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Originally Posted by MrTingTing
If they burned a bible at the same time I'd thank them, relgion is not needed anymore!Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Opolis
I f*cking hate people so much.
Great, burn their "bible" so that we start another religious war. Sounds like a great idea.
People are idiots.
oh god ... i mean "oh guard" war is coming......
Seriously?
What the **** is the problem..?
If they have such a hard time with the mosque being built there, take the opposite sideway walk and pass it, there, no problem.
Wasn't The United States the country of free speech and shit?
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Originally Posted by Hatashi
Yes, but as you know, freedom has it's limitations. Well, at least that's what they keep telling us American's...
Well then Florida needs to stfu and worry about whats going on in their state.
Like, really wha da fawk, is there problem....
This is why we can't have religion.
Imagine this: a bunch of crazy Christians steal an airplane and crash it directly into Mecca, destroying it completely. 9 years later, Christians want a church built near the former site of Mecca. Should they be allowed to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hatashi
Gotta agree. This has always been my main issue with the ground zero mosque.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramstien
Oh and, here's a bit about the event: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...1-victims.html
Actually some of the Muslims said that for every Qur'an that is burned they will donated 20 (or more I forget the exact number) to libraries and other places across the city.
Even though I don't like religion I got a good laugh out of that.
It's a good peaceful way to deal with the issue.
You are comparing all Christians to one small group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramstien
Just like you are comparing all Muslims to an extremist group.
Did you know there are Christian churches in Hiroshima even though America (considered a Christian nation by many, even though I don't agree) bombed it and killed tens to hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Or did you know that there is a Japanese cultural center in Hawaii even though the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.
How about All Americans should not be able to build in america at all since our ancestors brutally tortured and ***** and killed the Native Americans and drove them off the land they used to live on.
Three other things you forget.
They are building it as a community center with places to play basketball, a pool and much more.
The man building there is Feisal Abdul Rauf who is a well known activist against terrorism for over a decade. Hey helps unite the Muslim communities in America and speaks for peace. He helped the Bush Administration after 9/11 and even aided the FBI on counter terrorism.
Also you forget that the man owns the property and can build there if he wants by law.
Oh my god! What an OUTRAGE!!!!
They're going to burn a fifteen dollar book?!?!?! No ****ing way those intolerant assholes!!! I am so mad I am going to post about it on the ****ing internet!
No, seriously though, burning a book pertaining to someones' religion is the equivalent of talking shit. So who listens to shit talkers anyway? The more you get mad about things like this, the more it fuels the people who are doing it, because all they want is a reaction.
Whenever the media gets involved in something like this they make things a thousand times worse. Let them do whatever the hell they want. If they want to be dicks, let them be dicks. Who are they harming? I like Final Fantasy 7. If someone abhorred FF7 because they preferred 8 and broke a copy of 7 in front of me, I'd just be like "Bro, you just wasted like 20 bucks, lol".
Haterade, and such.
Imagine this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramstien
The Westboro Baptist Church crashes a plain into an economical center in Saudi Arabia. Almost a decade later, secular protestants from Sweden build a community center with a small interior chapel a 5 minute walk away from the crash site.
Should they be allowed to?
False analogy is false.
Americans are very patriotic and close-minded. Everything to America is black and white with no grey in between. 9/11 was a slap to the face which is why we went to war. And to Americans who care, building a mosque near 9/11 is equivalent to being spat on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eusnon
Hahaha, this isn't going to start a religious war. Don't be silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synlea
Yr over-simplifying things.Quote:
Originally Posted by KREVA
Only thing 9/11 had to do with our series of invasions and occupations in the Middle East was that none of us felt secure anymore, and we identified the source of the threat, so we went to attack it directly. It's only natural. It's not right the way we did it, but it wasn't because of a "slap in the face" like you mean it. It's a measure to protect us against outside threats by attacking them there. Afghanistan was harboring terrorists, so we swooped in there and took it out; Iraq was potentially developing WMDs that was a threat to Israel and ourselves, so we swoop in there to take it out.
This idea of yrs that America will invade because of pride is pretty silly once you get off yr pedestal and look at what really happened. I'm not saying whether the invasions were a good thing or not, I'm just saying why we did it.
