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    Default Do you still expect MMOs to be "Fun"?

    Reference: http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03...mos-to-be-fun/

    Though the game is a bit out of our wheelhouse, Massively reader WNxArcticwolf tipped us off to a GDC talk this week about Assassin's Creed: Freedom Cry, in which the developers argued that games no longer have to be fun. Admittedly, the developers are were attempting to justify confronting players with hard choices and uncomfortable situations via the plot, but the brazenness of the statement struck me over here in MMOland too. How many MMOs actually promise us fun when they're rattling off their feature lists? They'll promise grinds and raids and PvP, but as players, we process those things as achievements and challenges, as activities that were satisfying to have done, not fun to do. In fact, fun is almost seen as a dirty word, something casuals might seek.
    Onto my opinion on it:
    I think I do, I retraced as to why I played Wakfu and still tempted to give Rift another shot. I asked the same question before diving into both of them. "How is the grouping? is it fun?" Because this is the only thing that matters to me in the long run, if I have fun with a community I don't regret playing the game/burning my time with a game(Which is ironic for what happen with Wakfu.) Anyways, I'm just going to drop the question.

    Do you actually expect MMOs to be a fun experience, or are we playing for something else entirely?
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    I only play games I consider fun. Fun is kind of hard to truly define. Is watching a show you enjoy fun? It might be in my perspective but not yours. I'd say anything you enjoy doing can be perceived as fun.

    That said, most MMOs aren't fun, but some are.

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    Yes, I expect MMOs to be fun. It is unrealistic for the same MMO to be fun for everyone though, since our definition of what is a fun activity varies from person to person. Some people find PvP extremely exciting while others hate it, some enjoy MMOs that give you the freedome to roleplay, some people think that's boring as heck. I believe it is when a developer tries to cater to everyone that a MMO ends up failing.

    "Oh hey guys, here's our new MMO with a bunch of generic features that we will now list here. Of course, 95% of these features are found in every other MMO but we are unique because: something that isn't quite unique."

    If you are playing a MMO and aren't having fun well... then I have no idea why you are playing it. Attachment? Nostalgia? Friends? Guild management? Status?

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    As long as an MMO lets me kill other people and has broken exploitable systems it will always be fun for me.

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    Maybe the act of playing itself isn't fun. But the act of accomplishing is fun ? Like beating the game, satisfying and challenging boss fight, new fat loot or legendary gears ?

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    I try to have fun in every MMO I try, giving them a legitimate shot before giving up, you really aren't going to find a very unique MMO these days so I try to enjoy each game for what it does differently then the last. For instance, I had fun in DDO because of the unique dungeons, and I had fun in Warhammer for the public quests. I have fun in Achaea for the roleplay and faction politics.

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    The leveling experience? no i haven't expected that to be fun in many years, end game however and pvp yes i fully expect it to be fun otherwise there's no point in playing.

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    Only fun MMO's I've played are FFXI and FFXIV, most likely because of how you go through the stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heartyace
    Do you still expect MMOs to be "Fun"?
    I play to win. Even if I suck at something, I'm dedicated to self-improvement and competitive success.

    Quote Originally Posted by article
    In fact, fun is almost seen as a dirty word, something casuals might seek.
    Or as an excuse for being stupid.

    Emotionally, games are for gratification, distraction, addiction, and ego. On the internet my actions produce more results than IRL.

    P.S. lol I used [question][/question] instead of [quote].
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    If it isn't fun why play? Really I see no point in playing if I can't enjoy it.

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    If the game has a way to earn massive amounts of gold I find it fun. It's always fun to sell the gold for real cash.

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    Community is an important aspect of any game to me, and this is only slightly less the case if I'm playing queue-based or room-based shooters and fighters and not an MMORPG. If I'm going into a game solo, I expect it to be only a timekiller unless the game's population is steady and everyone isn't piled up at the end-game. If I'm bringing a friend with me, I also find it fun.

    After that, I can usually have fun with whatever the game itself entails. :P

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    I agree with this comment. If the game has great gameplay and features then it doesn't have any community. It is not fun that why one of the words on an MMO is "Massively" it should be massive players in the game. Currently the game that I've played are Dragon Nest and Aion and it has massive community. Right now I am trying to check newly release MMO or under development like Revelation Online and Eclipse War Online and check the community once these games launch.

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    I only play something if I actually enjoy it, the generic MMO has had me turned off here lately, I've been enjoying LoL because I get the full game experience in about an hour, or an ARPG that I can hop right into the action ala Path of Exile or a Diablo-esque game.
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    Yes. Always.

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    "Fun" is subjective. What you find as "fun" on a certain MMO that you like might not be the case for others. Let me set an example:

    Game: Ragnarok Online
    What I find as "Fun" in this game: Collecting and making Headgears and chatting with players.

    Game: Eclipse War Online
    What I find as "Fun" in this game: Collecting and Combining Monster Cards to get a new one--totally random.

    Game: Dragon Nest
    What I find as "Fun" in this game: Doing Solo Dungeon Runs and collecting plates

    Game: Pangya! / Albatross 18
    What I find as "Fun" in this game: It's a golf game on steroids

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    Most MMOs at the core are NOT fun. That's why most MMOs (and online games in general) rely on grinding and achievements to achieve longevity.

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    Guys, you need to put a contrast between fun and "good feeling from accomplishment". If you do something because it's fun that means you DON'T do it just for the accomplishment but because you enjoy the way to it.

    You wouldn't say your job is fun just because you are happy when you get your paycheck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rya.Reisender View Post
    Guys, you need to put a contrast between fun and "good feeling from accomplishment". If you do something because it's fun that means you DON'T do it just for the accomplishment but because you enjoy the way to it.

    You wouldn't say your job is fun just because you are happy when you get your paycheck.
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