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    So now the US is full of terrorist immigrant gang members and corrupt government officials. I think I saw some movies like this.

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    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ocon/guns.html

    one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf.
    And stricter gun control wouldn't solve this? What am I missing here?

    The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers.
    again... it sounds to me like they're just letting any old tom, dick and harry sell guns to anyone. Criminals are getting guns because the US aren't keeping a strict enough watch on who they are sold to and who they are sold by. Maybe they just don't care. Either way, stricter gun control and criminals are getting less guns, simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ocon/guns.html



    And stricter gun control wouldn't solve this? What am I missing here?



    again... it sounds to me like they're just letting any old tom, dick and harry sell guns to anyone. Criminals are getting guns because the US aren't keeping a strict enough watch on who they are sold to and who they are sold by. Maybe they just don't care. Either way, stricter gun control and criminals are getting less guns, simple as that.
    Good job, you just listed two things that are completely illegal. Hell, the second bit even notes that's illegal. But to be clear, they both are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin-Roh View Post
    Good job, you just listed two things that are completely illegal. Hell, the second bit even notes that's illegal. But to be clear, they both are.
    There's a big difference between making laws and enforcing laws. The US seem incapable of the latter in this case.

    What's wrong with limiting it to one gun per household? That'd stop people buying an extra one for their friends. But oh nooo, that's far too complicated. Better just ignore the problem. The law is there, that'll stop them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    There's a big difference between making laws and enforcing laws. The US seem incapable of the latter in this case.
    Congratulations, you finally understand something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin-Roh View Post
    Congratulations, you finally understand something.
    They seem incapable because of the lack of trying, not because the laws don't work.

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    Three states (California, Maryland and New Jersey) and the District of Columbia have laws limiting handgun purchases or sales to one per month.
    Who even needs more than one gun per month. They're giving these weapons out like candy over there and you're trying to tell me this isn't a problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    Who even needs more than one gun per month. They're giving these weapons out like candy over there and you're trying to tell me this isn't a problem?
    Now you're going into questioning why people should be able to buy more than one of something per month? Cars kill more people than guns. Hell, lung cancer does as well. Where are the monthly restrictions for cars and cigarettes? Unless you go after the things that take more lives first, I can't take you or anyone else seriously enough. You don't give a shit about saving lives if you're going after something on the bottom of the barrel that takes them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loric View Post
    The whole idea of strict gun control is silly. It assumes criminals are going to follow laws.
    Then what's the point of having laws? Criminals are just gonna break them anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin-Roh View Post
    Now you're going into questioning why people should be able to buy more than one of something per month? Cars kill more people than guns. Hell, lung cancer does as well. Where are the monthly restrictions for cars and cigarettes? Unless you go after the things that take more lives first, I can't take you or anyone else seriously enough. You don't give a shit about saving lives if you're going after something on the bottom of the barrel that takes them.
    Please come back when people start murdering others with cars and cigarettes more often than they do with guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loric View Post
    The whole idea of strict gun control is silly. It assumes criminals are going to follow laws.
    The law isn't there to make criminals magically extinct.

    The law is necessary to define what actually is criminal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    The US seem incapable of the latter in this case.
    Unwilling.

    It's sad that anyone can get riled up about the threat loosing his gun(s), but isn't bothered at least ten times as much about the STASI methods the US gov employs against him, or that they are running massive bombing campaigns against civilians abroad, based on profiling mixed with statistical noise.

    Actually, I must admit, that private gun-ownership and open/concealed carry fits quite neatly into the picture. It's so pointless and insanely unethical, how can they not love it to death?
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    Pro-gunners have no valid arguments. We don't need more than a handgun. Anything else is overkill. We don't live in those times where we have an existing enemy to point our guns at.

