Doctor George Tiller Murdered

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06-03-2009, 03:18 AM
IronyTaken

Doctor George Tiller Murdered

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/1..._2009_murdered

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Dr. George Tiller (1941-2009): Murdered Abortion Provider Remembered for Lifelong Dedication to Women’s Reproductive Health

Supporters of reproductive rights are mourning the killing of the abortion provider Dr. George Tiller. The sixty-seven-year-old Tiller was shot Sunday as he attended services at his Wichita, Kansas church. The gunman fled the scene, but a suspect was later caught in a Kansas City suburb. The suspect, fifty-one-year-old Scott Roeder, has a history of involvement in anti-abortion activism and was once arrested and jailed on explosives charges. He has ties to the right-wing separatist group known as the Freemen. We look at the life of Dr. Tiller with five women who worked alongside him to uphold reproductive rights: two women doctors who fly into Wichita every month to work alongside him performing abortions; two of the attorneys who defended him through years of legal harassment, one in Wichita and one in New York; and Ellie Smeal of the Feminist Majority Foundation, who knew him for twenty years.

This just pisses me off. He was a great doctor who helped many women. Ignorant bastards like Bill O'reilly insult him and call him a murderer and somehow try to justify his death. They don't seem to know how he helps save many womens lives. This Doctor even paid for a 12 year old girl's (who was *****) abortion and he even paid for the travel expenses. It boils my blood when I see people getting killed just because some nut doesn't like what someone else is doing. Dr. Tiller has went through many threats since 1975. His clinic was bombed and he was shot in each arm and yet he carried on. I don't know what will happen to America when this shit happens.
06-03-2009, 03:22 AM
Rang

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Originally Posted by IronyTaken

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/1..._2009_murdered

I don't know what will happen to America when this shit happens.

Same thing that always happens when people die.
06-03-2009, 04:02 AM
Avarwen

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Originally Posted by Kriff

That's pretty hypocritical for being "pro-life"

These nut jobs only like when it applies to them. They don't even care if the mother dies in child birth to them she's just an incubator.
06-03-2009, 04:19 AM
ncyphe

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Originally Posted by Kriff

That's pretty hypocritical for being "pro-life"

The Doctor was pro-life, with exception to cases were birth is dangerous to the mother, or cases of ****. That's why he was considered a great man, because he helped women who might have died on the birthing table, quite possibly due to giving birth to a ****-baby.
06-03-2009, 04:58 AM
ncyphe

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Originally Posted by Attila

*sigh* Once again; this is why I support public executions. Because people like this would be afraid of the consequences. Watch him get 10 years in prison and bail. Pathetic.

Doubtful. Considering the judiciary system is supposed to be neutral to everything, including religion.

Hell, if he was in Texas, he'd get Death by Injection.
06-03-2009, 05:02 AM
Attila

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Originally Posted by ncyphe

Hell, if he was in Texas, he'd get Death by Injection.

That's what I'm talking about, although that's too merciful and "nice" for people like these.
06-03-2009, 05:03 AM
Str1der

Two wrongs don't make a right.
06-03-2009, 05:06 AM
Attila

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Originally Posted by Str1der

Two wrongs don't make a right.

It's not wrong. It's just getting rid of those who turned from humanity. It's like killing a maggot that somehow found it's way into your food.
06-03-2009, 05:06 AM
Fullmetal

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Originally Posted by Str1der

Two wrongs don't make a right.

In this case they do
06-03-2009, 06:21 AM
Fullmetal

Wow Norrin, when is your novel coming out?
06-03-2009, 06:27 AM
`doll

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Originally Posted by Attila

It's not wrong. It's just getting rid of those who turned from humanity. It's like killing a maggot that somehow found it's way into your food.

He...'turned from humanity' for being a doctor who performed abortions?
I get it that many people are like omg taking away a baby's chance at life is wrong, but come on.

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Originally Posted by Norrin Radd

The whole "I'm only for abortion if the mother is gonna die, or she's *****." stance is nonsense.

If the basic premise you have issue with is the aborting of a foetus, then you are against it no matter what. To suggest windows of circumstance where such a termination is OK, or necessary, just renders your prior claim of "Abortion is wrong.", null and void.

If you agree that necessity can mean an abortion is needed, then you agree that necessity differs from person to person. Necessity to one woman may be ****, necessity to another may be "the condom broke". You can't place your personal applications of the word onto a worldwide law.

I still do believe that ***** women should have the right, though morally I'll admit I will look down on someone for having an abortion because they had unprotected sex. That's like saying well I made an oopsie, so I'll just undo that. In a way that's how I would put it.

I also would be against abortion if it has had months to develop where it really is like killing a living entity vs. a fetus.
06-03-2009, 06:49 AM
Testeagle

This poor doctor, well his stance was his stance imo I don't believe anyone has the right to kill him for it.

