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    Hey all!

    Not very often in recent memory has there been something going on that impacts the online gaming community enough to get me hyped up. Maybe the City of Heroes event. Certainly the threat of SOPA. But right now the Camelot Unchained Kickstarter isn't looking great and I can't stand the thought of seeing it not make that goal.

    Anyway I've written up a piece of what its failure might mean for the industry as a whole since its received enough spotlight that the ripple effects are going to be far felt.



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    You know why so many back off from Supporting it. :9

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    Like I said before, 2 mills are way too much. I dont think they'll make it. I didnt pledge (nor will I ever pledge to anything).
    Regardless of that I'd like to see the game continue.

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    Im sorry, Even though the idea is great and all... In its form right now. Its just some guy throwing ideas at you stating what his ideal MMO would be... Theres nothing really physical to reinforce anything.... The whole video makes me feel like If I pledged money, It wouldnt go to the game... but the guy himself... Cause thats all he could seem to talk about...

    But another similar game would be Richard Garriot's Shroud of the Avatar.... which I feel is wayyy more deserving of pledges than this game. Yes, Richard Garriot's is also kinda egotistical.... but so far all of his games where cult successes and extremely fun to play...

    Also, I feel your review is kinda like trying to make us feel bad that we arnt gonna back up a game that for most of us feels like bunch of hot air...
    There are so... SO many other games that are getting backers and pledgers and donators, but what those games have, is a bunch of guys who took the time to actually make a Tech Demo, a proof of concept... Well anything more physcial than a bunch of screenshots and some guy talking about how he made (Insert some shitty iphone sounding game here) oh and he helped make the first age of camelot....

    I mean yea I agree with some things you posted... but im sorry... Camelot Unchained isnt going be this linchpin that will start this horrible ripple effect. If it gets its money, GREAT!, if it doesnt... Maybe they should make some demos and actually show people something... Then try again a second time...

    In the meantime, I'll stick to pledging money to. Starcitizen, Shroud of the Avatar and Guns of Icarus: Adventure mode. All games that could be considered "Indie Titles".
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    Damn, Dizzy. You're a real CU fanboy aren't you? lol
    Gotta say that I agree with Imaword2.
    Sure, he can talk a lot, and lots of what he says sounds great. But if I am to invest my money, I want to see proof of what I am about to invest in actually exists.
    Never been a fan of Kickstarter to begin with... Won't pledge anything unless I am really convinced. And sadly CU just doesn't convince me even if in theory their concept sounds unique.

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    i don't understand why Mark J is going about Camelot U in this way. As he has so much experience and credibility, why doesn't he do a proper straightforward capital raising from the expert venture cap guys? I understand maybe he does not want to give them equity, but at least he can put together a proper ownership structure?

    I feel the little guys putting in $25 each is good because it spreads the risk, but I feel this type of structure doesn't give Mark the weighted balance of encouragement and incentive he needs to make sure the money isn't wasted. What if soemthing goes wrong over the next two years and the $25 little guys are at risk of losing all their money? Who is going to come in to help Mark J then? Will it be some big investor who will get mark J to competely change the direction of the MMO? Why should the little guys be harmed then?

    So, I sort of feel if he is going to do something and raise money from the small $25 guys then
    1) It should be much much smaller
    2) It should be much more concrete and not just a torrent of ideas. Mark J is experienced, surely he can put together a 6-10 page slideshow of what the mmo is.
    3) And it should involve some credible professionals. Maybe a law firm, accoutning firm to certify his projections. If Mark J has money he should put it to those guys.

    I'm also interested in the return of Richard Garriott - but, im also waiting to see if he can really do a pure gfx update of the old UO without changing the gameplay.

    Either way i wish them both the best of cap raising + gaming good fortune!
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    he need to show use full game demo. and he programming skill first. hell the guy who made the Oculus Rift VR headset. he use his own money to make tech demo what it look like and how it will work. if he really want this game to be good he need invest his own money first and show proof. yea even if he had to work at his normal job he will need to do some spending and showing game demo to convince people to help him. and if he use generic combat system in game it wont last. everyone want some faster base action combat in there game with sandbox theme


    I think the kickstarter need this

    if you want money you have to give out your real name and location and the kickstarter should tag your name what kickstarter you been on. this only way to protect people money yea it scare some people use it but it only way money is really use on there project and people know which people not give no money to. there been people use it for scamming for money and you cant spot out the people who keep doing because they make idea people will believe
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    The problem with Unchained and the other games that are so open world pvp-centric is that people only want them in concept. In reality most people don't want to deal with the absolutely terrible communities that now go along with these games. There was a time when games like this could flourish with a good and competitive community, but now they only attract the most toxic of people.

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    watch the video i dont see what make this game different

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaword2 View Post
    Also, I feel your review is kinda like trying to make us feel bad that we arnt gonna back up a game that for most of us feels like bunch of hot air...
    There are so... SO many other games that are getting backers and pledgers and donators, but what those games have, is a bunch of guys who took the time to actually make a Tech Demo, a proof of concept...

    Backers were invited into the Tech Demo last night on livestream. And yes I'm trying to make people feel bad. Not everyone as I get a lot of people aren't in a position to do anything. But some are.