*sigh* What a load of shit what do they get for disrespecting Muslims nothing but a self serving feeling of superiority that will wear off in a few days. Not to mention how stupid are they. They are making themselves a target for the crazy Muslims who might retaliate by burning their Church. I swear people are just too stupid these days.
Are you 7 years old or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarwen
Give me 1 example of a legitimate source of ''Crazy Muslims'' burning a Christian church.
http://olehgirl.com/?p=4059Quote:
Originally Posted by Hatashi
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...ord-allah.html
:D
Oh, and I forgot to add, say there are 5 cases of 5 different Christian families killing their children, would you think that every Christian family is capable of doing this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thas
How about a guy, he is a Christian, he rapes a women and kills her after, if something like this came into the news, would you believe that every Christian is like this?
Because I don't.
You get too much sources from the news, you should try to dig a little deeper on it and perhaps you will learn and understand a few things.
I never said everyone is, but the propensity to violence is so much higher than in other religions. Yes, i do indeed see it in the daily news, and have seen it alot during my youth at my hometown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hatashi
Depends on where you are. I wouldnt scream HEY IM A CHRISTIAN on the streets of teheran if i were you.Quote:
Most of the Muslims, which might be around 90% don't even have any intentions of harm or whatever.
Lol? Of course they are. In almost all of those stupid terrorist videos you're going to hear some kind of WE DO IT FOR ALLAH, THE HOLY WAR.Quote:
And the terrorist and extremist ones basically aren't even classified as Muslims by the religion.
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The Quran neither says that women should walk around dressed entirely only revealing their eyes since everyone thinks thats true too :l
It does. From the Koran: Sure 24: 31:
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And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to GOD, O you believers, that you may succeed.
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Originally Posted by Hatashi
I've been to turkey 3 times, all the women dress like that. It's not only in the western countries...they wear atleast a muslim headscarf and a garb, pants are frowned upon.
Of course it's wrong to sterotype muslims because of that, but it's a sad fact that terrorist assaults are justified with their religion.
Yeah, they might be saying they are doing it for Allah, but thats they're own imagination, they think it is correct, they think they will be praised for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eusnon
Its not true.. really, The Islam is a peaceful religion.
It is only misunderstood by some idiots, and those idiots are literally breaking the religion.
Believe me, the Muslims that understand what ''The Islam'' even is, don't justify it one bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTingTing
My family, which is half Muslim, and my friends which are Muslims hate Muslim terrorists as much as you probably do, you can hate the extremists, and the terrorist, but all that I am asking is, please, don't start to think that everyone is like that, the friends I have, are normal people, who like to have fun, they are open minded, and every other human of the opposite religion is just as important to them as someone from the same religion.
9/11 was a convenient excuse for GW to do what he was waiting to do all along. It successfully scared the public into supporting a war on something they didn't fully (or, at all for that matter) understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by KREVA
How convenient is that? A bit too convenient.
I agree with Oister.
I mean, it was never fully proven that it was a act of terrorism.
If a building in the US explodes, what will people think? Ofcourse, Islam.
What will you do if a building does explode and a Christian has done it?
Every period in History has it's religious disputes and wars.(well the wars are not really because of religion but religion is used to push people into wars)Quote:
Originally Posted by Thas
Back almost 900 years ago we had the Crusades....
Places dominated by Islam used to be the height of scientific advancements.
Actually places like Iran right now are the fastest growing in science.
You rely too much on the news.
It's not so much the religion itself that causes violence but the society and community.
The books based on the god Yahweh; Old Testament, New Testament and Qur'an are all contradictory and can be interpreted in a number of ways so it can be peaceful or violent.
So depending on the people and society they could be peaceful or violent even if it's the same religion.
For instance.
There were people admitting outright that if the community center was built they would burn it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Opolis
eh
scorpio
I don't see the problem here.
I burn bibles all the time.
This is stupid.Just for a building they will burn a religious book?
of course they wont, they have a theocracy, we don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramstien
Also:
David Koresh
Jim Jones
Eric Rudolph
Timothy McVeigh
etc
Crazy christian people who blew up shit and killed people, yet no ones abhorring at priests or anything. Theres tons more killing, kidnapping, molesting, blowing shit up, right now that are christian. I guess it's only something we start to care about and get into deep discussion and debate if they do it in the name of Allah
Wouldn't mind them burning those books, if they read them first, which I doubt they did.
