15y/o girl was gang raped in Richmond High School

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Originally Posted by IronyTaken

What if each man had a gun?

I mean I am all for trying to help the girl but I would first do it in a reasonable way. If I try to help and they kill me or knock me out before I can do anything then it's not really any help.

I probably would first call the police, just in case I am unable to fight off 6 people. Then I will try to convince people to help and if they don't I will go and try to fight off the guys.

If the guys all have guns I am not sure if I would be so inclined to help. I am not sure I am willing to risk my life at such at high possibility of dying.

You may talk like you're a badass but most people can;t be sure what they would do until they were in that situation.

And getting myself killed would be no help to the girl. I guess it would all depend on the circumstances of the situation.

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Im not trying to be a "badass". Ya, more than likely one or more would have a weapon on them. Doing NOTHING is just as bad as part taking in the deed being comitted. If I were to die then I would die, but at least the girl would have known SOMEBODY cared enough to step in and do something instead of standing there wondering why no one is doing something. If everyone had that mentality ALOT of innocent people would be dead. Thats like the US saying " ohhh Nazis are killing off 12 million innocent people, wish somebody would do something. Lord knows i wont since they have guns and theyll shoot at us". I guess it boils down to what kind of character a person has.

people now days will just shut their eyes because they don't want to have any issues or be caught in a bad situation. It's peaceful to just not barged in to other's business..


Well anyway if I am there I will call a police at least. Or just dial 911 and say "I saw some group doing this and that please hurry etc etc.."

Just what the news said, someone did bother reporting it to the police but it took 2hours before someone made an action of telling it to the police.. =/

bad..

Nevermind.

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Originally Posted by vamp88

Im not trying to be a "badass". Ya, more than likely one or more would have a weapon on them. Doing NOTHING is just as bad as part taking in the deed being comitted. If I were to die then I would die, but at least the girl would have known SOMEBODY cared enough to step in and do something instead of standing there wondering why no one is doing something. If everyone had that mentality ALOT of innocent people would be dead. Thats like the US saying " ohhh Nazis are killing off 12 million innocent people, wish somebody would do something. Lord knows i wont since they have guns and theyll shoot at us". I guess it boils down to what kind of character a person has.

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Well getting yourself killed won't help the girl in anyway. But yah you can call the police.

For me I value my life too highly to risk it for something so small. Yes I value my life higher than some stranger I do not know. Think what you want of it.

But in all reality I am not sure what I would do because I never been in that situation.

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Originally Posted by Princessdoll

people now days will just shut their eyes because they don't want to have any issues or be caught in a bad situation. It's peaceful to just not barged in to other's business..


Well anyway if I am there I will call a police at least. Or just dial 911 and say "I saw some group doing this and that please hurry etc etc.."

Just what the news said, someone did bother reporting it to the police but it took 2hours before someone made an action of telling it to the police.. =/

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Ya, i agree. Its not really "barging into other peoples' business" if its pretty obvious that the person CLEARLY doesnt deserve it (getting *****). If youre unsure why something is taking place (a fight or confrontation), sure dont get involved and just notify the authorities. Aliens and Predator Vs Chuck Norris lol =)

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Originally Posted by IronyTaken

Well getting yourself killed won't help the girl in anyway. But yah you can call the police.

For me I value my life too highly to risk it for something so small. Yes I value my life higher than some stranger I do not know. Think what you want of it.

But in all reality I am not sure what I would do because I never been in that situation.

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Ya im pretty aware, getting myself killed wont help the girl lol. Calling the police is what should be done before anyone helps. Just because you call the police doesnt mean everything is ok, theres something called police response time and sometimes that can take quite a while.

I dont think anything negative about what youre saying, self preservation IS human nature. I agree that most people dont know what they would do until they are put into a similar situation.

This is sick. 25 witnesses and not one of them has any moral/feelings, how ****ed up are you then..

I live right near Richmond and this is all over the news lately.