    To the moron who tried to compare guns to cars...Guns are created for one purpose. To kill. Cars are for transporting your lazy asses to and from. Please please......don't compare these two. You can kill anyone with mostly EVERYTHING-yes this include paper too... Chopsticks? Keyboards? The list goes on. If we go with your logic we might as well ban every damn thing that can be used as a weapon including the damn chair your fat asses are sitting on! Right? Right?! I hope you weren't seriously trying to refute those arguments with that piece of shit reasoning. Cigarettes are just like guns NOT NEEDED but it's the stubborn people that keep the products coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shuyukoukin View Post
    Pro-gunners have no valid arguments. We don't need more than a handgun. Anything else is overkill. We don't live in those times where we have an existing enemy to point our guns at.

    To the moron who tried to compare guns to cars...Guns are created for one purpose. To kill. Cars are for transporting your lazy asses to and from. Please please......don't compare these two. You can kill anyone with mostly EVERYTHING-yes this include paper too... Chopsticks? Keyboards? The list goes on. If we go with your logic we might as well ban every damn thing that can be used as a weapon including the damn chair your fat asses are sitting on! Right? Right?! I hope you weren't seriously trying to refute those arguments with that piece of shit reasoning. Cigarettes are just like guns NOT NEEDED but it's the stubborn people that keep the products coming.
    And here we have a great example of a nut job that has no idea how firearms work, so he is ignorant and stupid enough to claim that handguns are the only thing we need. This is clearly someone who has never been around firearms. This is even further proven by the fact that he somehow thinks firearms are only used to kill, which can only mean he is living in a lala fantasy land where he shits himself at any mention of something that makes noises. Most of the time, they are used for killing. Killing things that aren't human for the sake of population control and self reliability. So when it comes down to it, this sicko wants people to rely on something that is unreliable because he somehow thinks that is appropriate. Screw using something safe and effective, it makes Shu cry. Why take down a dangerous mountain lion with a rifle when you can just pray to even come close to hitting it with a handgun? But oh wait, who needs to take it down with a rifle when you can simply tranquilize it with the same rifle? Oh that's right... Guns do other things than killing. They also shut up spineless hippies causing chaos on the streets by slapping them in the face with bean bag or rubber rounds. Something that surely make Shu hate these marvels of engineering so. It's always funny when these cowards try to compromise with gun control by suggesting that we are still allowed to use things that aren't as safe. It goes without saying that they could give a rats ass about protecting people when their solution is to put the public in more danger. This is why people like Shu are nuts. I mean, who needs a chassis around a car? You still go places if you sit on a pile of wires and metal with wheels. That's about the same crap. You don't 'need' the reliability and safety, so why allow for it? Hey Shu, you don't 'need' to wear shoes. Why should you care about the risks of cutting your foot open on a shard of glass? You can still walk. Heck, I might as well go as far as calling Shu a Nazi. I mean he clearly prefers that we only stick with a firearm type that relies on a steady hand and super human vision. In other words, he only wants the ubermensch to use this firearm with ease. Or is he a die hard Islamist? He doesn't give a damn about woman shooters. Handguns are the most dangerous things to work with and this guy wants us to purely use them. A reasonable person would say the only firearms we need are shotguns, because not only are they safe, they can fill the roll of any firearm with a mere change of shell type. Second being rifles, because while they may not have as many uses as a shotgun, they are one of the most accurate and safest firearms to use. Only a true blue loon would put handguns on top of the list. Please try again when you're in a better state of mind. I'll be here to slap you around even harder.

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    As our local gun expert has stated, the majority of gun violence is from illegal guns.

    However, I think there should be a bit more regulation when it comes to firearms.
    Perhaps a yearly mental evaluation to ensure applicants/permit holders have the capacity to use a gun properly.

    It would really cut down on fear goggle killings.(Zimmerman and Dunn?)

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    Mental evaluations wouldn't necessarily help. I'm sure Zimmerman could easily pass a mental evaluation. What question would disqualify someone from obtaining a firearm? "Would you use this weapon in the event you fear for your life? [Y] [N]"? Or maybe you could just ask them "Please be completely, totally honest about this: Are you batshit crazy and planning on murdering people? [Y] [N]". Many psychopaths throughout history have an above average intelligence and would just easily lie their way through any mental evaluation.

