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Have you ever thought of ....... therapy?
It is difficult helping someone over the Internet.
2mg of kpins? Like, all at once? Man, how can you even function?
Some people just need some help. Its not really a bad thing, but I can see where you'd be frustrated having to have some pills to balance you out. Maybe some day you'll figure out a way to be happy without them, but for now I guess you should just be glad you've got a combo of things that works for you.
You can deal with shit without meds...
Just stop taking them and get on with life. Meds don't make things less painful, so just get on with it.
Man up, stop being a *****.
Find a way to accelerate.Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Opolis
This is 2 weeks dude. Not good.
However, concerning some intermediate ways of fixing this: There isn't all to much a point in trying. You only have to stay rational and do this one thing, which is getting people to help you and be accepting enough to let them. Everything else might be more of a burden to aspire too than a help even if you manage to get it done.
You are anxious and the anxiety tells you to find a way out asap. Don't try to find that way. Calm down and stop to entangle yourself.
Count to 20 or something and if that doesn't work, 100.
He said he has a chemical imbalance. The anti-depressants will help balance that out, and he must have some extreme anxiety to have a script for 2mg of kpins (I'm still unclear if this is multiple doses per day, or one large one?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Norrin Radd
Depression and anxiety aren't something everyone can mentally power their way through. Those chemical imbalances aren't just something people make up...if he has been diagnosed with that as his reason, sometimes it really is better to be medicated.
I used to have to take them too, when I was much younger. I decided to do the "get over it" thing, and it worked out for me. But that doesn't work for everyone.
I know some people need it for medical purposes and not recreational ones. I thought you meant 2mg at once, that seemed extreme for anyone to be taking all at once.
Tnx for making me feel relatively sane in comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Opolis
Zoloft shouldn't just ware off like that, it stays in your system for like 36 hours (if I remember correctly), and you should be getting two doses morning and night. If you suddenly stopped taking your pills then you would be feeling the withdrawl effects and it would make all your symptoms worse.
That guy is right though, you are being a *****. You're not the only one with problems. People deal with much worse and don't ever whine about it.
That is the most counter-productive thing you could say. Also, one of the most ignorant things.Quote:
That guy is right though, you are being a *****. You're not the only one with problems. People deal with much worse and don't ever whine about it.
Just because one can doesn't mean one should. If V-Op's doctors decision is that he takes meds it's probably a good idea that he should, not listen to internet tough guys.Quote:
You can deal with shit without meds...
Just stop taking them and get on with life. Meds don't make things less painful, so just get on with it.
Remember that the pills are just temporary until yr therapy can really start.Quote:
I made this thread before i had my meds and finally decided to get out of bed after 2 hours of laying there. im great now. I did a hour of yoga, ran 2 miles and working out now. It just sucks that i have to have pills to make me a functional motivational person. And if i dont take em i do alot of mistakes to ruin shit in my life. Like i dont take opportunities when they arise. I did something last night i NEVER would have done before my pills.
Well, I would personally always get 1 or 2 alternative opinions on psycho-pharmaca prescription, but as he is already ok with doing drugs, probably it would be strange to make a big deal out of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenonight2
In the end however: If facing it didn't help before, why should it now? If meds are the alternative the doc offered, it would be kinda stupid to ignore it, facing that there is no other.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
Some people are depressed by default and can't pinpoint a single source. That's the tricky case.
You (V-Op) list many reasons, and they are just, but they'll pass. Everyone, no matter how severe, learns to live with heartache from any source. You may never get over one girl, or a death, or whatever, but it DOES become easier to deal with.
Just by the nature of the brain, it does. You cannot spent 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year thinking about that which has upset you. Just by pure nature, you can't. As time goes on, it'll get less and less bad.
Having it doesn't make you an authority whatsoever at all, ever. By calling someone who has to use depression meds a ***** to get through a normal day quite proves my point that you are not an expert, and are ignorant on the subject. In fact, it's pretty insulting to do that. Maybe, I don't know, depression is a disease and people who have it don't want to be insulted? Just some food for thought. (:Quote:
Originally Posted by bonneau_14
I might be mistaking you for someone else but aren't you the guy that kept saying that finding God (or was it Jesus?) helped you get trough a lot, and that church helped you triumph over a lot of addictions and yada yada?