Whoever did this needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

And then of course they need to be gang ***** in jail every night, which will be the case since rapists are near the bottom of the totem poles in jail. For some reason hardcore killers don't take kindly to people ****** women, go figure... I think child molesters are at the bottom while cop killers are near the top. Prison has some weird shit going on.

Anyways. These dudes need to have their balls ripped off and shoved down their throat. Period! I have no tolerance for this shit at all.

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Originally Posted by V-Opolis

also any sex drunk is "****"....you cannot have legal consent for sex when you are drunk, so it coulda been a giant orgie and she is just trying to get money or something out of it.

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Ummm... no it's not, but nice try :)

In this case it doesn't matter what the girl did, but it does matter in what kind of state she is in. The fact that she is underage and got drunk does not matter whatsoever, and anyone who even connects the two should have a CAT scan in the near future. Getting drunk is not an open invitation to ****, and people drink because it helps them have a good time (I could argue against that but whatever). She did not get drunk with the intention to get gang ***** and after this fiasco I doubt she will drink again for a long time... or she will drink a lot more because of it. If she had said at anytime told them to stop or said no... at that point it becomes ****. If she is in a state were she is not all there and you do her without asking her... it becomes ****. Its pretty simple really. Im also not talking about ****-play here for those who like that shit. I am talking about reality.

In any case anyone who even remotely thinks that this girl deserved anything for her actions is beyond stupid, and slightly scary, frankly. Shit happens yes, but people don't deserve this kind of crap.

This is the reason why I also decided not to become a sex crimes detective. I had already taken many courses, but in the end I couldn't deal with these victims day in and day out without becoming emotionally dead. I couldn't handle it.

I guess it's in order of the toughness of the people they managed to hurt. I dunno, it seems natural to me that a cop-killer would be nastier and tougher than a child molester, who I would imagine would be more soft and cowardly.

By 6 mens??????

Wow! That's a shit load of mens!

I feel like such a dick D:

This is so ****ing sad, it ruined my day...
I want to have 2 girls and one boy, but seeing how the world is turning I kind of fear having childrens ._. I'd be an annoying and overprotective father lol

Ahhh goddamit you seriously ruined my day.

I love how people here are now saying these men need to be tortured in a way that'd mean death.

If these men didn't kill anyone, you're worse than them if you take a life.

Don't think it excuses you because they're rapists. Murderers are worse.

argh...too tired tonight to rage properly...but ****ing hell, i wanna kill them my self D:

What's a mens?

I can't really see myself caring too much about what happens to them.

It's not like it makes a difference, about what happened.

I am not even surprised the slightest.

Generally the amount of "self empowering" of people on here alone, by trying to impose some sort of sexual dominance, is already pretty far out there...

15 year old girl was hanging out drinking with older kids that had already graduated high school, and yet were still hanging out at a high school home coming.

I'm not in any way saying that she deserved what she got, but she certainly set herself up for disaster :/ Its unfortunate that things like this happen, but THEY REALLY DO, and you have to be smarter than that.

That said, I think all the people involved should be put to death. There is no excuse for ****. Things like this want me to be a vigilante.

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Originally Posted by V-Opolis

so it coulda been a giant orgie and she is just trying to get money or something out of it.

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She was found ****ing unconscious from the liquor under a bench. Even if she started out wanting it, who keeps going once the girl is passed out? That is ****.

I'm glad i'm never going to have kids so I don't have to experience this kind of thing..

im not bein an *** about it but shit she might enjoy it i mean join the group. shoot im tellin the truth i seen this alot at parties i goes to. girls get drunk then next thing i know she bangin like 5 guys. im not in the orgy sex shit. i promise thats nasty.
well about the 15 year old girl if she didnt gave in then im feel sorry for her

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Originally Posted by Darkspine

I'm glad i'm never going to have kids so I don't have to experience this kind of thing..

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You know...**** isn't all that common.

I'm pretty sure most peoples children don't get *****. Especially if you tell them how to avoid it.

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Originally Posted by Oisterboy

I'm not in any way saying that she deserved what she got, but she certainly set herself up for disaster :/ Its unfortunate that things like this happen, but THEY REALLY DO, and you have to be smarter than that.

