It would make them useful. They are just a waste on the planet right now, not continuing the human life cycle.
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It would make them useful. They are just a waste on the planet right now, not continuing the human life cycle.
wow thats just wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn7ghT
why are ppl so closed minded now a days gay people are humans like anyone else they can do what we can and maybe better...its not like gay is a disease that makes it so they cant do anything
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWiseGuy
On top of that, if we continue to reproduce soo rapidly, it's only gonna bring destruction anyways
D=
If you want to get technical, a good deal of gay people are a waste. Animals, which we are, were meant to reproduce and overrun the Earth with our Animalia children. D:< A lot of them don't bother. They just adopt children.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWiseGuy
ADOPTIN' AIN'T YO JOB, FOO'!
@Lastknownhobo, That's why societal restrictions, like the amount of children you can have, take place in places like China.
Reproducing ain't nobody's job foo. (although I would love to list 'sex machine' on my CV)
Am I the only one thinking 'Pink Brigade'?
No no no and no.We dont need gays in the army >.>.They would ruin it with their gayness.
Or could homosexuality be a natural mechanism built into us to attempt to control over-population? Because over-population leads to extinction because the area can no longer sustain the life. So, I'd say that constant breeding is in fact very bad for the human race, or any race for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cereal&Milk
But anyway, thats getting off-topic.
This is a good thing. The "Don't ask don't tell" policy is really just stupid and non-effective, and is still discriminatory.
Basically if they have more than one child they loose child support not sure what happens if its twins though i assume its fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastknownhobo
You guys have totally derailed this thread. As if gays are worthless! Besides, our world is getting overpopulated anyways... you should be thanking them.
Now stop debating over the wrong topic.
Good point.
If they're worthless, doesn't that mean we do want them in the Army?
It may be wrong, but it's actually right.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWiseGuy
I don't know why, but I'm actually feeling offended.....>:(
I should get it locked/deleted, but whatever....
What is Pink Brigade? o-o
And why would it even matter if you're gay or straight as long as you can shoot the other guy? -__-
A female is involved in a car accident, for example, she is unable to concieve children.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn7ghT
But she is a charity worker who helps thousands of handicapped children.
Or she is a researcher for cancer treatment.
She is a waste of space, then?
You disgust me, a long with many other people in this thread.
I'm finally in complete agreement with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murxidon
:hmm:
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Originally Posted by Danuve
What he said.
Very well said, Murxi!
The only wastes are people who join the army.
It needed to be said.
IMO we need more gays.
We're going to become overpopulated very soon.
I already tried my chances with Woshii... but she denied my love D:
Keep it up guys. I already banned one of you.
Theres some truth to that statement, but unless the medic knows who that person is, its not likely their going to know of their sexual orientation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manic
plus, the article said that they weren't in frontline positions. Most of the ones that were laid off were on side jobs. I'd hope to think that when war breaks out and all hell breaks loose in the medical tent, they wouldn't stop and think "oh he's gay. i'm not going to treat him". There's just no time for that.
i think the biggest reason why people want to ban homosexuals from the military is because they believe them to be going into services that are traditionally male dominated. its only recently that females have been going into the service as marines, air force pilots, and navy officers, and now they're trying to open up to homosexuals. Theres the issue of the image portrayed by the service, and thats what bureaucrats are worried about.
We're going to be overpopulated...soon?
We've been overpopulated for ages.
So what's next? Stopping black people from joining the army in case a medic is racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manic
I don't actually think you've thought that through.
Completely wrong, Ronin. I'm not talking about the past, I'm talking about the present day US military. There are several jobs which are restricted to men, infantry being one of them, and the reason is what I had stated before. Men are programmed to protect women, and that can cause irrational choices and blatant mistakes to be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
I said, "If you want to get technical." Technicalities shouldn't be enough to spawn 2 to 3 pages worth of arguments. Technicalities are supposed to be insignificant details. I mentioned what I mentioned because I thought it would be important to note a counter point, even if it would be flawed. :-/
I guess opinion can't be tolerated once it comes to touchy ground.
Like disease and psychological imbalances? I wouldn't like to think of it as a population control method. :xQuote:
Originally Posted by FabianN
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manic
If that's your opinion.
I place it in your hands to evaluate it, I am not here to "set you straight", I really don't care that much about what people might say on this topic.
I have taken my time to form an opinion, btw on the grounds of having served with women.
The issues usually do not at all go into the direction of men being to protective. If there are any "programmings" in men, they are rather violent in opposition to courteous. (Roflmo, really...)
Hehe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
Geddit?
But thats the thing (and this is something that more people need to realize).Quote:
Originally Posted by Cereal&Milk
It doesn't matter what you'd "like" to think.