As for 2 wrongs don't make a right, this one can be tricky with the freedom criminals are given within the prisons these days, I'd be more tempted then ever to deal out a more permanent solution, 1. because it stops the spread or their ideas/hatred, 2. Because it does send a message endorsed by the government that this behavior is not tolerated and 3. When your dead you can't reoffend, this is just my personal opinion though.

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Originally Posted by Norrin Radd

but June 15th, tell your friends. It's called "Pwning, Noon and Night; The Norrin Radd Story.".

Finally a new chew toy for my dogs.
06-03-2009, 06:58 AM
Norrin Radd

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Originally Posted by Testeagle

As for 2 wrongs don't make a right, this one can be tricky with the freedom criminals are given within the prisons these days, I'd be more tempted then ever to deal out a more permanent solution, 1. because it stops the spread or their ideas/hatred, 2. Because it does send a message endorsed by the government that this behavior is not tolerated and 3. When your dead you can't reoffend, this is just my personal opinion though.

I must admit, on the list of things that frustrate me, people who feel prison is some kind of hotel where criminals run free, are close to the top. They're fighting it out with Dane Cook.

Who gives a crap what they do when they're in there? They're IN there. That's the point. Do you not think, for a second, that whoever IS in there would rather be free? It could be a hotel run by the Marriott Corporation, I would still prefer to not be in prison, I can tell you that much.

I know people who get antsy if they've been indoors for more than four hours, so who are you to say prison gives criminals freedom? What a ridiculous premise.

Furthermore, you can't reoffend in prison either. Really. Not in a way that affects society.

Your entire argument doesn't really work.

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Originally Posted by Testeagle

Finally a new chew toy for my dogs.

When they choke on it and die, you'll see the meaning of the title.
06-03-2009, 07:03 AM
IronyTaken

The few things I look at with these criminals is death or prison with constructive work.

If the death penalty didn't take so long I would just prefer to put take them out. But since the death penalty can take 25+ years and it is more expensive than just life in prison I would say it's a no go.

If they get life in prison they should be doing something to give back to the community. I don't want tax money going towards these killers if all they do is sit around. Our prisons are packed as it is.

I agree with Norrin on the other Issues of Abortion.
06-03-2009, 07:11 AM
`doll

Well yeah, it is a freedom even if you have a certain moral opinion on one situation of abortion, or the act all together. And when people have very strong opinions they can speak out or look down on a mother for her choices; everyone judges.
But like, geez don't kill a doctor for doing his job, a job. If it's true how he went about his work, he sounds like he still had a decent character and doesn't sound cold or heartless about treating abortions like a paid job.
06-03-2009, 08:56 AM
Lina

At first I was just 'Murder for murder isn't right. Even if he did late-term abortions, it was not right to kill him.'
But, after looking at this thread, I kind of have to ponder to myself about topics I thought I had a steady standing on.

I'd think 'abortion is murder, because, while it's still a horrible incident, it's not the baby's fault they were *****.'
However, I'd ignorantly forgotten about young girls getting *****, and not being physically prepared to give birth.
Which doesn't excuse the heartless 'not the baby's fault' attitude.
I don't like the image of myself going to a victim like that and telling her she has to have a baby no matter what, so that's one helluva wake-up call.

Thank you, kind people, for giving me a good perspective on this issue.
My father and a very good majority of his friends and family are Catholic, so whenever I brought it up for debate, they'd justify their stance, but apparently, not as well now that I've read this.
06-03-2009, 09:01 AM
kain222

To be honest, aborting for people who were *****/don't want to have a baby in the first place(Accidental)/Not financially prepared, ect is fine. Aslong as there's a reason and the baby is taken out when it doesn't know what the **** is going on in the first place.

Allso, what if the suspect was wrongly accused and put under death as an innocent? Then what if they find out later he was? Prison is allso a method that doesn't kill the person - preventing wrongfull executions.
06-03-2009, 03:18 PM
Groteske

I am pro-choice because the Government has no right to tell women what to do with their bodies.

And hmm it's weird people are fine with condoms when........condoms are actually a sin. Take away the condoms and see how many people are in line for an abortion. :3
06-03-2009, 06:36 PM
`doll

Sorry Attila, it was hard to tell.

Also abortion should be a freedom IMO but it actually has no dead need to be a contraceptive or some kind of "undo" button to ****/sex now. There is a morning after pill that isn't an abortion pill at all, but stops it before you even reach any pregnant process as long as you take it I think at most 72 hours afterward.
If anything this should be people's emergency contraceptive, not abortion.
06-03-2009, 07:49 PM
Lina

*replies to the 'every anti-abortionist should apply to adopt*
...
I don't think I'm allowed to adopt in my state...mentally unstable, unmarried, and bisexual. (I forget if it really IS a law that I can't adopt and be bi)
*ponders the situation more*