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    Quote Originally Posted by PoorGamer View Post
    You guys aren't missing much. Every single quest (not kidding) is go here, talk to X or kill X Z times. Sometimes it's CLICK on X but that's only every few quests. All talking, gathering and/or killing. The dungeons are pretty anti-fun too.

    On the second dungeon I got a group together. We managed to get to the boss who at 1/3 health starts spamming AoE skills, summoning minions, using an AoE stun and hitting for 1/4 of our lives per. Then when you die it gives you a quest telling you to come back with a higher level player. I'm not even ****ing kidding.

    Almost level 22 and the quests are still this garbage. I also now see why mana regen is a problem. Mobs have so much health I have to recover mana every every 4 mobs because I need to spam so many skills.



    There is absolutely no challenge in this game. I am only going to play until level 30 so I can see what the PVP is like. :/




    Also, when you start playing there are a lot of cutscenes. After level 10 I've had maybe.. 4 or 5. You also use the same skills on every monster. Minor non-dungeon bosses that are 1 star just require you to spam slows and run around while using potions. If you even had one other person I doubt the 1 star bosses would even force you to use a potion. Ironically though if 3 mobs decide to attack you you're pretty much ****ed and need to run away. Gliders are also pretty dull and handle like gimped flying mounts.

    All mobs ever drop is coin purses which require LP to open. It costs LP to identify quest gear as well so you can't compare reward stats. Harvesting anything and crafting anything also requires LP. Rather than being a f2p and not being able to craft the game isn't even entirely playable without being a patron. I'm having to wait to recover LP just to open my damn coin purses (loot) so most people just let them collect dust in their inventory.
    i don't know if you realize this, but you're subconciously comparing it to wow even though they're two extremely different games.
    archeage caters to the 'hardcore' players, who enjoy sandbox games focused on pvp and cooperation.

    yes, the questing is extremely generic, but that's because that's not the focus of the game - the game really opens up once you're 20+

    mana shouldn't be a problem unless you have a horrible build honestly. a few classes even have a mana regen skill etc.

    gliders aren't supposed to be used as 'flying mounts', they're supposed to be just that, gliders. which you can also use to escape from battle, lol. hilarious tbh.

    but yeah, it seems like trion's version is really shitty compared to the russian, i have no idea what they were thinking tbh. identifying gear for lp? so stupid.
    the coin/harvesting etc. is normal though, because they want you to subscribe (it's very cheap on other version though) which i recommend anyone to do if you're serious about the game anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viney1 View Post
    Archeage was P2P, but it failed in Korea and they made it p2w F2P (which I'm sure is making them a lot more money now). That being said, I am still surprised that Trion didn't follow up with what they said as them making it similar to Rift model. It's in no way similar.. They copied the way every other version does it, and maybe even went beyond it. It's p2w.
    paying 8 dollars/month (atleast that's the price on russia server) is not pay2win in the least, what the **** are you on about?
    i don't know exactly how trion is doing things, but regardless you don't need anything other than patron status. everything else obtained via the cash shop is useless pretty much.
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    F2P = Someone with money is going to get something faster than I can earn it by playing for free.
    P2W = Someone with money is going to get something that gives them a huge competitive advantage that I can never get without paying tons of money.

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    I love how people still play F2P games and expect to be on even grounds against people who pay. lol. Want a fair fight? go play P2P games

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitey View Post
    I love how people still play F2P games and expect to be on even grounds against people who pay. lol. Want a fair fight? go play P2P games
    Pretty sure people like to think that they can just play more to get on the same level as paying players. I used to do that back in Maplestory, I just played a lot farming crazy hard to get drops and selling them or going to merchant instead of buying NX. I was nearly on par with cash heavy players for a little while. Although it got impossible after bigbang took hold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitey View Post
    I love how people still play F2P games and expect to be on even grounds against people who pay. lol. Want a fair fight? go play P2P games
    Because a good cash shop on a f2p game has non-limiting things. Cosmetics, extra space, extra options, etc are all good options for a game. Some games to note are Runescape, Mabinogi and Path of Exile. A BAD cash shop gimps you until you pay, and in this case patrons still don't really get that much. They still have to pay for inventory slots from the cash shop, etc.

