haha Naruto spoiler

Naruto is going downhill. The author made Pein so strong that he manage to kill off Jariya and Kakashi.

Wow!

1. Jiraiya never knew Pain had six bodies. It's not that he couldn't win, it's that Pain had a trump card.
2. He is NOWHERE near as strong as Jiraiya is, and took a while to figure it out. Unfortunately, he figured it out too late. He also didn't even know that the guy could see through his other corpses' eyes until the latter half of the fight. It was pretty much an uneven match against two omniscient enemies.

Oh, just to get this straight: Pain didn't kill Kakashi, it was depleting his life force so that Choji could escape that killed him.

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Originally Posted by Espada1

Naruto is going downhill. The author made Pein so strong that he manage to kill off Jariya and Kakashi.

Wow!

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Naruto has been going downhill for quite awhile. But yeah, killing off those two wasn't the best thing he could've done. I was pretty disapointed.

Ah well Pain is going down sooner or later. If Jiraiya was better prepared for the fight, he would have won it. He just needed more information on Pain.

But yeah, Kakashi dying was kinda unexpected. I was hoping he could keep Pain busy until help arrived.

/facepalm on this thread

/facepalm on Espada1

Lost every bit of respect for you. I tried giving you a chance Espada but dude you just won't stop being stupid. Good luck in the future.

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Originally Posted by Useless

/facepalm on this thread

/facepalm on Espada1

Lost every bit of respect for you. I tried giving you a chance Espada but dude you just won't stop being stupid. Good luck in the future.

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Why, what is wrong with this thread?

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Originally Posted by Cereal&Milk

1. Jiraiya never knew Pain had six bodies. It's not that he couldn't win, it's that Pain had a trump card.
2. He is NOWHERE near as strong as Jiraiya is, and took a while to figure it out. Unfortunately, he figured it out too late. He also didn't even know that the guy could see through his other corpses' eyes until the latter half of the fight. It was pretty much an uneven match against two omniscient enemies.

Oh, just to get this straight: Pain didn't kill Kakashi, it was depleting his life force so that Choji could escape that killed him.

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1. Well using element of surprises is the way of the ninja. Yes, even if Pein is weaker than Jariya, he use tactics that gives him the advantage. That is the true meaning of power.

2. Well being able to push Kakashi to deplete his life force is pretty damm good for a villain.

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Originally Posted by Espada1

1. Well using element of surprises is the way of the ninja. Yes, even if Pein is weaker than Jariya, he use tactics that gives him the advantage. That is the true meaning of power.

2. Well being able to push Kakashi to deplete his life force is pretty damm good for a villain.

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1. lolwut. That was a response to your moot point concerning Pain's strength. He wouldn't have won had Jiraiya known about all 6. Meaning, he's not overpowered. He has specific weaknesses.
2. Kakashi was a scrub. That's not "pretty good," considering the fact that Naruto had actually gotten stronger than him at the beginning of the second series.

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Originally Posted by Useless

I wanna point out that when Jiraiya fought Pein, he wasn't using his strongest abilities.
He got blindsided by Pein's bodies. If he had time to know the situation and use his summons and stuff it would have been an even match.

Not saying that Jiraiya is stronger, but the battle would have been a lot different.

As for Kakashi, I think he's still an asset. He's being overshadowed of course but he's still on par as being one of the best in the village.

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Animal Pain would just use his summons.