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Ok i was really bored one night and i started to research on some weird shit.
and that later came to me researching "genetic memory".
Is it like,Real? can some genes that are passed on to you during birth from your parents,infact hold memories of them or there ancestors?
Discuss,Now>_>
Hasn't been proven but could explain "instinct". And if anything I'd say it was passed down perhaps through your DNA seeing as only 1.5% of it actually codes for proteins which makes up your entire body. Somewhere in that other 98.5% there could be the coding for enzymes and aminoacids which could trigger responses in your brain, thus causing you to have an innate ability to react to certain events or have habits from birth, aka instinct. :o
It's possible, but highly improbable.
Haven't looked into it, but I doubt there is much evidence for it.
Doe's it need to much evidence? I mean..it makes perfect sence..Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenonight2
assassins creed much?
Uhm..What?Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtGrimmVegas
Yes probably if Technology gets so advance we could tap into our genes and see our ancestor's past.Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtGrimmVegas
Hes saying you are rip your genetic idea from Assassin's creedQuote:
Originally Posted by holy11
i certainly doubt thisQuote:
Originally Posted by holy11
i think it can hold vital body information, like to where send the brain impulses to breath, to let your heart beat etc
Im pretty sure Timothy Lery (sp?) talked about this some
Keep in mind he did a lot of LSD
....ALOT OF LSD
I like didnt read any of the cut scene and shit so,idk what hes talkin boutQuote:
Originally Posted by Espada1
Just because it makes perfect sense theoretically does not mean it makes sense when facing reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by holy11
You can theorize a whole new system of physics if you wanted to, that is theoretically sound, but if it lacks any evidence, then it's a worse theory than the current model, the standard physics theory.
The scientific model, which has shown itself to be pretty darn good at advancing the quality of life and progressing technology, requires that you accept the hypothesis which has the most evidence over the hypotheses that have lesser amounts of evidence. No matter which hypothesis it is. (and don't forget to try and prove all of those hypotheses wrong, while you're at it)
It's entirely possible. Have you ever had those dreams where you're running and running to try and get away something, but you can't gain any speed?
Have you subsequently got on all fours and tried to pull yourself along the ground to gain speed or get away from whatever?
That's a cause of genetic memory right there, going back millions of years to when we used to run on all fours.
I wouldn't call that a genetic memory, I'd call that more of an artifact of evolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by power_gamer_6
Genetic memory could be possible (eventually we could program a child to be able to do things right away, or have memories of someone else), I don't think it is too different of a concept from instinct (Babies apparently hold their breath after going into water, if you had to learn this, babies would likely drown when they were dunked).
That being said, I don't think you have memories of your ancestors tied into your genes currently.
I run up the stairs on all fours.. people call me crazy.
Artifact of evolution... precisely. And how did it get to you? THROUGH GENES AND MEMORY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pok
Please don't use theory when talking about science in that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenonight2
At best his idea would be a hypothesis it wouldn't be a theory until proven true. I know you kind of corrected yourself later but still just adding my thoughts.
But no I don't think we can carry memory from are ancestor's lifes. There is no evidence for it either just speculation.
I wouldn't call instinct necessarily memory, though, although it may feel like a memory sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by power_gamer_6
It could just be that we evolved a response mechanism that when given a certain input, we receive a feeling that guides our actions (instinct) that is not influenced by our ancestor's memories somehow becoming genes, but rather through simple natural selection. We gain a mutation in our gene that gives us this instinct that lets us know certain things that increase our evolutionary fitness, and so we produce more offspring.
I never corrected myself, and I'm not sure what you're talking about.Quote:
Please don't use theory when talking about science in that way.
At best his idea would be a hypothesis it wouldn't be a theory until proven true. I know you kind of corrected yourself later but still just adding my thoughts.
Yeah, sure, the idea of genetic memory is just a hypothesis. I know that, and I never denied it. However, he asked why you need evidence when an idea (hypothesis) makes perfect sense, and I explained to him what the scientific model has to say on that.
Lol, all I have to say; Shouldn't you be in your Ayurveda class right now, or seomthing? You are really wasting your time on this boards, if you can get to learn how cosmic energies talk to you, you know...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaika
Hilarious link, btw.
Nice one Ronin. You're cool, let me tell you. I know about cool.
More to my point; when people say 'genetic MEMORY' they don't mean memory in the literal sense. It FEELS like remembering but it isn't actually. At one point this stuff was so crucial to survival that it became hardwired into our genes, and thus we "remember" through genetics; genetic memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pok
Problem is they than start to get deja vues of memories from their grandparents, start to see auras, rethink their opinion on reincarnation (1/3 of all regular churchgoers in Germany believe in reincarnation; where the BS flocks it flocks thickly, but I personally wonder how they wrap up their heretic behavior into any form of spiritual sense.) and start to watch movies and buy books and bother normal people with how they can recharge their energies with gems and how to contact their guardian angel etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by power_gamer_6
All in the pretty sure fact that their lives suck and they need to start fantasizing to cope with the reason that it's their own fault.
It's not "memory" and therefor the only point calling it one is, to make it look more as if it was.
Genes are genes, you don't need "memory in genes", to understand what genes are and what they amount to; It's just a hindrance.
What the fυck are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
He's zoobaty bopping the zippity zop.
There is no "genetic memory".Quote:
Originally Posted by power_gamer_6
It does not exist.
So what the **** are you on about?
Do you remember stuff through your genes? Lol...
Proof pls ronin pls.
Hahahahhaaha, best thing I ever heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaika
Prove that I am not the almighty god.
Pls.
[Just so to make further posting less necessary;
I would like to see an example of how you imagine such a prove to be shaped, as that it might please you in your ignorance.
