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    Quote Originally Posted by hian View Post
    Sure, it's complete possible to draw the human form in an attractive way(world's first erotica was hand-drawn after all), but surely Sailor Moon isn't an example of that?
    Do short skirts objectify woman in that show?
    Curious idea. I never thought, "wow, those children have bombastic legs".

    Anyways, clothing is a valid form of expression, imo. People just react strongly to the unfamiliar and that again is a valid part of it. The question is not what the clothing is, which is completely irrelevant. It's who controlls it and who is empowered by it. In womans clothing in societies which allow the choice, it's definitely woman. I say let the individual be the judge of that and I have a strong opinion about that. The opinion is, that having an opinion about skirts as a guy is just wrong. Woman wear them and if they want too, I am to "deal with it" and that's it.
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    it's just a cartoon, guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z0MBiE View Post
    it's just a cartoon, guys
    Some Stories Are Just Way Better In My Head!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hian View Post
    Eye of the beholder, Xeno... Eye of the beholder.

    Not only does Sailor Moon pass the bechedel test 1000000x over, and portrays a bunch of strong female characters, of diverse personalities, who're capable of solving shit on their own(and saving the world) -
    it's also, generally speaking, much more reasonable in it's treatment of the female cast than a majority of more modern U.S TV series that have dedicated slots in their crew for people who can advise them on how to not write offensive stereotypes(which they end up doing anyway apparently).

    On a serious note though, I never got how people could look at Sailor Moon with sexual connotations. I mean, the art-style... Sure, it's complete possible to draw the human form in an attractive way(world's first erotica was hand-drawn after all), but surely Sailor Moon isn't an example of that?
    Fully agree!

    Their tits aren't busting out of their tops and their skirts aren't flying strategically up and down. The skirts are simply treated with actual movement, and nor do the scenes focus on calculated up-skirt shots. It has zero emphasis on sexualizing these girls.

    Granted, there are a few questionable shots, but it is just a casual scene, such as Usagi in the bathtub with cleavage. It's not a fan-service scene to otaku boys. It's just a girl in a bathtub who happens to have boobs, because, you know, girls have boobs.

    There's another scene of Usagi and Chibiusa in the bathtub, but it was pretty comical.

    Anyway, no little girl saw the show and thought it was sexual. Never crossed my mind, and never crossed my mind as an adult either. But, I don't have a dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuxedoSam View Post
    The problem is not the anime, but the people who sexualize everything. OuO
    Yes... because skirts showing 7 miles of leg were not intended to be sexy.
    There's generally a difference between sexy and "inappropriate." The line does differ from person to person.

    Sailor Moon had lots of the former. To my knowledge there really wasn't any "fan service" or strong focus on it. No old men with nose bleeds or anything like that.

    It definitely sexualized women albeit in a fairly passive way.

    I may think differently if each scout wasn't designed to be an early 90's 8-10.
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    lol cartoons how old r u guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarmerM View Post
    Yes... because skirts showing 7 miles of leg were not intended to be sexy.
    There's generally a difference between sexy and "inappropriate." The line does differ from person to person.

    Sailor Moon had lots of the former. To my knowledge there really wasn't any "fan service" or strong focus on it. No old men with nose bleeds or anything like that.

    It definitely sexualized women albeit in a fairly passive way.

    I may think differently if each scout wasn't designed to be an early 90's 8-10.
    Yes, all that "seven miles" of cartoon leg. That's just oh-so erotic!

    May I inform you that the creator of Sailor Moon is a woman. Her name is Naoko Takeuchi. She did intend for the senshi to be sexy, but not in the way that is offensive and over-the-top.

    She didn't create the costumes with the thought of "I want to give boys bners."

    Moreover, in Japan and South Korea, short shorts and skirts are common and socially acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuxedoSam View Post
    Moreover, in Japan and South Korea, short shorts and skirts are common and socially acceptable.
    Short shorts and skirts are also common and socially acceptable here in Los Angeles. What's your point?

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    As I said, it's passive sexualization. Meaning it may not have been intended. She may have designed the characters based on a subconscious template of what she thinks women need to be based on years of past sexualization.

    Meaning, she may not have sat down and said "I want to make my characters sexually appealing." But if she didn't most likely believes sex appeal is important by default.

    The same can be said on fashion. We wear things for various reasons. Such as supporting a cause, making a statement, simple comfort, or style.

    I really don't see how any but the latter -really- apply to short skirts and booty shorts.
    So, what makes them stylish? Because they're sexy. They show off/complement the body.

    Yes. Short Skirts and Booty Shorts may be "common and socially acceptable" but that, with limited exception, only applies to those of "ideal" physique.


    Sailor Moon characters were, in part, designed by the preconceived notion that women should be fit a certain template. While it does not actively promote sexualization, it is passively present and as a result it continues to spread the idea subliminally.

    And that type of subliminal message from a child's Hero can make a lasting impression.

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    Everything is a template. You can't make an argument out of the idea that a show presents one.
    If you ban pictures of people in all shows, or replace woman by black blobs,but that's a template too.

    The funny thing is this is never going to be about girls "shocked by the way the hero desses".
    It's always going to be about older generation folks, especially parents, becoming "concerned".

    It's not going to "protect girls/woman from sexual deviants", if you teach them that sex is bad and for this reason they must submit control over any aspect of their life that has something to do with that.
    I would believe that at least half of all grown up woman know as much about fashion, as amounts to "how to dress like shit, so no one will look at them".
    I will tell you one thing, a not "model type" girl will might gain some self confidence, if their parents put them in a potato sack, tell them that being pretty is the devils work and all other girls will go to hell. Still that look is ugly and it's from the inside that "supposedly" matters more, because you can "supposedly" put a number on that too.

    As a final disclaimer: I don't have any concerns about what any kind of woman chooses in later life. Yes it's all media inprints, because heck, who the hell designs their own fashion, furniture and the look of their car? The thing is, that the idea here is that woman don't deserve that choice, they don't deserve to find out on their own what fits and if they do they are sluts, dumb, media controlled and setting a bad example.

    Actually that show is for an age of girls which naturally would experiment with clothing, would we let them. But we can't.
    This is woman we talk about.
    Can't have them running around doing whaterver they damn well please.
    Last edited by Ronin; 06-09-2014 at 10:58 AM.

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