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    Default Why do people like the hobbit/lotr movies? Why do you like or dont like hem?

    I don't really get it. Lotr is a great and fun novel for people who like fantasy and magical stories.

    But why are the movie versions so popular?
    They are even more popular than things like Superman or Die Hard or Terminator right? More popular than Mary Poppins, Godzilla or Phantom of the Opera.

    Why do people like that particular fantasy magical story so much? Or do they like all fantasy magical stories? Do you like or dislike the Lotr/hobbit movies and why?
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    Because the story is an epic one and has been a classic for a long time and already had a massive following. That meant that very good directors, producers, and investors were willing to work on the film. It also meant that it had a massive budget, which means a super high quality film with great actors. Who doesn't like a good film with great actors and epic battles?

    It's a similar story with the Harry Potter films - A great author built a great magical world for readers and got a huge following. Great screenwriters, directors, producers/investors realized this and put a lot of effort into the films. And, because of that, the films turned out great and people loved them and the fanbase continued to grow and grow.

    Same thing with Game of Thrones. Great author wrote a great story, the film/tv industry knew this and also noticed the already large fanbase, and decided that it wouldn't be much of a gamble. Then we got the Game of Thrones TV show and it turned out amazing, with awesome battles and an interesting story, just like the books.

    The Road is a similar success story. The book as intriguing and heart wrenching, and the movie turned out just as good.

    Comic-books-turned-films are almost the same, too. Spiderman, Fantastic 4, Superman, Batman, Iron Man, etc...


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    i really like the music. but yeah obviously the novels are so much better. not even in the same league re. quality. same goes for almost all of the lord of the rings supposed contemporaries in genre fiction (with a few exceptions such as The Left Hand of Darkness, for instance). the lord of the rings is one of the greatest literary works of the last century.

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    They capture the setting of epic fantasy and have cool characters and are high budget and we have read the books and people tell me to watch them?

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    They do an OK job of not butchering the book. Not great, but OK. With the time allotted and the constraints of budget and technology, I'd say they did a great job. I mean, if they had wanted to make 4 more movies they could have done everything, but I think they touched on most of the stuff I wanted to see.

    Super excited for the opening scenes of the next Hobbit movie. They made the first one just a touch too goofy for me, but made up for it with the wolves. Beorn's house in the Hobbit is one of the coolest parts IMO, and I really hope they do a good job with it :]

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    gimmlis beard is 2 inches shorter in the movie than in the book. total bullshit

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    They are good movies I guess. The artwork and design cover the somewhat shoddy parts pretty well.
    Some characters are odd though. Legolas was so extremely well cast, considering how every other elf just wasn't.

    Considering the book; I had gotten the hobbit once and I thought it was a really nice little story and I read it a couple of times. When I was at a major bookshop, there was this book in this fantasy section, that was just 4 times as big as any other book there and instead of some comicbook artwork on the cover, it was just plain red, the edges of the pages too, all around. I took it from the shelf and opened it at random and arrived at the weathertop. I read a couple of pages and i got hooked. When I curiously inspected the book and there where 2 foldable maps in a pocket on the back of the book. I opened up the larger one and started to look at it and that was when it dawned on me that this was a bigger version of the map printed in my the hobbit. At this point I didn't care one bit anymore that it was a special edition print version and that it was a little expensive. I had to have it. I am still glad that it was all 3 books in one. Otherwise I would most likely only have gotten the first. I read it in about 10 days. When I look at the book from sitting in my chair, I can still see how it is special. No movie poster art with loads and loads of glare and reflective embossed art decor, no cover that jumps at you from a mile afar, but still when you look at it, you immediately see that it's different, odd, huge, a promise of a childhood memory, inviting to be explored again. It stands right next to a book on languages of middle earth, the Silmarillion and the hobbit in English and German. I have two times more Tolkien books, pretty much everything ever published, but they are at my parents house.
    I could say that I like the movies and I endured watching them in all those different editions, separately and in marathons, with all those people I know who are obsessed with Tolkien things, from pen and paper roleplaying in middle earth based settings to LARPing. The movies didn't really ever grip me. I have a the artworkbooks which they printed to the first 2, which show how well done everything was. The plot is bad and nonsensical in them and the alterations they made from the plot of the book, to fill some gaps, make it worse, because they deviate and distract from the main plot. To me the narrative never developed grip. There are extremely well done pieces, like the whole part in the shire in the first movie. However, to show how Gandalf talks with a butterfly, which was brilliant, they have to include a starwars-lasersword fight with sticks. It wasn't even bad looking and I don't complain about that particular scene, but that is just what you need for such movies to sell. A slow motion Montague of how Isildur cuts of the ring, just right there, in the prologue, of the first movie. That prologue was extremely well done, imo, to the point of giving me shivers in the cinema when seeing it first, but it's also what demonstrates most clearly that in a few hours, you can't tell the story the way the book tells it.
    The movies are good because the book is exceptional. They have plenty of moments where they are also in their own right exceptional too, but they also have plenty of moments where you just zone out and wait for the next thing to happen. Comparing to the book doesn't leave them much of a chance, to really shine. (Also in my opinion, Peter Jackson can call himself lucky to having pulled it of. I believe that the director largely builds the narrative of a movie, through arranging the shots and actors. Much of that just seems clumsy in tLotR. It should be organic to watch and it should be all linked together and there should be a carefully architectured pacing, instead of look at this building, cut, look at this guy talking, cut, look at this mean ork, cut. There is for longer periods of time no real storytelling going on. Just my 2 cents though.)

