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    lol silencer is no carry. he have have got a revamp but he is still useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfullfears View Post
    lol silencer is no carry. he have have got a revamp but he is still useless.
    He might not be one of the stronger carries but he is still quite useful. Just having his ult up can change the tide of all team fights.

    In other news, Dota 6.77c is here.

    * Tranquil Boots disabled speed reduced from 50 to 25
    * Tranquil Boots heal increased from 170 to 250
    * Tranquil Boots cooldown increased from 40 to 60
    * Tranquil Boots heal duration increased from 10 to 20
    * Illuminate manacost increased from 150 to 150/160/170/180
    * Illuminate AOE reduced from 400 to 350
    * Spiked Carapace duration reduced from 2.75 to 2.25
    * Spiked Carapace cooldown increased from 14 to 23/20/17/14
    * Marksmanship bonus is removed when there are nearby enemy heroes (instead of just being halved)
    * Reduced Marksmanship enemy detection aoe reduced from 400 to 375
    * Heaven’s Halberd's Disarm is no longer dispelled by Manta
    * Living Armor damage reduction is now done for all instances of damage that reduce its charges
    Previous Living Armor Behavior: It would eat up charges from all damage sources, but only absorb some damage from heroes physical attacks

    New Living Armor Behavior: Still eats up charges from all sources (including magic), but absorbs some damage from them as well
    Pretty big nerfs to Drow and Tranquil boots.
    Last edited by Abubakr; 03-16-2013 at 05:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skarcrow View Post
    bkb blocks doom ulti, linkin sphere repel etc.

    later in game 1.3hp off of ur hp isnt much tbh, thats like 3 hits from a carry

    alchemist is just the harder carry, not noobie friendly if u ask me, but if play right hes very strong and OP cause of his ulti its like troll's ulti+syllabear's ulti together

    and for tournament heroes that get pick often, its because those heroes are easier to play and carry ex. PL and gyro to counter the pl picks, this 2 heroes can push and counter push very good,
    1. Doom-> Cant use BKB
    2. BKB-> Doom, still silenced and taking damage
    3. Level death-> Linkens -> Doom
    4. BKB up->Doom- Linkens-> Countered

    BKB+Linkens... wow thats 9075 gold counter right there
    Doom Drow? Lost Her R
    Doom PA? Lost her crit and evasion
    Doom Ursa? Lost Fury Swipes
    Doom Sniper? Looses headshot
    Doom Weaver? Looses Gemini
    Doom Antimage? Looses mana burn
    ....
    Do you have
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    Well you just won not having their passives!

    Do you want to activate
    BKB,any item that can be activated... nope

    He counters ALOT of carries because their items passives, and their passives make them, and can dish out the pain/help lane mates

    With anti mage, you have mana burn!
    you can have
    Troll Priest:+2 mana regen and a 0.5 CD 15hp heal (solo lane survivability)
    Ghost's 20% attack speed/ move speed slow (slow the carry on smacks
    AOE stun/ +15% attack speed (Aoe stuns are nice and more attack speed is great for your carry too!)
    Mana burn (anti-mage's ult)
    20% 2 x crit strike + 30% more damage (team fights)
    +5 HP regen, and 100 damage shockwave (again laning)
    Tornado, +3 armour (meh the tornado does decent damage
    Net and raise dead (okay raise dead is kinda bad but meh long range hold!)
    Purge (40% slow and can remove buffs is pretty good)

    He really ****s over a carry, and with hands of midas and getting fed he can usually finish his build 30-40 mins into the game, if not usually 40-50 mins*
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfullfears View Post
    lol silencer is no carry. he have have got a revamp but he is still useless.
    Silencer is an excellent hero who can transition into a solid semi-carry. Glaives do a ridiculous amount of damage and his ult gives one of the best initiation/counter initiation in the game.

    @Gadiel
    You forgot how Doom has: 0 lane presence, 0 armor, 0 AoE, meh teamfight, and a lot of other weaknesses. Most popular carries right now can farm faster than Doom while having more presence than Doom. Yes, his ult is strong but once you drop it, whoever you drop it on simply has to run away and he's fine. The era of "tanky radiance carries" is dead and long gone for now. He could be seen as a surprise counter pick to a Tinker, but still, he will get outcarried by pretty much anything right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wintersun View Post
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    @Gadiel
    Yes, his ult is strong but once you drop it, whoever you drop it on simply has to run away and he's fine.
    Or the target ulted is "doomed" to ne denied. Anyway the ability lose so much in mid game. Is good to send in confusion the players in low level pubs

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    after a little break, 2 months maybe? , I seem to have lost all my skill. which was not a lot in the first place anyway.
    Also, why do axe items seem...so common? the amount of items I have.