    It just isn't fun. Luckily the mob killing.. if non-solo at 23+ isn't that bad. But that's 23 levels of the shittiest gameplay I've experienced in a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoorGamer View Post
    Because a good cash shop on a f2p game has non-limiting things. Cosmetics, extra space, extra options, etc are all good options for a game. Some games to note are Runescape, Mabinogi and Path of Exile. A BAD cash shop gimps you until you pay, and in this case patrons still don't really get that much. They still have to pay for inventory slots from the cash shop, etc.

    It just isn't fun. Luckily the mob killing.. if non-solo at 23+ isn't that bad. But that's 23 levels of the shittiest gameplay I've experienced in a long time.
    AHAHAHAHAH
    Have you even played these games? Mabinogi has pets that stun lock enemies on summon,pets that heal you to full health/mana/stamina on summon, can buy clothes that give you double AP(can buy these off player but can get the bonus AP). The best weapons, armour and clothes are from Gachapon ONLY.Farms are now VIP only. Want decent damage? yea cash shop reforges only.This coming from someone who Played EU till it died and NA to 3k total level before I gave up.
    Let's not talk about how runescape was ruined by its cash shop. Poe is fair, but no way I am paying Ģ50 for each skin

    You really have no idea what you are talking about. It's funny.
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    He gave a poor example, but he got the point out it is possible to make a f2p game with a fair cash shop and to make money as a publisher.

    I like AA a lot so far, so I will give it a chance. Maybe Trion will change things for release we will see. But I hate it when you have a payed sub option which doesn't give you the full experience you still need the cash shop, that is super douchey thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King_Grunt View Post
    He gave a poor example, but he got the point out it is possible to make a f2p game with a fair cash shop and to make money as a publisher.

    I like AA a lot so far, so I will give it a chance. Maybe Trion will change things for release we will see. But I hate it when you have a payed sub option which doesn't give you the full experience you still need the cash shop, that is super douchey thing to do.
    what did they put in the cash shop that you 'need'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitey View Post
    AHAHAHAHAH
    Have you even played these games? Mabinogi has pets that stun lock enemies on summon,pets that heal you to full health/mana/stamina on summon, can buy clothes that give you double AP(can buy these off player but can get the bonus AP). The best weapons, armour and clothes are from Gachapon ONLY.Farms are now VIP only. Want decent damage? yea cash shop reforges only.This coming from someone who Played EU till it died and NA to 3k total level before I gave up.
    Let's not talk about how runescape was ruined by its cash shop. Poe is fair, but no way I am paying Ģ50 for each skin

    You really have no idea what you are talking about. It's funny.
    Runescape 2 not 3 when Runescape HAD no cash shop just subscriber status, I don't care what Mabinogi is like now I was referring to its original system but maybe I was completely wrong about that and PoE has cheaper things than skins.

    Mortal Online and Wurm Online are also good examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoorGamer View Post
    Runescape 2 not 3 when Runescape HAD no cash shop just subscriber status, I don't care what Mabinogi is like now I was referring to its original system but maybe I was completely wrong about that and PoE has cheaper things than skins.

    Mortal Online and Wurm Online are also good examples.
    old mabinogi forced you to pay to even stay relevant.

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    That 1/week rebirth, gachas, new pets, gear, etc. Costed bread. ^

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    Got to 30, PVP is more dull than fighting mobs (magic is OP), bosses aren't hard they just have a lot of health and spam undodgable stuns & pulls, quests are boring, everything outside of combat costs a lot of LP which you'd need patron to really accomplish anything aaaand Trion has proven despite all of their promises they don't have any control over the game.




    This game definitely reminded me why I hate modern MMORPGs though. No RPG factor unless the role you are playing is a bot program and everyone is incredibly stupid. I also love how everyone in game was complimenting it and comparing it to ESO saying how much better it is.


    You would really have to have no life of any sort to consider this game fun past level 20. I thought I might have warmed up to the grinding when partying with someone for a few hours, but that was the company. Only time I ever died was when the mobs spammed stuns or pulls and wouldn't let me run.

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    Rift has a pretty fair cash shop and so does Tera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoorGamer View Post
    Got to 30, PVP is more dull than fighting mobs (magic is OP), bosses aren't hard they just have a lot of health and spam undodgable stuns & pulls, quests are boring, everything outside of combat costs a lot of LP which you'd need patron to really accomplish anything aaaand Trion has proven despite all of their promises they don't have any control over the game.




    This game definitely reminded me why I hate modern MMORPGs though. No RPG factor unless the role you are playing is a bot program and everyone is incredibly stupid. I also love how everyone in game was complimenting it and comparing it to ESO saying how much better it is.