Just because you're uncomfortable with something doesn't make it go away or change. Thats just running away from the issue.
Things in this world are going to be the way they are, no matter how you feel about it.
And manic, I agree what you're saying with women. Another thing thats being seen in Iraq is a massive amount of **** and sexual abuse from our male soldiers to the female soldiers.
There was recently a female soldier that was found, her face beaten in and her genitals doused in acid. An autopsy shows that she had been sexually assaulted.
But gays are a completely different story. They are still male and won't at all face the same treatment. They'll face an entirely different treatment.
And also, I hardly think that, as a medic in the heat of battle you'll take the time to think to yourself "oh hey, do I know if that guy is gay?"
No, you're going to do your job.
But also, these social stigmatas don't go away by keeping such rules in place. They only enfource and increase these stigmatas. Remove the rules, and treat everyone the same, and the people will follow. It will take time, but it will happen.
The blacks went through the exact same thing. The rules had to change first, before the people followed.
Also, it will still be up to the indivigual to tell who he is gay. It's simply that, you will not be kicked out for being gay.
Don't want to tell any of your army buddies that you like it in the rear?? Then don't.
Not only the Spartans. Every Greek during the classic ages. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by shadowsworn
Ronin, I really don't see what's so hard to understand about this. This is not my opinion, this is the ACTUAL REASON the US military states when they refuse to allow women to fulfill certain roles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
Maybe you're right, and maybe I'm thinking too much. I really can't say that I know what will happen and what won't, I just see that as a plausible reason for the "don't ask don't tell" policy. The last thing anyone wants is to find out that their best friend, brother, son, or anyone at all had died because a medic was uncomfortable while treating them, or because a superior had given them special orders because of their orientation, or even because fellow soldiers had beaten them to death.Quote:
But gays are a completely different story. They are still male and won't at all face the same treatment. They'll face an entirely different treatment.
And also, I hardly think that, as a medic in the heat of battle you'll take the time to think to yourself "oh hey, do I know if that guy is gay?"
No, you're going to do your job.
Well, FabianN, all things that Maniac said about women in the forces come from 2 directions;
The first being "opinions" of the command and staff level personal, BEFORE it was ever tried out.
The second being a btw now very old evaluation of the Israeli forces, that didn't really convince anyone besides the US, especially not the Israelis, who as a result started to join that number of countries that actually draft woman into their forces.
It's not too hard to understand at all, you will hardly tell me anything about this that it new to me, Maniac...
Just thought, people should include this into their process of thinking it through.
Don't forget some chinese martial artists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jammart
Once again, Ronian, I am left completely clueless as to what you're trying to say. O_o
What about the Enola Gay?
Should that have been allowed in the military?
The legislative basis for the integration of the womans coprs or w/e it was called was based on these 2 sources mainly which remains the groundwork for the current situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manic
The reason why it is exactly this way and no other are non the less entirely political. People who have no idea and experience have made up their minds to make it part of their vote.
That's where the utter lack of change in this department comes from; People don't like it, because of their gut feeling.
What reasons made it into public consciousness is highly artificial, people just saw what they wanted and still do...
I can't say that my personal experience supports any of that in the way army "traditionalists" would like to have it at all.
In fact those situations that are depicted are practically nonsensical and unimaginable to me (especially on a deployment, you do work off the process of the mission, following the strategy outline and the using the tactics from the book. Going against that is abandoning your only cover, it's over time guaranteed fatal.).
I have seen some of the sexual harassment problematics though, that's a more complicated matter to go into, but still for the command not different in any way to racial or social tensions or people just not getting along, as long as it can be prohibited and there are many things that can be done to not even let the issue arise further than to get an example of the boundaries, that should be impenetrably created within the early forging of a unit, which are not different at all to the normal process (This is not part of the traditionalist argument though, because they are very afraid of scratching that dogma at all and also of admitting, that the general grunt has nothing of the glorified knight-hero, that they are trying to coin).
This is why we cant let them go to war
... "For" those who want to flame me on this THE ONION NEWS NETWORK IS SATIRE AND JUST A HUGE COMEDY JOKE...
I'd pay some people NOT to have kids. IMO why does it matter if you want to go over seas to your death I don't care if you want to sleep with the same sex,the opposite sex or a whole another species. If you want to go and are able you should be allowed to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cereal&Milk
Obama May End Military's Ban on Gays........
and..........
Hardly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarwen
They need to all be dressed and masked to look like Samuel L. Jackson
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The only thing that is a waste on the planet right now is you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn7ghT
I think what Obama is doing is great. We need some damn change in America.
Where does it say gay people can't reproduce i don't know where you people get that from bu you need to take it back.But we forget there are heterosexuals who can't reproduce at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Cereal&Milk