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I wonder why no one posted this idea yet...the guy might had been attractive looking and she felled for it and end up went drinking with them...

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Originally Posted by Oisterboy

Personally, I feel **** (in some cases) is a far worse punishment than death. Personally, if I had to choose to be scarred for life, or dead, I'd prolly choose dead. **** may not be taking a life, but it certainly has the potential to ruin a life. Leaving a person emotionally ruined for life is worse than killing them, IMHO.

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That's not true, nor is it accurate, sir.

You are comparing POSSIBLE emotional scarring (And it is only a possibility, many people get over it completely) with definite eternal death with no way back. As long as someone is alive, there is a chance to overcome it.

Your point here makes no logical sense. If it's not taking a life, then natural justice cannot be "They deserve death", it MUST be "They deserve ****.", if you are truly committed to natural JUSTICE.

As soon as it becomes a game of one-upsmanship, it becomes dangerous and you become worse. There is literally no way anyone sane can say **** is inherently worse. If you look at any **** cases, or have known people being *****, the commonly expressed fear is "I thought he was going to kill me.", or "I thought I was going to die.". If that's the case, obviously there's no argument for **** being worse. Do you see my point?

I once spoke to someone who suggested paedophilia was worse than murder. I asked why, and his argument was that paedophilia is so bad, that his Uncle (Who suffered from it as a child) killed himself over the trauma. If the ultimate tragedy there is that he KILLED himself, then surely the conclusion to be drawn is that ANY case is made sadder or more tragic by death, because it's far worse.

Conversely, if she had been killed, you'd be saying "She might have got over it if they didn't kill her.". Death makes it worse, death and murder are both worse than ****.

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Originally Posted by Oisterboy

Also - when I said "put to death", I meant the ones who were caught in the act. These guys were pretty sick to be having sex with an unconscious girl. They might as well of been caught in the act, but upon reflection do not deserve death, because we don't know the whole story.

When I said "put to death", I was more thinking of how I would feel if I ever walked up on a ****. Thats what I meant by vigilante. I'd want to kill them (not saying I could, or would, or would ever walk up onto a ****. But, sitting here from the comfort of my home, thinking it out, if I walked up onto a ****, best case scenario is me killing the dude.)

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Then we can agree that it's not the best case scenario for literally anyone involved is it?

***** woman probably doesn't want your prison time on her conscience, your girlfriend probably doesn't want you in jail, you won't want to be in jail, you won't want a death on your conscience.

What you are talking about is rage, and that is precisely why we have a justice system. It's flawed, and needs tweaking, but that's why we have one. Because that's what separates us from the scum, the fact that we don't sink to their level or in your hypothetical case, below.

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Originally Posted by Norrin Radd

The premise for vigilantism is an eye for an eye, natural justice.

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No it is not. Vigilantism only refers to the concept of taking the law into your own hands. What ethical code and sense of justice the vigilante chooses to follow, is irrelevant for the term itself.

Taking the law into their own hands to pursue natural justice.

Either way, it's a tad silly. We can perhaps agree on that.

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Originally Posted by Norrin Radd

Taking the law into their own hands to pursue natural justice.

Either way, it's a tad silly. We can perhaps agree on that.

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Are you implying that Batman is silly?

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Originally Posted by Norrin Radd

Taking the law into their own hands to pursue natural justice.

Either way, it's a tad silly. We can perhaps agree on that.

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Who in their right mind would pursue "natural" justice? Only certain fanatics would do that. Most people just want revenge. Doubt that even a majoritity of vigilantes agrees with the concept of "natural" justice.

As for death being worse than ****: it is inconclusive. Sure we can refer to statistics. However, one cannot foresee whether death or the **** will be worse for this particular person. A life in pain can be worse than death depending on the degree of pain. Nevertheless, since in the majority of the cases death is worse than ****, a justice system that treats **** worse than murder would be flawed.

As for death as penalty itself: there is a reason why so many countries have abolished death as penalty from their system of justice.

you guys rant on killing them bla bla bla...

but then again...what can you do?