    You would really have to have no life of any sort to consider this game fun past level 20. I thought I might have warmed up to the grinding when partying with someone for a few hours, but that was the company. Only time I ever died was when the mobs spammed stuns or pulls and wouldn't let me run.
    Don't know how different the PVP in NA is from the Russian version, but PVP in Russia was pretty great. Especially the large-group PVP. Getting together with my guild and filling up two galleons and doing a trade run to Liberty was always awesome. We'd run into a few boats along the way, which we'd use speedboats with grappling hooks to chase down if they weren't galleons/trade ships. Rarely we'd come across a tradeship or galleon, but when we did it was pretty awesome. The only other game that does ships better than AA is Darkfall.

    After we'd hit Liberty, we'd usually run into groups of enemies, and a lot of the time we'd end up staying at liberty for an hour + pirating anyone that came along or, when a larger group comes by, getting locked in a back-and-forth battle for domination of the Island.

    Unfortunately the Northern continent wasn't unlocked at the time, but I imagine the PVP there would be been decent as well. Especially the sieges.

    I'm sure Jin-Roh/Karnage, FarmerM and others on OnRPG who played ArcheAge in Russia also understand how much potential the game has and how fun it can be... Well, maybe not FarmerM. I think he was off-and-on when it came to his enjoyment of the game.


    Also, unless there's been some major changes to the games combat, magic isn't as OP as it initially seems. Sure, it's a lot easier to play and can be difficult to counter if you don't use your brain. But I managed to fend for myself quite well as a Gladiator (tanky/CC melee using two-handed and sometimes one-handed with shield). What's truly OP about the game is CC. Whoever can out-CC the other will usually win 1v1 fights, and group fights are about the same. Coordination is paramount, which is part of what made the group PVP fun for me. Trying to get 15-50 people to coordinate in a battle is stressful but very rewarding when done right.


    I would also say keep in mind there are still a decent amount of time for tweaks to be made to the non-patron people. Trion is known for being quite fair to non-VIPs, so I imagine they'll do whatever they can to make it bearable. Also, I'm sure the RoM guys want to do their best to please NA markets, so they're probably willing to work on whatever Trion asks them to.

    A majority of NA gamers are middle class and can afford to throw a decent amount of money at a game. I've known (and still know) plenty of NA players who have no problem throwing hundreds or thousands of dollars at a game for arbitrary things like cosmetic crap. I admit I'm one of them - I've spent about $300 during Dragon's Prophet's Halloween season for various packs, housing items, costumes, etc... A guild mate of mine in Age of Wushu literally spent so much money on the game in a single week/month that Snail USA refused to allow him to spend anymore until the next month. What I'm trying to say is, there's a shitton of money to be made if you can make a decent game. Trion knows it, and RoM knows Trion knows how to please NA players.
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    This game is not optimized for SLI. When I tried to run the game with SLI enabled my computer actually overheated and auto-turned off. This is the first time this has happened. It works fine without SLI though.

    Sad times.

    Anyway, I'm not going to waste time in Closed Beta.
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    everyone have their own opinion but try not to bash the game too much lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitey View Post
    AHAHAHAHAH
    Have you even played these games? Mabinogi has pets that stun lock enemies on summon,pets that heal you to full health/mana/stamina on summon, can buy clothes that give you double AP(can buy these off player but can get the bonus AP). The best weapons, armour and clothes are from Gachapon ONLY.Farms are now VIP only. Want decent damage? yea cash shop reforges only.This coming from someone who Played EU till it died and NA to 3k total level before I gave up.
    Let's not talk about how runescape was ruined by its cash shop. Poe is fair, but no way I am paying Ģ50 for each skin

    You really have no idea what you are talking about. It's funny.
    Is somebody forcing you to pay for skins in PoE?
    PoE has the fairest cash shop in the industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geffreyy View Post
    This game is not optimized for SLI. When I tried to run the game with SLI enabled my computer actually overheated and auto-turned off. This is the first time this has happened. It works fine without SLI though.

    Sad times.