If you need proof that something no one has ever witnessed is not there, you need help from other sides than from proof. You have already left the grounds of reality.
Also it is freaking idiotic to bring metaphysical "proof" Bullcrap like this into a medical topic.
I might even take it as an indicator, that the discussion about the facts is depleted on your side.]
The Bible. The Kuran. The Torah.
Yer point?
Proof pls ronin pls
Question asked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaika
How old are you?
In all seriousness...
Have you any handicaps, so I might discriminate against you if I insult you?
Show me where the Bible says, btw, "And he took the lost memories of his forefathers, through his genes, and he put them to good use."
If it's not there, not everything is in the Bible, or you are wrong.
I am right in any case though.
I might just claim, that I made it not be there.
Proof: It is not there.
Look for it.
Gaika, the burden of proof is upon the claimant. If you think genetic memory exists, it is your job to prove it, not ours to disprove it. We can laugh at the idea of genetic memory all we want until you can come up with some evidence for it, because otherwise it's a baseless claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaika
And also, for reals, how old are you? He asks you to prove that he is not a god and you say the Bible, the Koran, and the Torah, all of which are about as unscientific as you can get. All three of these holy books have absolutely no evidence to support their claims, and you cannot reference just one. All of these articles contradict each other, so you cannot quote all of them. You have to pick one, and stick with that one, not cherry pick all of the evidence about your theory to support it. A theory must consider all evidence pertaining to it.
This is stuff covered in like fifth grade, so I'm going to ahead and assume you're younger than that.
And in case, my little fifth grader, you didn't get what Ronin was saying about "prove to me that I am not god," he was showing you how ridiculous it is to defend a hypothesis that has no evidence for it by demanding that the skeptics to provide evidence against it. Oh, and the existence of god has never been proven in any way, shape or form, in case you didn't realize that. Not sure if you've gotten to religious or philosophical studies in school yet.
I've read that if you get something that was vacuum sealed from a different era, and you smell it when you open it you will get a funny feeling of deja vu. I totally believe in genetic memory! Maybe not of your parents, but of past lives even.
They can place rat brains into a robot and it moves around and reacts. The brain works as it would in its normal body...
If that is possibly this might be.
~Roh
Sooo, we are never going to find the cure for cancer? Or find out what a black hole really is or what it does? We wont find the secrets of man? Or the universe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
Just because a Human hasnt seen it, doesnt make it fake. IT just simply means WE HAVENT FOUND IT YET.
WOW, tough conclusion. I know, it hurts.
******ed. Stupid. Idiotic. Moronic. Absolutely out of this world.
Yes, those words and phrases come to mind with seeing what you just typed.
To question things at any age should be done. To go on and assume humans have done everything that we are going to do is a a brilliant assumption. (No, im kidding)
I respect your opinion that you dont believe this is possible. I have my doubts to, but to go on about it and say that just cause no man has seen it? Its not there?
Cmon, srsly?
kait0s you misunderstand.
No, it means we have not found a cure for cancer, we do not know exactly what a black hole is, and we have not found the "secrets" of the man or the universe.Quote:
Sooo, we are never going to find the cure for cancer? Or find out what a black hole really is or what it does? We wont find the secrets of man? Or the universe?
How do we know this? Because there is no evidence or proof, and we have never witnessed a cure for cancer, never seen the inside of a blackhole, and have no clue what these secrets of man or the universe are that you're talking about.
It does not mean that there couldn't be a cure for cancer, it just means we haven't found it yet, so thinking that there is a cure for cancer and putting off chemo therapy is stupid. That's what he is saying.
And that is precisely what Ronin is saying, if you actually read what he said. If you believe in something that has not been found yet, then you need to get a reality check. If you think that it is likely that there is something there is no evidence for, but a suspicion for, and you go off searching for it, then that's a totally different matter. That is how scientific discoveries are made.Quote:
Just because a Human hasnt seen it, doesnt make it fake. IT just simply means WE HAVENT FOUND IT YET.
If you cannot feel something, touch something, hear something, smell somthing, taste something, or in any way be affected by something, or be affected by something that that something affects, then in all practicality then that something does not exist because it is unknowable.Quote:
I respect your opinion that you dont believe this is possible. I have my doubts to, but to go on about it and say that just cause no man has seen it? Its not there?
For those who say tl;dr: Reality is grounded in evidence and observable facts, anything else is the realm of theory and hypotheticals, and even though it COULD exist, we do know for sure, and therefore should not treat it AS IF it exists.
You just misunderstood him, that's all. And his argument, even in the way you misunderstood it to be, is not ******ed or stupid or idiotic it all. It's simply positivism, or logical empericism. Pretty straight forward beliefs.Quote:
******ed. Stupid. Idiotic. Moronic. Absolutely out of this world.
Yes, those words and phrases come to mind with seeing what you just typed.
To which it applies, Xenon, to which it applies.
Understand?
No.
Again.
Sorry, Papa Xenon. You're always right. ^-^
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Originally Posted by power_gamer_6
/skips all other posts.
I actually get those kind of dreams A LOT, and I had no clue what the cause was, until now.
i is monkeyman! <3
When i was little i had similar dreams. I kinda ran from something or was trying to catch someone. I tried all my best but still i moved slower than a snail AND i really kinda moved a bit faster when i tried on all 4 O_o
EDIT:But the weirdest thing was that when i woke up i didn't even realize it was a dream. I thought it happened for real not in a dream.
Spot on, directly relevant to the topic, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by kait0s
Have no argument for or against?
Than shut it.
i want some eistein genetics inside of me mmmmmmmmmmm