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Originally Posted by Ronin
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Originally Posted by Ronin
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But thats the thing (and this is something that more people need to realize).Quote:
Originally Posted by Cereal&Milk
It doesn't matter what you'd "like" to think.
Just because you're uncomfortable with something doesn't make it go away or change. Thats just running away from the issue.
Things in this world are going to be the way they are, no matter how you feel about it.
And manic, I agree what you're saying with women. Another thing thats being seen in Iraq is a massive amount of **** and sexual abuse from our male soldiers to the female soldiers.
There was recently a female soldier that was found, her face beaten in and her genitals doused in acid. An autopsy shows that she had been sexually assaulted.
But gays are a completely different story. They are still male and won't at all face the same treatment. They'll face an entirely different treatment.
And also, I hardly think that, as a medic in the heat of battle you'll take the time to think to yourself "oh hey, do I know if that guy is gay?"
No, you're going to do your job.
But also, these social stigmatas don't go away by keeping such rules in place. They only enfource and increase these stigmatas. Remove the rules, and treat everyone the same, and the people will follow. It will take time, but it will happen.
The blacks went through the exact same thing. The rules had to change first, before the people followed.
Also, it will still be up to the indivigual to tell who he is gay. It's simply that, you will not be kicked out for being gay.
Don't want to tell any of your army buddies that you like it in the rear?? Then don't.
Not only the Spartans. Every Greek during the classic ages. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by shadowsworn
Ronin, I really don't see what's so hard to understand about this. This is not my opinion, this is the ACTUAL REASON the US military states when they refuse to allow women to fulfill certain roles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
Maybe you're right, and maybe I'm thinking too much. I really can't say that I know what will happen and what won't, I just see that as a plausible reason for the "don't ask don't tell" policy. The last thing anyone wants is to find out that their best friend, brother, son, or anyone at all had died because a medic was uncomfortable while treating them, or because a superior had given them special orders because of their orientation, or even because fellow soldiers had beaten them to death.Quote:
But gays are a completely different story. They are still male and won't at all face the same treatment. They'll face an entirely different treatment.
And also, I hardly think that, as a medic in the heat of battle you'll take the time to think to yourself "oh hey, do I know if that guy is gay?"
No, you're going to do your job.
Well, FabianN, all things that Maniac said about women in the forces come from 2 directions;
The first being "opinions" of the command and staff level personal, BEFORE it was ever tried out.
The second being a btw now very old evaluation of the Israeli forces, that didn't really convince anyone besides the US, especially not the Israelis, who as a result started to join that number of countries that actually draft woman into their forces.
It's not too hard to understand at all, you will hardly tell me anything about this that it new to me, Maniac...
Just thought, people should include this into their process of thinking it through.
Don't forget some chinese martial artists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jammart
Once again, Ronian, I am left completely clueless as to what you're trying to say. O_o
What about the Enola Gay?
Should that have been allowed in the military?
The legislative basis for the integration of the womans coprs or w/e it was called was based on these 2 sources mainly which remains the groundwork for the current situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manic
The reason why it is exactly this way and no other are non the less entirely political. People who have no idea and experience have made up their minds to make it part of their vote.
That's where the utter lack of change in this department comes from; People don't like it, because of their gut feeling.
What reasons made it into public consciousness is highly artificial, people just saw what they wanted and still do...
I can't say that my personal experience supports any of that in the way army "traditionalists" would like to have it at all.
In fact those situations that are depicted are practically nonsensical and unimaginable to me (especially on a deployment, you do work off the process of the mission, following the strategy outline and the using the tactics from the book. Going against that is abandoning your only cover, it's over time guaranteed fatal.).
I have seen some of the sexual harassment problematics though, that's a more complicated matter to go into, but still for the command not different in any way to racial or social tensions or people just not getting along, as long as it can be prohibited and there are many things that can be done to not even let the issue arise further than to get an example of the boundaries, that should be impenetrably created within the early forging of a unit, which are not different at all to the normal process (This is not part of the traditionalist argument though, because they are very afraid of scratching that dogma at all and also of admitting, that the general grunt has nothing of the glorified knight-hero, that they are trying to coin).
This is why we cant let them go to war
... "For" those who want to flame me on this THE ONION NEWS NETWORK IS SATIRE AND JUST A HUGE COMEDY JOKE...
I'd pay some people NOT to have kids. IMO why does it matter if you want to go over seas to your death I don't care if you want to sleep with the same sex,the opposite sex or a whole another species. If you want to go and are able you should be allowed to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cereal&Milk
Obama May End Military's Ban on Gays........
and..........
Hardly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarwen
They need to all be dressed and masked to look like Samuel L. Jackson
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The only thing that is a waste on the planet right now is you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn7ghT
I think what Obama is doing is great. We need some damn change in America.
Where does it say gay people can't reproduce i don't know where you people get that from bu you need to take it back.But we forget there are heterosexuals who can't reproduce at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Cereal&Milk
And cause way more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bekk
I stated it, yes, but I said, "If you want to get technical." That was just a counter claim built on the troll's comment and an insignificant detail stationed in primal context. After all, that's what technicalities are: insignificant. Also, you missed the point of the latter half of the post. It doesn't have anything to do with helping anybody. It has everything to do with the natural primary function of all living things: survival of the species through reproduction. I never took current societal norms into consideration when typing that post, so anything beyond just reproduction was cut from the "worth determining factors" list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jammart
I think I'll step off at this point. It feels like I'm being questioned by these guys.