PL isn't easy. He's easy to play but if you're a beginner, chances are you are complete shit at last hitting. I don't enjoy playing 4vs5 for 50 minutes until he can catch up.

    QoP isn't easy either. If you mistime your blink, chances are you're going to get punished for it. She's strong in the right hands, not so much otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wintersun View Post
    PL isn't easy. He's easy to play but if you're a beginner, chances are you are complete shit at last hitting. I don't enjoy playing 4vs5 for 50 minutes until he can catch up.

    QoP isn't easy either. If you mistime your blink, chances are you're going to get punished for it. She's strong in the right hands, not so much otherwise.

    Well you can pretty much take off most of the Agility heroes since last hitting is so essential and with most new players it will be pretty hard.

    But at lower skill levels where wards and dust are barely used PL can get away scotch free and continue endless farming for days on end until he becomes un-killable.

    I also think Gyrocopter is a pretty easy hero to pick up as well, but my only concern with most new players is their awareness to ganks and ganking with some of the heroes out there. Some easy to play heroes are so heavily reliant on gank kills to make them snowball, in a hand of a new player who has no idea when to gank they are pretty much dead weight.
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    also beginners shouldn't play mid. they will never leave mid, they won't buy a bottle, they won't rune control, and they will get greedy and get ganked.

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    Thanks for the suggestions and feedback. I will update it after my Wednesday exam, been stuck studying and only really turn on Dota to watch Tournament Vods while doing practice problems.

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    The following heroes were removed from the suggested hero list: Bane, Earthshaker, Disruptor, Slark, Riki, and Magnus.

    Added: Death Prophet and Crystal Maiden.

    I'm still debating over the other carry suggestions like Phantom Lancer, Drow and Gyrocopter. These heroes require farm. Drow maybe not so much but after the change even her passive goes away if she is too close. Besides, they are very squishy heroes. I added Crystal Maiden after the suggestion but did not do so before because of her very slow movement speed. But if other people feel she is fine for beginner, she belongs on the list.

    As for not going middle, beginners will be queued against other beginners meaning that atleast one beginner will have to go mid. The matchmaking system works pretty well from my experience, but maybe that is only due to the higher rankings. Not sure how it is in the lower brackets.

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    lol match making is messed up. the other day i was in q for single or all random and so i loaded in and no one on either team had less than 300+ wins and someone on my team had 876 while i have around 60 wins. sometimes on the other team 3 people will q up together all with 100+ wins while my team is 20-40 wins and we get crushed. russians also ruin games very easily. i wish there was a way to not get matched with them. i mean i only connect to US east and west but so do they which sucks cause the whole game all i see is "-ping" >_> sorry it's hard not to rant when matches are blatantly one sided cause my team can't buy a fu@!ing courier and decides that 5 hard carries wins games.

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    DoTa 2 is my main game currently, I used to play LoL a lot, but I feel the items and characters are more unique in DoTa (i still play LoL though). I like to play carries, though only with premades (i hate relying on bad random non-premades). Some people may not like DoTa 2 as you lose gold when you die, but I think it adds a nice element to the game.

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    It happens sinfull. I have many match where i got to play 2-3 pro players(IG and Orange players), and obviously they have 2k+ wins while I only have 90+ wins that time. I play on SEA server btw. It made me believe about what I read on their dev forum that every player is graded on 1-100 depending on how he plays. and dats how the matchmaking works. Regardless of how you're graded, I still believe hero picks and lineups are the main deciding factor of every match result.
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    Number of wins doesn't determine who you are matched up against. It all depends on how often you win and who you win/lose against. We have to real idea how the matchmaking works though so it's all guesses at this point. However, for me it has been working great.

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    For anyone who wants to learn how to play Dota 2, I ocassionally stream. I play in IX-DL and MatchMaking sometimes as well, I try to commentate as much as I can, but sometimes I go silent since i'm not used to it. I'm pretty good at the game in case you're wondering.

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    Unfortunately Bristleback coverage will not be published this time around. Due to exams I have not been able to finish it to a point where enough people would be interested in reading it. On the bright side, just one week to go!

    Hope everyone's exams and Dotering is going well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abubakr View Post
    Unfortunately Bristleback coverage will not be published this time around. Due to exams I have not been able to finish it to a point where enough people would be interested in reading it. On the bright side, just one week to go!

    Hope everyone's exams and Dotering is going well!
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    - Added Skywrath Mage!

    COMMUNITY
    - Added stricter system implementing communication (voice and text) bans for abusive players.
    - Combined voice and text reports into a single 'communication' report.
    - Reduced reports per week to 4.
    - Removed ability for spectators to report players in-game.
    - Reports now allow single selection of behavior type only.

    GAMEPLAY
    - Beastmaster: Fixed Wild Axes losing vision after the second cast.
    - Doom: Scorched Earth now shows its duration on the buff icon.
    - Lich: Fixed Frost Armor auto-casting while Lich is channeling.
    - Magnus: Fixed a rare crash involving Skewer.
    - Slardar: Fixed Slithereen Crush not slowing attack speed.
    - Spectre: Fixed Haunt illusions moving while out of the game.
    - Timbersaw: Fixed Timberchain travelling too fast.
    - Timbersaw: Fixed Timberchain not latching quite far enough.
    - Tusk: Fixed Tusk not issuing an attack order on the snowballed unit after the snowball crashes.
    - Enabled Drow and Tusk to Captain's Mode (Tournament Version next week)

    UI
    - Added tab to the Watch section showing downloaded replay files.

    VISUALS
    - Riki: Added Smoke Screen and Blink Strike animations.
    - Sniper: Added victory animations and more aggressive posing of idle, run and attack when enemy is in range.

    BOTS
    - Bots now know to avoid standing in Macropyre and Ice Path.

    WORKSHOP
    - Added a button to the preview that allows you to test your imported model in-game, in a local server.
    Skyrath Mage is here!

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    Can't wait to play with him. Super strong solo mid hero, will definitely make a big impact in comp. play.

    Drow and Tusk to comp. play. Drow might see some play. For Tusk, I don't know. Maybe as a surprise pick where you need some initiation through a blink dagger because he can get someone into a good position, but that's about it.

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    I would like to see Drow on eary rosh line-ups in competitive matches :3
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