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    doom can be used as tank and to shut down (silence) 1 hero on a teamfight. but many would prefer NS over him especially on competitive matches.
    laning - NS>Doom
    teamfight - NS>Doom
    ganks - NS>Doom
    farm - Doom>NS
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    The main selling point about Doom is the ability to block item usage. No other hero is capable of doing so, but even then he's not a favourable pick in the current meta. He's not too bad in pubs as if you're laning with a friend, it's quite easy to beat another lane consisting of two solo players due to the edge gained by communication and knowledge on each others play style. But in a game where everyone can work well together, he can easily get shutdown in a lane. Maybe trilane Doom to get him some farm, but why would you do that? It's much better to do the same with another stronger hero such as Anti Mage or Phantom Lancer. He's not as popular now due to change in the meta.

    I just wish the current meta was more open to Spectre. I love playing Spectre, but then again, I love to farm.

    Also, I know I said I would update the OP with information for new players but I was caught up with work over the weekend. I'll get to it ASAP. Sorry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abubakr View Post
    The main selling point about Doom is the ability to block item usage. No other hero is capable of doing so, but even then he's not a favourable pick in the current meta. He's not too bad in pubs as if you're laning with a friend, it's quite easy to beat another lane consisting of two solo players due to the edge gained by communication and knowledge on each others play style. But in a game where everyone can work well together, he can easily get shutdown in a lane. Maybe trilane Doom to get him some farm, but why would you do that? It's much better to do the same with another stronger hero such as Anti Mage or Phantom Lancer. He's not as popular now due to change in the meta.

    I just wish the current meta was more open to Spectre. I love playing Spectre, but then again, I love to farm.

    Also, I know I said I would update the OP with information for new players but I was caught up with work over the weekend. I'll get to it ASAP. Sorry!
    Spectre needs some big changes to her laning phase. You basically need to miss 0 CS for the first twenty minutes and get like 2 items before considering fighting. Her lane presence is inexistant and she's so easy to shutdown it's not even funny. :|

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    Even worse now after tranquil changes. :S

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    Nice! If GOM picks it up, I'll definitely resub.

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    Weekly Update!!!

    Added BristleBack
    dat pig! excited to play now
    you won't like me when i'm angry birds of the same feather flocks together.

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    Love that hero! Going to be playing him over the weekend. Finals are coming up so I hope I can play enough of him and finish the coverage article soon. However, exams come before Dota at this time.

    - Added Bristleback!

    GAMEPLAY
    - Broodmother: Fixed Insatiable Hunger cooldown on level 1 and 3.
    - Dragon Knight: Fixed Dragon Blood armor bonus not carrying over to Illusions.
    - Dragon Knight: Fixed Elder Dragon Form frost slow getting dispelled when target initially becomes Magic Immune.
    - Doom: Fixed Doom damage being blocked by Pipe.
    - Enchantress: Fixed Nature's Attendants lasting 1 second less than intended.
    - Huskar: Fixed Life Break leap moving too fast.
    - Magnus: Fixed Shockwave hitting units behind you.
    - Mirana: Fixed Mirana's Leap range being slightly too short.
    - Nyx Assassin: Fixed Impale traveling too far.
    - Phantom Lancer: Fixed being able to have 1 juxtapose illusion too many
    - Razor: Fixed Static Link break range being 25 too short.
    - Shadow Shaman: Fixed Shackles doing a little less damage than intended.
    - Slark: Fixed Pounce not initiating an attack order on the leashed target.
    - Templar Assassin: Fixed Meld buff getting dispelled.
    - Visage: Fixed Familiars not getting affected by Chronosphere.
    - Weaver: Fixed being The Swarm units being unable to Latch onto sleeping units.
    - Weaver: Fixed The Swarm getting permanently dispelled if the enemy is invulnerable .
    - Weaver: Fixed the Swarm units not doing their initial attack immediately upon latching.
    - Added Psuedo Random chance for Roshan's Bash.
    - Fixed Eye of Skadi frost slow getting dispelled when target initially becomes Magic Immune.
    - Fixed Diffusal Blade proccing multiple damage instances.
    - Fixed heroes flickering on the minimap when walking by Sentry Wards while under Smoke of Deceit.

    UI
    - Pausing in a practice or tournament game now prevents the team that paused from querying units, moving the camera or accessing the shop.
    - Added ability and item notes, detailed tooltips that will display only if ALT is pressed.
    - Adjusted Replay Highlight scene leadin time a bit.
    - Arcane Boots now has 'mana' as a shop alias.
    - Wisp name change to Io.
    - Added 10 second rewind button to replay controls.
    - Spectator Items panel now takes up less space and shows items ordered by value.
    - Steam friends can be added, removed, and friendship requests confirmed/ignored from within Dota 2.