Did you see that in the video the black guy was getting less points at the beginning even when they both answered all the same questions correctly?Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Opolis
I think he was making a 2/3 vote joke.
lol,these people need to open their eyes,they probably go to church every sunday to hear a man say Jesus said do upon yourself that you want others to do upon you or something like that,never read the bible,nor christian
but yeah,so when Disney gets blown up,we know who to blame
No it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenonight2
It wasn't even "potentially" doing that.
I am not even talking about the kill first ask later attitude.
Terminator's 3D movie is sweet,go before it is goneQuote:
Originally Posted by V-Opolis
Something I would like to say on the topic of the comon cited peacefulness of the Islam:
People say that Islam is a religion that does not have have any inherent frictions with human rights;
Honour killings are not part of the Islam, just as stoning women to death or all the other funny ideas.
This is a half-truth.
The Sharia as it based on the 5 fundaments of islamic laws, namely
- believe in the right religion (Islam)
- adherence to the right life (eg. Islamic tradition)
- Sanctity of property
- Sanctity of the right mind (eg. no intoxicants)
- The sanctity of indisputable heritage
These pilars and how they are treated in the Islamic world make up the groundwork of any Islamic society and not adhering to the rules in the Sharia is more or less on the level of an heretic act against Allah.
Now how can the last one be ever be coexistent with women rights and equality?
It can't.
How can the adherence to the right believe ever be coexistent with free speech?
It can't.
how can the adherence to the right live ever be coexistent with human rights?
Human rights are no part of it and it can't.
Saying that Islam is a peaceful religion might be something that is easily said.
It's not a religion of freedom and it's not a religion of social equality and it's not a religion of tolerance.
When a Muslim lives a tolerant live, he does not because his religion tells him too, but because it is his choosing for other reasons.
His religion often tells him the opposite.
Some one already linked a case. Did I say ALL Muslims no I did not never assume. There are SOME Muslims who will do crazy things sadly it is ok to SOME Muslims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hatashi
Alright, I'm not even going to @ at whoever, I'm just counter arguing like 50 points.
Let's start with something I like to call..Succesful terrorists were succesful. I HIGHLY doubt those 5 extremists were aiming to ruin america by taking down two towers. They wanted to create a shockwave, and create fear and instability in the nation. They sure as hell did that if today americans are holding grudges against FELLOW AMERICANS BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGION. You realize one of the "Founding" ideas of america was the multi cultural-Believe and see what you see as you see it; and you're still AMERICAN concept, correct ?
You're not punishing extremists here, you're hurting americans.
Now let's be honest here..No matter what this is to you guys.. A slap in the face sure be it, what would you guys saying "No you can't pray to your god here, despite it being in your rights" say to them ?
These people were not responsible for your towers falling. Letting them pray peacefully is better than them "Killing people for sacrifice" like you guys would like to believe.
Has anyone here even LOOKED at the religion ? Islam is NOT a violent religion by natural means. People take it to the extreme.
Hell, wasn't there a christian serial killer who went around killing people because he saw them as "Inpure" and believed they deserved to die in hell.
What about those christians that "hear god" and kill people because he tells them ?
Ya..
Or you know, let's use a more "Global" term for you guys. 60 years ago you treated black men like slaves. This wasn't just one or two people, this was EVERYONE. Does this give the black man I right to just go around ****ing every white man up ?
No.
What about stealing native land ? Do the natives have the right to say we can't build where we want..
They have more of a right to stop us from building, then we do to stop these men.
Fact is the chance 9/11 is an inside job is still VERY WELL POSSIBLE.
This to me, seems like it's going to give the U.S a reason to stay in the middle east longer-again a potentially inside plotted idea to create another war over a stupid thing.
These guys get this, then a muslim bombing goes off in NY they get blamed,government gets blamed-they can crack down on all people believing in ISLAM and invade the middle east, while being cruel to the muslims in america.
Just seems like an instigated problem.
and then instigate the average muslim man by burning their bible. I mean the normal person would get pretty dam pissed, and possibly rebel. Meaning tougher holds on laws-and more restrictions.
The irony makes me laugh.
1.Burning the Quran when you have no use for it is often seen as a acceptable way of disposing it.
2.Islam and Christianity believe in the same god and thus the Christians are calling their own god a devil.