    Anyway, I'm not going to waste time in Closed Beta.
    Yup. Only in my case everything loads really slow, but the game starts working perfect after it had 5-10minutes to load all the backgrounds etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitey View Post
    I love how people still play F2P games and expect to be on even grounds against people who pay. lol. Want a fair fight? go play P2P games
    well it ofc f2p shall not be equal to peple who play but then you should not **** over f2p players because then you could just make it p2p. If you make the f2p option bad they wonīt play your game and all your left with is does who are paying making the f2p option just bloody pointless. Im not saying you shall be on equal grounds but make it so itīs a good reason to play the game.

    Just look at Tera the only restrioction is 2 chars and some auction house restriction. But what I seen and read so far about Arche age is if your f2p player you need to spend 2-3 times the more time in the game and p2p people you donīt want that.

    Any one with some brain cells now is to piss on potential costumers or they leave to find a better company. So make a shitty f2p option and people will go does does mmos that offer better and if your out of luck it will be to many and you will stand there with your hands up your butt and then maybe have to close down because you lose to much cash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duero View Post
    well it ofc f2p shall not be equal to peple who play but then you should not **** over f2p players because then you could just make it p2p. If you make the f2p option bad they wonīt play your game and all your left with is does who are paying making the f2p option just bloody pointless. Im not saying you shall be on equal grounds but make it so itīs a good reason to play the game.

    Just look at Tera the only restrioction is 2 chars and some auction house restriction. But what I seen and read so far about Arche age is if your f2p player you need to spend 2-3 times the more time in the game and p2p people you donīt want that.

    Any one with some brain cells now is to piss on potential costumers or they leave to find a better company. So make a shitty f2p option and people will go does does mmos that offer better and if your out of luck it will be to many and you will stand there with your hands up your butt and then maybe have to close down because you lose to much cash.
    But F2P is aimed at the people who spend hundreds, if not thousands, in the cash shop. It's not aimed at people willing to pay a monthly fee.
    It doesn't matter what Trion does now, They have made their money. (that's what you get paying to beta test a game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitey View Post
    But F2P is aimed at the people who spend hundreds, if not thousands, in the cash shop. It's not aimed at people willing to pay a monthly fee.
    It doesn't matter what Trion does now, They have made their money. (that's what you get paying to beta test a game)
    True on that. Now Trion could just close the game while lauging on the way to the bank. All I wanted to point out they would have made a more appealing f2p system and p2p system if they would care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoorGamer View Post
    Got to 30, PVP is more dull than fighting mobs (magic is OP), bosses aren't hard they just have a lot of health and spam undodgable stuns & pulls, quests are boring, everything outside of combat costs a lot of LP which you'd need patron to really accomplish anything aaaand Trion has proven despite all of their promises they don't have any control over the game.




    This game definitely reminded me why I hate modern MMORPGs though. No RPG factor unless the role you are playing is a bot program and everyone is incredibly stupid. I also love how everyone in game was complimenting it and comparing it to ESO saying how much better it is.


    You would really have to have no life of any sort to consider this game fun past level 20. I thought I might have warmed up to the grinding when partying with someone for a few hours, but that was the company. Only time I ever died was when the mobs spammed stuns or pulls and wouldn't let me run.
    clearly psuedo-sandbox games aren't for you.
    it's very much an rpg in that you can actually choose whatever role you want to play.
    do you want to craft, farm, trade, be a pirate? you can do any of those. does 'modern' mmos let you do that? no.
    you never actually have to do a single quest if you don't feel like it.

    also, the pvp is ****ing awesome, how can you find it dull?
    the reason archeage was so ridiculously popular in korea was because a mmo finally had good combat that wasn't instanced.
    oh, and no, magic is not op (except for reaper but shhh).

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    I just hit level 17. I'm not sure I really understand what the hate is about the game. People are mad about the labor points system? It doesn't affect me at all. Currently I am a patron yes, but I believe this a p2p quality game. Combat is smooth as butter, crafting is pretty deep, exploration is fun, you can steal people's crops if they're dumb enough to put it on unprotected land(hahaha); Just to name a few things. I don't mind paying a monthly fee for a game that is free in the first place. I consider the f2p model for this game a demo to see if it's worth forking money over for. I personally think it is. This game has A LOT to do, even just at my level, so I'm sure more opportunities open up even past 30. If you're rushing through the content trying to level up as quick as possible and not exploring your other options, you're doing it WRONG.

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    I wanna be a pirate. Are there Devil fruits in this game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klaime View Post
    I wanna be a pirate. Are there Devil fruits in this game?
    Dunno about devil fruit, but there is a pirate island and you can join the pirate faction if you're bad enough.

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