    Also I haven't seen "the hobbit" so far.
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    +reps ronin

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    Because humans have an innate longing. A calling that has been felt since the dawn of man.
    The primal need to find and **** elves.

    Since none have been found, the Hobbit + LotR have become very popular.

    But seriously, who doesn't love a good fantasy book/movie that isn't to watered down for kids but is still appealing to all ages.

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    Loved the first film trilogy, didn't like the books.
    The films is one of the few sci-fi films that truly takes me to another place. The other sci-fi films that do this are the original Star Wars films. That's not knocking sci-fi films, but with LotR and SW I forget that I'm watching a movie. I felt like the films really streamlined the ideas found in the book. People often forget that film and literature are two different mediums and comparing the two on the same terms is useless. Not everything written can make it to the screen because not all of it is filmable. It's something like 40 pages of a novel is a 90 minute film. Exposition is a good literary tool but a poor cinematic one. I was surprised I liked the trilogy as much as I did because I found the books rather boring. Too many characters, too much exposition even for my tastes, too much sentimentality, too much fluff.

    Loved the Hobbit, didn't like the film.
    The Hobbit has one of the best opening sentences of modern literature. I find it far superior to the other novels because it cuts down on the fluff. All of the characters have a role. Just a great, simple read. I didn't like the film because the visuals failed to draw me in. It looked more like a LotR video game than the other trilogy. This complaint may seem lame, but film is still largely a visual medium. Great plots and characters can be stripped of their greatness because of poor cinematography and special effects.

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    The simplistic answers is: different taste.

    The movies delve into the fantasy with pretty accurate and astonishing imagery. You get lost in the pretentious visuals. It's entertaining, it's beautiful, it's interesting, it's original, it's different, there are essential expressed human emotions people relate to and feel connected to, and all of it is on a high-budget, grand scale. Plus, there aren't many fantasy movies with such an epic storyline and visuals. If there are, then the management of that movie sucks at marketing! Most people don't go deeply searching for such extravagant fantasy films, but rather let the movie come to them, unless it's an extreme interest of theirs. Therefore, marketing plays a MASSIVE role in the popularity of a fantasy film too.

    The movies you listed can't even compare because they aren't even apart of the same genre. Everything is different from the music, visuals, story, dialogue, time period in the movie, time period the movies were made, etc. LotR to Mary Poppins? Are you cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs!?

    I liked both the LotR trilogy and The Hobbit for reasons I've previously stated. The overall grand elements of the movies made such a lasting impression on me that I qualify them as some of my favorites. Plus, they're the type of movies my whole family enjoys and will watch silently in unison together.

    To my bewilderment, I don't see why some people label The Hobbit as "cheesy" or "childish." Perhaps they mean some of the early scenes in the movie, such as the singing-at-dinner scenes, but I didn't think it was that cheesy. In my perspective, it was a pretty realistic supplementation for entertainment, considering the time period that it's based off of. Moreover, it was only a brief moment of the entire movie. The rest of the film felt very Lord of the Ringsy to me. It was a bit less epic, but that's because the story was a bit less epic. It's a prequel TO the big shit. The suspense before the climax! The attainment of the drugs before the bust! The appetizer before the entree! THE BONER BEFORE THE ORGASM!

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    because hobbit fetish

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    Totally on topic here:

    Just got back from Desolation of Smaug, and holy shit.. Film is amazeballs.

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    Peter Jackson is the devil because he made mai waifu, Shelob, the most boring creature in cinematic history. >8(

    Plus he removed all the travel scenes! How can you have Lord of the Rings without all the travel scenes?!

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    i would buy a new ultra deluxe auteur edition directors cut that has 10 hours of silent walking added to the films.

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    saw the midnite showing

    it was excellente, as they are wont to say in castille

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    I dont read any of the books, only watched the movies.

    I enjoyed LOTR trilogy but i find Hobbit rather boring.


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    movie summary:

    MAJOR SPOILERS

    -smaug is NOT actual asleep or ded like everyone hopped but is alive. p.s. he can stil breeth fire
    -dumbeldoor gets flustered at everyone, but is also very wise and patient. i wish he were dad
    -bilbo sneaks around and dorves are impressed by his courage. will they come to acept him into their company??
    -orks ambush the good guys. do the good guys escape OK?? I won't spoil THIS u have to see for yourself :3
    - there is an handom elf who has blond hair let's play a game his name starts with an L and he is very good with bow an arrow (yes u guessed it; LEGOAST)
    -tehres a part where u think legolast mite die, but dont worry, someone saves him. wont spol who, but lets just say his savor mite be short and have a berd
    -in that funy litle hat of his, rapagast keeps birds! haha what a funy gnome
    -there is a guy named bard, and he is good wit arrows. but not with song. (not a true bard!!!)
    -the nercomancer is SOURON!!! who knew??
    -there is this dude who can change shapes and all he does is give dwarves some rly pritty ponies that they ride for 2 minutes.what a bro and a friend I wish I hadf riends like that. not for the ponies, but for the shape changing, they could teech bullies lesions

    SPOILERS ARE OVER U MAY CONTIN READING THTHREAD



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    Quote Originally Posted by postrook View Post
    i would buy a new ultra deluxe auteur edition directors cut that has 10 hours of silent walking added to the films.
    For serial, I would buy such an edition as well. Lord of the Rings is much more suited to a TV show than a movie trilogy.

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    I didn't read the books either, I just watched the LOTR movies. I like the medieval type of combat and the massive war scenes.

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