    Then there's the problem of illegal guns being acquired by criminals, so even if you had the most difficult of mazes for law-abiding citizens to navigate to purchase a handgun that could only shoot 1 bullet per month and every bullet had built-in WIFI that sent its ballistics coordinates to the local police precinct, criminals would still get guns.

    How do criminals obtain guns?
    *Straw purchases http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ocon/guns.html
    *From our own government's corrupt organizations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
    *They make them from cheap materials http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturda...22_definitions

    Consider this: Alcohol is illegal to purchase or possess for anyone under 21 years old. High school kids still get drunk. Where do they get the alcohol? Someone who is of legal age buys it for them. That's how criminals get guns, plain and simple. Only a low percentage of guns used in homicide cases are "stolen". The majority were purchased by a middleman, who then passed the gun to someone else.

    So yes, it's easy for convicts and gang members with criminal records to acquire guns illegally. It's even more easy for your average, middle-class psychopath to acquire guns legally.

    Does this mean all guns are bad because anyone with malicious intent can easily obtain a gun? Hunters use guns, particularly rifles purchased at Wal-Mart. It turns out that hunting rifles are almost never used in murders. The majority of murders are committed with handguns, because they are easily concealable underneath clothes. Gang members don't exactly walk around carrying a bolt-action Remington 700.

    National statistics: Less than four percent of all homicides in the United States involve any type of rifle. http://www.guncite.com/journals/rational.html#fnb117

    So it seems like hunters and "Right-wing rednecks wearing camouflage and swilling Budweiser in the forest" are more responsible gun owners than inner-city gangsters who most likely vote left. Not that anyone's political leanings really matter in the gun debate, it's just a funny coincidence that the most staunch anti-gun activism is from the Left, and the majority of handgun homicides are committed in major cities such as NYC and Chicago that have strong left-leanings.

    Minority groups are the most responsible for gun violence, but it's usually amongst themselves. Italian on Italian gun violence during the Mafia years, black on black violence in the Blood & Crip years. One could make the assumption that the majority of gun violence stems from capitalist desires as each ethnic group goes through poverty and tries to gain a foothold in society.

    So at the end of the day, it's not that "gun culture" is a problem, it's that capitalist culture is the problem, because drug money makes people do terrible things.

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    "Would you use this weapon in the event you fear for your life? [Y] [N]"? Or maybe you could just ask them "Please be completely, totally honest about this: Are you batshit crazy and planning on murdering people? [Y] [N]".
    Not quite. Those do not really tell you about the mental state of a person.
    I'm not really qualified to make the evaluation.
    Detailed questions on how they react in certain circumstances.
    Stuff that kinda digs deep into the psyche.

    Is saving lives worth slightly inconveniencing the qualified people? I think so.
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    I see it like this: Ban carrying. 9o percent of the problem fixed.

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    Here's a crazy idea... What if criminals were punished far more severely for their crimes? Most crimes in the US are committed by people who have already committed crimes, just as most felons go on to commit more crimes. If felons, the highest class of criminals, just end up doing more bad things after their release, shouldn't it be clear as day that the system isn't working? Bring back the death penalty in all states. Make is so that each crime a felon commits is a step closer to getting fried (or gassed, injected, etc etc etc). Remove all of this shit that actually benefits them, such as yard time to allow them to organize more crime and TV/gaming systems for some. They aren't there to live a better life than most do in the ghettos. Make their life hell for their crimes. Break them as people. Remold them into fearful but respectful individuals. This is just one of many ways that would work better than the garbage system we use now. But anyone from the US knows it won't ever get better. There is far too much money involved with ensuing that individuals come back to prison as soon as possible. Private prisons should not exist. With the reintroduction of the death penalty, a lot of prisons won't even be required as the number of prisoners will go down.
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