    I mean yea I agree with some things you posted... but im sorry... Camelot Unchained isnt going be this linchpin that will start this horrible ripple effect. If it gets its money, GREAT!, if it doesnt... Maybe they should make some demos and actually show people something... Then try again a second time...

    The problem isn't that Camelot is going to be the cause of the Ripple Effect. It's that it's one of the few projects that had a chance of stopping it

    In the meantime, I'll stick to pledging money to. Starcitizen, Shroud of the Avatar and Guns of Icarus: Adventure mode. All games that could be considered "Indie Titles".

    Damn good projects as well. At least I know I'm talking to someone with good taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DizzyPW View Post
    @xDrac keep waiting on your shiny treadmill.
    Can't take criticism and respect other people's opinions, huh?
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    2 things happen when games get sequels:
    1) fans eat their shit and love it even if it's terrible.
    2) Fans will hate it because it's a drastic change.

    me? i like DAOC will i support it? no because if i want to play DAOC, i'll go play it without having to wait.

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    i just wanted to keep encouraging onrpg, Dizzy and Mark Jacobs.

    I REALLY do feel a good sequel to DAOC will arrive. mark is a great candidate to do it.
    I also feel onrpg, the mmo community and forums and their enthusiasm and resources are a fabulous and really credible way of raising money and getting projects going.

    So, I don't think Mark should stop here. I think he should go on and continue to develop DAOC 2. Those ideas he has, and that Dizzy has, are all good. Just put it together and keep polishing it until it becomes credible. Then more money will flow and he will get his goal.


    (ps - as im biased, it would have to be a good solid product to outshine Regnum for me. It also has to have a particular flavour to make me switch out of regnum. For example, maybe a look and feel like Torchlight cud work, tho i am not sure).
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    EVERYTHING is craftable? Crafting-class with turrets? And the guy talking is adding his own $2 million to the Kickstarter. I'd love to see what happens.

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    I saw it some time ago and follow it to some degree, but I haven't "And won't" pledge/support it. Is it because I dislike the ideas? No, in fact I love them. Is it that I think the game won't be finished? No, it likely will. Why then do I not support the project? Because the guy making it is Mark Jacobs, they guy behind the disaster that was Warhammer online. The most overhyped, and underdelievered mmo ever made to date. Simply put, I have ZERO faith in the guy asking for the money.

    If it was ANYONE else, then I'd support it for sure.

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    Lmao, wtf is this shit!?

    I have not seen a single screenshot or a single trailer for Camelot Unchained. I think someone is making a documentary about how easy it is to scam people with some drawings. The pretend devs/scammers/documentarians are probably paying some sites and some youtubers to get the word out for this non-existent game.

    Even the name sounds contrived "Camelot Unchained" it's sounds like a generic fantasy mmo title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geffreyy View Post
    Lmao, wtf is this shit!?

    I have not seen a single screenshot or a single trailer for Camelot Unchained. I think someone is making a documentary about how easy it is to scam people with some drawings. The pretend devs/scammers/documentarians are probably paying some sites and some youtubers to get the word out for this non-existent game.

    Even the name sounds contrived "Camelot Unchained" it's sounds like a generic fantasy mmo title.
    All i see is a some artwork and hey!! give us some money and support us! hell yeah almost 2 mils and no screenshot wtf lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConCac View Post
    All i see is a some artwork and hey!! give us some money and support us! hell yeah almost 2 mils and no screenshot wtf lol
    There been games before which got plenty of money only with artwork

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    Quote Originally Posted by janii View Post
    There been games before which got plenty of money only with artwork
    Then apparently CU just isn't doing it right lol.

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    So, just to be clear, I clicked on this thread to be greeted by a ranting fanboy doom-crying the end of the gaming industry just because his favorite kickstarter isn't going to meet its greedy 2 million dollar goal?

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    "All copies of Camelot Unchained come with a 1 month subscription"

    Source: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...ained?ref=live

    So now we know it would/will be pay to play. Not sure if I want to support this until I see more from it. The idea sounds nice but I think they are to far ahead while still being in development phase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAK0R View Post
    "All copies of Camelot Unchained come with a 1 month subscription"
    That's actually what turned me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenoca View Post
    That's actually what turned me off.
    Me to. I went there with the intent on backing it to. There's just not to much to go on and with them already thinking about payment options before other things is kinda meh. Game sounds nice and all but there going to have to present more in order to get money out of me. I agree with a lot of Dizzy's points but as we are the consumer that purchases there products (which supports development) they need to do a bit more advertising that makes me say "Take my money".
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    I think I will make a fake company and a fake game and post it on kickstarter. Just have to hire a professional artist, some actors to act as programmers and artists in the trailer, and get some game developer to back the fictional game for a cut of the earnings. A game developer whose games are failing, so much so that they have to do lay offs to afford salaries. Ask for some obscene amount which, if not reached, means we don't have to show the pledgers any game at all and we can pocket whatever was pledged before the kickstarter program was closed.

    Seems like easy money.

    EDIT: Jacobs, who was co-founder of Mythic games (devs of Warhammer and DAoC), already sold away the company a while ago. Basically he has nothing to his name. Yet the trailer would imply that he still owns Warhammer and DAoC. Hmm...
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    No thanks. Not enough footage, and from what I saw of their physics demo, it was really lack luster.

    That and I really hate being preached at to spend money.

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