    VISUALS
    - New Vengeful Spirit model.
    - Added in-game models for when the following items are dropped from inventory into the world: Gem of True Sight, Observer Wards, and Sentry Wards.

    BOTS
    - Added Bounty Hunter bot.
    - Significantly revised how Roam mode works.

    AUDIO
    - Revised Beastmaster's voice.

    DOTA 2 STORE
    - Added the Treasure Key of the Cursed Wood and the Treasure Key of the Shaper Divine.
    - Several old keys have returned to the store along with a very low drop rate for some older community chests.
    - The current set of community crates will no longer expire, but their drop rate will be decreased over time and their rarity increased over time.
    - Added new sets for Brewmaster, Lich, Riki, Juggernaut, Beastmaster, and Spectre.
    - Added a couple new couriers!


    http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=79951

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    so he is not longer a pig but a porcupine? also his passive is pretty bad imo. only works if u get hit from the side or back? so odd. though quill spray is nice and his ult is a passive which is cool too. oh idk if this was in dota 1 but if his passive from getting hit in the back procs quill spray does his ult also proc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfullfears View Post
    so he is not longer a pig but a porcupine? also his passive is pretty bad imo. only works if u get hit from the side or back? so odd. though quill spray is nice and his ult is a passive which is cool too. oh idk if this was in dota 1 but if his passive from getting hit in the back procs quill spray does his ult also proc?
    His passive has always worked like that.

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    i didnt play dota 1 as i never played warcraft 3 so these heroes are all new to me. i just think its a wasted skill.

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    You just have to get used to changing the direction you are facing. It's only a wasted skill if you don't use it properly. He's one of those heroes that you will be punished for chasing due to reduced damage and automatically stacking damage from quills.

    Play him a bit and you'll come to love that skill.

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    I give up. untill they 'fix' MM I'm not playing. lvl 8? just started the game? only 140 games? lets put you up against level 20's who have 500 games and way more experience.
    Yes its all about skill, but nothing skillful bout pub stomping newbies.

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    I used to be meh about boar, his slow is a bit like batrider. He snowballs like a beast though, if you can't kill him early then you won't end up killing him at all, laned with strong nuker and you pretty much win the lane. Also I also think that MM is totally broken, I think it should take in consideration skill level a lot more than it does. Most games aren't remotely balanced and I keep getting queued with spanish/portugese/chinese teams which usually mean autolose because their pings are usually too high and they have no communication skills.

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    I don't know, I always find MM to work pretty well. It's not perfect and can mess up at times due to language barriers but I always get skilled players on both teams.

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    why is timbersaw not used much? i used him twice recently and did really well as him. i don't see why he is not used.

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    Bristleback plays the role of the "Stove". What happens when you touch a stove? You burn yourself. So basically, ignore him completely and you'll be fine. He can snowballs if he gets some kills and okay farm. If you want to counter him hard, just buy a quick magic wand and you'll be set for the laning phase. He doesn't do that much damage unless you focus his back.

    Also, his model needs to be bigger. He's not as intimidating as he should be. I also wish Quill Spray wasn't a single particle effect. This could have been better.

    Quote Originally Posted by sinfullfears View Post
    why is timbersaw not used much? i used him twice recently and did really well as him. i don't see why he is not used.
    His best place is a solo vs solo lane. He's okay at ganking but his ult is easy to dodge and unless you have a huge *** mana pool to Chain yourself into positions early on, you won' t get kills. He's also not amazing at getting solo kills unless you're running him on a sidelane. He's kind of awkward because he doesn't do anything that great except laning 1vs1 against a carry like Void or Weaver. His passive is really, really good early on but that's about it.

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    his ult is easy to setup on people. i have used it to initiate and also to escape. like last night i threw it in front of myself while being chased they ran through it and got slowed and then i brought it back to me and it slowed them again and i easily got away. also pure damage with his saw attack if u hit a tree is easy to do.

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    I feel like Timbersaw needs to either be left alone for a while or get lots of kills early on. He needs a large mana pool to be effective. He's lots of fun to play though and he was picked up in a competitive match once, can't remember the match. I believe they won.

    And yes, Bristleback is so small... My article on him will be named something along the lines of Dota 2: Another Courier or something making fun of his size... He's as big as a courier without his ult.

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    yeah as timber u need some farm and some early kills or at least assists to do well. he can't out carry but he tanks quite well cause of his passive and he has very high mobility and since he does pure damage he kills tanks easy.

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