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    Default Missouri gun murders 'rose after law repeal'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26222578

    well shit, it's almost like people with easy access guns are more likely to shoot people. who'd have thunk it eh.

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    Glorious. Thanks for the story that said nothing about:

    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    people with easy access guns are more likely to shoot people
    But did say that gun violence is going down in other states, even tho said states have less restrictive laws. Thank you for being pro-gun by linking this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin-Roh View Post
    Glorious. Thanks for the story that said nothing about:



    But did say that gun violence is going down in other states, even tho said states have less restrictive laws. Thank you for being pro-gun by linking this.
    +1 for interpreting it in the way like you want!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin-Roh View Post
    But did say that gun violence is going down in other states, even tho said states have less restrictive laws.
    But let me guess, more restrictive laws than they used to have? Since gun violence is going down. Because I doubt everyone just decided that they couldn't be bothered to shoot each other any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    But let me guess, more restrictive laws than they used to have? Since gun violence is going down. Because I doubt everyone just decided that they couldn't be bothered to shoot each other any more.
    It's nice to see you don't actually bother to research this stuff. After multiple firearm bans were lifted in the 90s, gun violence in the US has been drastically reduced. Every year, gun homicide is going down. Some of the most violent years were also the years with the heaviest restrictions. Fun fact, over 90% of criminals that use a firearm in a crime obtained said firearm illegally. That means that over 9 in 10 criminals are using illegal firearms that are already being blocked by the law.

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    So if they removed all the laws on guns, letting every man, woman and child have one, you think crimes would go down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    So if they removed all the laws on guns, letting every man, woman and child have one, you think crimes would go down?
    Yeah, totally. Because that's the logical conclusion to this. Just like the brilliant idea that removing legally obtained firearms will somehow stop the over 90% of gun crimes committed, which again, are done with illegal firearms. That would totally work. Just like the war on drugs stopped the consumption of such... Oh wait.

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    But aren't most of these 'illegal' firearms stolen from people that legally bought them. If more people can easily legally buy them, that's more people that are likely to misplace them or get them stolen.

    Excuse me for questioning all your gun laws so much, but hearing about a gun crime here is so fvcking rare that I just assume banning them completely works quite well. \_(ツ)_/

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    The thing is, if there is only a 10% chance that homicide will rise significantly, it's still that 10% chance compared to a zero gain game. With that established, the argument against strict as hell gun control goes away instantly.

    A logical argument pro gun does not exist.

    The original US constitushon was pro slavery... That an argument now? That the whole thing even gets to be a debate is a joke.
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    Stay frosty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    But aren't most of these 'illegal' firearms stolen from people that legally bought them. If more people can easily legally buy them, that's more people that are likely to misplace them or get them stolen.

    Excuse me for questioning all your gun laws so much, but hearing about a gun crime here is so fvcking rare that I just assume banning them completely works quite well. \_(ツ)_/
    I can't even begin comprehend how you could be so completely ignorant about something that you apparently are so passionate about. Screw how things actually work, you'll just get by with guesses and assumptions? Yeah man, those thefts sure are screwing us... Which is why it's currently listed at the bottom of how guns are illegally obtained by criminals that then use said guns in a crime. FFS, even agnostics know as much, if not more about religions than the religious folks they argue against. You should be a Senator...


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    oh man I didn't even know guns were illegally acquired mostly through other means. i'm so ignorant. please list them so I can laugh at how bad your gun control is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    oh man I didn't even know guns were illegally acquired mostly through other means. i'm so ignorant. please list them so I can laugh at how bad your gun control is.
    Apparently you didn't know when the first thing you mention is theft when that's the rarest form of illegal firearm acquisition. Here we go again about 'gun control'. Surely allowing illegals to swarm into the country has nothing to do with it. Surely this isn't more of an issue about border control rather than gun control. But I bet you're also pro-illegal immigration. But nah... The masses of uneducated and poor minorities that end up connected through a criminal network of Cartels does not even come into the equation. Of course it doesn't matter if these same groups of 'uneducated and poor' are vastly responsible for crimes in other countries. Let's just keep lowering crime sentences and giving everyone a green card because clearly criminals are people too and they deserve to be treated better than the innocent. If anyone is laughing here, it's me.

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    There's pretty terrible immigration laws here too. They're all over the place. Still haven't seen an increase in gun crimes. Are you just getting the naughty immigrants? :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    There's pretty terrible immigration laws here too. They're all over the place. Still haven't seen an increase in gun crimes. Are you just getting the naughty immigrants? :/
    Considering that most crimes, not just homicides, are committed by minorities, I guess so, Zombie. Think about that for a second... The minorities commit the vast majorities of crimes. For anyone to say that a lack of education and wealth has nothing to do with it is just plain silly. Unless you want to tell me that a persons skin color somehow makes them more violent. I sure as hell won't. People are literally programmed to be good willed and law abiding. Meaning a lack of education means a lack of that programming. It also goes to say that when a person is well off and happy, they have less reason to commit a crime. There is no such thing as good education and wealth from a certain country most of these people come from. There is however one of the largest gang cultures in said country. These gangs being tied with other criminals across the world that end up supplying them with drugs and guns.
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    yeah it must be the fault of the immigrants. it's completely silly to think that strict gun laws will stop any shootings. what was I thinking.

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    guns are aslo smuggled in and through other means. i dont think we should have to give up our guns. its our right to bear arms. there will always be crime. and that crime can be used by other a gun wielding person are a person wielding a bat. there will always be murders armed robbery and etc. people will have fire arms even if they make them not legal. you can get them from many ways. black market for one. buying from some one else and so on. they can never fully get rid of the guns. if people keep letting the higher up take are freedom away we will eventually have non at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    yeah it must be the fault of the immigrants. it's completely silly to think that strict gun laws will stop any shootings. what was I thinking.
    I agree, you are completely silly. What with the country I was talking about having a full firearms ban in effect and having even more violence than the US. Woops!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin-Roh View Post
    I agree, you are completely silly. What with the country I was talking about having a full firearms ban in effect and having even more violence than the US. Woops!
    you're right, there are countries that won't benefit from a full firearms ban due to pretty much being run by cartels and having a joke of a law enforcement. the US is not one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    the US is not one of them.
    I was right, you have no idea what you're talking about. Go convince Middle Eastern villagers to give up their AKs because the newly established Democratic government will keep the baddies away. You might as well... It's the same thing you're doing here.

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    So the US is like the Middle East?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    So the US is like the Middle East?
    You tell me. You apparently know everything about the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin-Roh View Post
    You tell me. You apparently know everything about the US.
    Then no, it's not. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    Then no, it's not. Sorry.
    Ah right, the thugs that harass towns folk, kill random civilians and pay off the local government to have free reign doesn't sound like the Middle East at all. There are over a million active registered gang members in the US and that only accounts for the ones that get caught and recorded as gang members. Just about double that of active police officers, all of which are recorded.

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