Divergent Online - Hardcore Sci-Fi Sandbox MMO

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    i honestly don't know why people get duped into putting money into kickstarter.

    Number One: It can be ILLEGAL. In many western jurisdictions, it can be illegal to solicit money from the public unless you are licensed by some banking regulator.

    Number Two: the reason why it is a regulated activity is because too many people end up cheating innocent investors, That is right: either they are criminals to start off with or they start with good intentions, realise everything is FUBAr, then they start lying to protect themselves.

    Either way promoting such an industry ends up in a percentage of innocent investors being hurt. This percentage can grow quite large depending on how successful the con artists are. So i would never touch kickstarter games. If they can get off the ground fine. If not, they need to go get some real lawyers to help them out. Supporting kickstarter is like promoting a Vegas Casino industyr - in the end u will attract organised crime and shysters.
    Be warned - I am a major player of Regnum Online the mmo. I've been playing it for about 2 years and rarely go without logging in at least once a day. You can also look at good alternatives to Regnum such ase Aion online and Aika Online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenvoo View Post
    i honestly don't know why people get duped into putting money into kickstarter.

    Number One: It can be ILLEGAL. In many western jurisdictions, it can be illegal to solicit money from the public unless you are licensed by some banking regulator.

    Number Two: the reason why it is a regulated activity is because too many people end up cheating innocent investors, That is right: either they are criminals to start off with or they start with good intentions, realise everything is FUBAr, then they start lying to protect themselves.

    Either way promoting such an industry ends up in a percentage of innocent investors being hurt. This percentage can grow quite large depending on how successful the con artists are. So i would never touch kickstarter games. If they can get off the ground fine. If not, they need to go get some real lawyers to help them out. Supporting kickstarter is like promoting a Vegas Casino industyr - in the end u will attract organised crime and shysters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by queenvoo View Post
    Either way promoting such an industry ends up in a percentage of innocent investors being hurt.
    Not sure if trolling, but remember our talk in September?

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    Right now, lack of interest in cutting-edge ideas from indie developers is the disease. And KickStarter is the cure.
    Quote Originally Posted by queenvoo View Post
    yes, you are quite right c games have become mainstream - and boring some few indie devs continue to do well - mount and blade, magicka and possibly i think realm of the mad god and of course minecraft. but most flop i suspect.
    We had this^ conversation before, and you had agreed about indie games not doing well.

    Quote Originally Posted by queenvoo View Post
    Supporting kickstarter is like promoting a Vegas Casino industyr - in the end u will attract organised crime and shysters.
    True. And when scamming Kickstarter backers becomes mainstream, then corporatization of the gaming industry will be complete. So I'd rather be scammed by some Kickstarter con artist rather than be scammed by Nexon/NCsoft/Outspark/Gameforge. Fortunately for me, I can recognize stolen screenshots. And Divergent Online is not stealing any intellectual property (ignoring the music in their trailer). So why are you bringing-up con artists? Do you really think that this guy is conning the MMO community in order to get "revenge" on "innocent" venture capitalists? So we should avoid indie KickStarter and IndieGogo projects entirely so that investors do not face any market-competition. Is THAT what you are trying to say??
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    um... well its not about theft of IP or about whether kickstarter is good for the industry (it's good, but maybe only in the short term).

    it's more just about the great vulnerability of the kickstarter model to fraud and deception by people raising money.
    when it is so easy to raise money, invariably the marketplace becomes like a horse betting shop, replete with all the illegal race fixing and fraudulent conduct which is known to affect that industry.

    personally, i would wait until the regulators design proper oversight guidelines for kickstarter styled startups. small cap raisings laws already require there to be signed documentation and certification by accountants and lawyers -- this way when those business owners fail, investors can have someone to sue and get their money back. otherwise, those kickstarter businesses which fail just vanish into the darkness and these fraudsters will repeat the recipe again and again.

    a good lawyer or politician can adapt present laws to make sure kickstarter does not lose its vibrancy. this way indie game developers can continue to enjoy investor interest and investors can continue to be protected.
    Be warned - I am a major player of Regnum Online the mmo. I've been playing it for about 2 years and rarely go without logging in at least once a day. You can also look at good alternatives to Regnum such ase Aion online and Aika Online.

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    what exactly this game has to offer than others dont?

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    My point is... It takes half an hour to contact the developers yourself and get some documentation. But hiring a lawyer to endorse every single KickStarter/IndieGogo project is NOT financially viable. If you are donating several thousand of dollars, then documentation is probably a good idea. But if you are donating $10 to get into a beta, then do you really need a signed contract?

    EDIT: Guess I'm defensive about KickStarter since I've donated so much money to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narog View Post
    what exactly this game has to offer than others dont?
    Slow development, unknown if it'll ever release, unknown features, advertising claiming how different the game is going to be not ran by a greedy company (yet they give whole islands to whoever donates a good chunk of money...that made me laugh a bit).

    Sounds like a good deal to me...

    As much as I'd love to see more indie projects getting popular and being launched, it's like opening a Fast Food restaurant between a McDonalds and a Domino's...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamaris View Post
    Slow development, unknown if it'll ever release, unknown features, advertising claiming how different the game is going to be not ran by a greedy company (yet they give whole islands to whoever donates a good chunk of money...that made me laugh a bit).

    Sounds like a good deal to me...

    As much as I'd love to see more indie projects getting popular and being launched, it's like opening a Fast Food restaurant between a McDonalds and a Domino's...
    That's funny... I could have swore you were talking about big corporation games at first.

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    They are at $6000 raised. Better than I expected, but less than they need with 1/3rd of the funding period gone.
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    From what I've seen from the developer's plan, I'm almost entirely sure this game will not ever be released.

    $50k is not anywhere near enough to bring a game this infant in the development process out the door, and one person, however dedicated, will not change it. The fact that the developer believes $50k is enough tells you he has no industry experience to speak of.

    Furthermore, the videos literally show you NOTHING about the game. It's just a visual presentation that a few people, with decent work ethic, can throw together in month or two.
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