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    Quote Originally Posted by postrook View Post
    as i said before, i like the pc mostly because it can run more games than all of the consoles ever made, put together. and with emulation, you can run most console exclusives as well.

    like you, i don't really care about incredible levels of graphical fidelity or whatever. i'd take the beautiful environments in ff7's midgar over the shitty looking (but probably technically impressive) blandness of ff13 any day. it's a good thing then, that i can play ff7 on pc.

    as for the rest, like you, i never had any problems with any consoles ps2 or earlier, but i've had two 360s, one of which had to be replaced and the other one doesn't work all that great anymore. i'm pretty sure both problems were caused by overheating. on pc, you can fairly easily observe and control heating issues, ensuring yr system will last longer.

    i don't think you can really compare handhelds and pcs. handhelds are fine if yr extremely busy and on the go, and just want something reasonably simple to chill out with for a little while, but you can't play baldur's gate 2 or shogun 2 total war on em.

    edit: well, you can actually play bg2 on ipad now ;P , but it's an inferior experience
    I agree, that if you're willing to take a PC with all it's potential issues, know how to maintenance properly, and know how to use emulators, hook up controllers etc. then PC is by far the best tool for general gaming.
    PC elitist tend to forget that there is a large portion of gamers(and PC users as well) who're not actually capable of doing all that. I mean, people are still clicking stupid banners and installing spyware, getting infected by viruses etc. to this day. I know plenty of people who're capable of turning the PC on, surfing the net, and watching movies, but don't know how torrent works, or how to patch a video-game.

    I agree that technical issues have increases with newer consoles, but I suspect that is because producers are insisting on turning consoles more and more into dumbed down computers.

    As for handhelds -
    The only reason handhelds can't play Shogun 2 at this moment, is because of limited hardware, and lack of interest.
    The fact of the matter though, is that Vita offers several console game ports from earlier generations, which clearly shows that there is nothing inherent about the handhelds as a format that limits them from offering console-type pacing and console-type narratives.
    That kind of backwards thinking is what is bogging down handheld productions to this day.
    I'm pretty sure the PS Vita hardware could support earlier titles of Total Ware, so this argument really just boils down to time constraints. A couple of more years, and a handheld capable of running Shogun 2 might very well exist - if not with the same graphical fidelity as a computer, at least with the same game-play.

    The problem is that the PSP logic still reigns, and producers still seem to think that they need handheld games to be short, episodic and so forth.
    This is flawed when you consider that the Vita can be paused at any time, put into standby mode, and because it's a handheld, you don't need to fret over interruptions of game-play, as you can essentially carry on at any time, or any place.
    FF10/10-2 HD, and MGS2/3 suffer non of this logic, yet new titles are consistently dumbed down for the sake of a player demographic that only exists because of the limitations of the PSP, and the DS, to begin with.

    Another argument I've seen against handheld-gaming is screen-size, but this is really messed up. Firstly, "screen size" essentially boils down to how much space a foreign object takes up on the field of vision of the human eye. Since you'll usually hold the handheld very close to your face, the screen will most likely cover just as much space of your field of vision as a TV would, if you were sitting on your couch 1-2 meters away. As long as the hardware is good enough(OLED screens, high resolution support), then there really is no difference.
    In either case, this argument too, will become even more irrelevant when streamlined versions of the gaming goggles become mass-produced and the norm on the market, and can be hooked up to the handhelds.
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    well, i would totally play that handheld Shogun Total war 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by hian View Post
    I agree, that if you're willing to take a PC with all it's potential issues, know how to maintenance properly, and know how to use emulators, hook up controllers etc. then PC is by far the best tool for general gaming.
    I've been emulating games for years and I can tell ya: some games really do not run well at all on PC Emulators and many are far from perfect, even with the better overall fps rates and visual enhancements. A good number of PS1 and PS2 games have some minor to major problems that were never fixed. For example, I know way back when I used to play FFIX a lot, you had to use a certain version of an emulator just to get around a crash that was caused right after you fight a boss (Black Waltz first encounter/airship cutscene crash). The 2 SMT: DDS games run outright horrible on emulator and there is no fix for them. A number of games had noticeable drops or issues with audio and even graphical blips that were unavoidable (Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobos Dungeon is a primary example of that).

    The best emulators I've ever used were on PSP and Wii, and that's the main reason why I've kept them for so long. And the Wii can do just about everything you'd want from a Wii emulator on PC, (hell the Wii can do a LOT of stuff people don't realize). You need a pretty solid PC to emulate Wii games (although for some it's kind of worth it due to loading times) where as you can nab Wii's under 100$ all day long and emulate every nintendo console, along with a number of other ones, just as good if not better than you can on PC after you put cfw on it. And it's a lot more user friendly without a whole lot of having to deal with specific fixes and profiles for certain games.

    The only PC emulation for a console I've found that was truly on point was for DS. I've haven't looked into the newer gen systems like PS3 and Wii U yet though.
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    you meant to write ffix, right? ffxi would be ff11, xd

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    Quote Originally Posted by postrook View Post
    you meant to write ffix, right? ffxi would be ff11, xd
    Damn it yes, thanks.
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    that is a fair point about the imperfections of emulation, though. i'm not gonna deny that i've had some emulattion related crashes and audio issues as well, in my time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kashis View Post
    I've been emulating games for years and I can tell ya: some games really do not run well at all on PC Emulators and many are far from perfect, even with the better overall fps rates and visual enhancements. A good number of PS1 and PS2 games have some minor to major problems that were never fixed. For example, I know way back when I used to play FFIX a lot, you had to use a certain version of an emulator just to get around a crash that was caused right after you fight a boss (Black Waltz first encounter/airship cutscene crash). The 2 SMT: DDS games run outright horrible on emulator and there is no fix for them. A number of games had noticeable drops or issues with audio and even graphical blips that were unavoidable (Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobos Dungeon is a primary example of that).

    The best emulators I've ever used were on PSP and Wii, and that's the main reason why I've kept them for so long. And the Wii can do just about everything you'd want from a Wii emulator on PC, (hell the Wii can do a LOT of stuff people don't realize). You need a pretty solid PC to emulate Wii games (although for some it's kind of worth it due to loading times) where as you can nab Wii's under 100$ all day long and emulate every nintendo console, along with a number of other ones, just as good if not better than you can on PC after you put cfw on it. And it's a lot more user friendly without a whole lot of having to deal with specific fixes and profiles for certain games.

    The only PC emulation for a console I've found that was truly on point was for DS. I've haven't looked into the newer gen systems like PS3 and Wii U yet though.
    I thank that's very individual though, and again boils down to how tech-savvy you are, and all the variables that change based on interaction between various hardware and software components.

    Case in point, I played all the PSX FF games with the epsxe emulator, and never once suffered any game-play detracting bugs - only minor graphical issues(green borders on the pre-rendered backgrounds), despite that a lot of people with, apparently, the same settings and more or less the same rigs, said that shouldn't be possible.
    I also used to play Suikoden 2 on the same emulator. Everything worked fine.
    A year later I fired the emulator back up, exact same settings, exact same computer, but now the sound on the strategic battles wasn't working, so it's really kinda random at times. Again, it's this lack of stability that pisses me off about PC gaming.
    Games I could play 2 minutes ago, suddenly crashing, though they never did before etc.

    Again, handhelds are all I need now(in general). Unfortunately, I'm a Metal Gear fan-boy, and therefore have to buy the PS4 for that reason... If the new PS online game-streaming service will allow PS Vita to play PS4 games, I won't though.
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