So... where's your religion now? And I don't mean as "why isn't God saving you", I mean, why don't you go talk to a priest if you can't talk to a psychiatrist right now? Yes, completely different things, but the results could be just as positive and perhaps more immediate.
I'm not a religious person but I have known really cool and wise priests that have helped a lot of people.
Thats a pretty ignorant thing to say. Some people have genetic heritages to be more depressed faster. So you want them to feel like shit and 'just get on with it'.. wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norrin Radd
i dont think so. its more a result of the mental tools your upbringing has provided you with. (or failed to provide you with in this case)Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Opolis
i see tons of cases every week where people say "im really depressed, i cant work, i cant even get out of bed in the morning" then they go on to list how they are on "20mg of this" or "twice a day of that"
people these days (generalisation...) seem to think that if their doctor or GP precribes them with something then they MUST be ill and there MUST be a problem and it MUST be serious.
the problem with so called mental disorders like depression is that they are hard to categorize and prove. is he depressed or just lazy? is he ill or just being self destructive? is it physical or just a mental funk he needs to pull himself out of?
hard to say. but the more you try to compensate the worse it will get. perhaps years of covering up and attempting to compensate is now coming out. either way its a slippery slope. ive seen so many people as young as thirty, sometimes younger, saying that theyve given up on life because of their depression. some cases sound legit, some sound like utter bullsh*t.... i like to think most of them are and that they are just a result of our free-benefits society.
but i guess you have to reveiw everything objectively on a case by case basis and not be too heavy handed with generalisations. (which is difficult). you probably need to focus on yourself and try to be productive. fill up your time with work or exercise. if women are pissing you off, maybe you dont need a relationship right now. there is such thing as being single. stop chasing things you think OUGHT to make you feel better. get on with work or school work or something. the main thing is to stay busy. normally when i see people that have gone to sh*t its because theyve lost their part time job through neglect and slowly they stop doing everything else. stop working, stop washing, stop getting dressed... until finally they stop getting out of bed each day without help and then sign on for some benefits because they cant look after themselves. normally thats people in their 40's though, but it can happen to anyone in the same state.
norrin is partly right with his "get on with it" attitude. because if you let it rule you, then it will. and you will only get worse. just remember though... most of the world doesnt want to get up in the morning. its a common thing.
and drachir.... dont talk about genetics and say people can inherit "being depressed easily". thats f*cking bullsh*t. if your parents are depressed all the time then you pick that up as a child because its part of your environment. the way we deal with problems as adults is based partly on life experiences and partly on how we are raised. we mimic our parents. so if our parents are depressed all the time then we see that as the way to deal with the world. we subconsciously pick up these traits and often dont realise we are using them. its not genetics you silly little man. anyone blaming their problems on genetics is only adding to the downward spiral "its not my fault, its my genes, but i cant change my genes, so nothing can fix me, so i can never get better, so why try to change things"
you can change things.
No. Talking about problems helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by yukmouth094
Yeah, I had thought so too, but read some of Norrin's other posts. He explains his points better so he doesn't sound like another internet tough guy.Quote:
Thats a pretty ignorant thing to say. Some people have genetic heritages to be more depressed faster. So you want them to feel like shit and 'just get on with it'.. wow.
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Originally Posted by Xenonight2
Talking about problems helps, but its a temporary pain killer in my eyes. Hey may feel good while hes talking about it, and maybe a few hours afterwards but after a day or so he will be back to point A.
1.) Cocaine
2.) ******s
3.) Blow cocaine off ******s ***
4.)???
5.) Happiness
If that fails then yes you are ****ed.
One a serious note i used to take meds a lot as well, i just stopped taking them and started going for walks and building models guess you can say i self therpied? (is that spelled right?) Those two hobbies helped me take my mind off things, concentrate on stuff that made me happy and well when you were done you either lost weight or had something to show off and be proud of.
scorpio
well. first thing id stop doing is laying in bed for hours thinking about bad stuff that happend to you, go read a book or play some games or watch some tv and try to focus on that :) id also stop with zoloft but dont do this yourself, ask your shrink or doctor to help with this cause u need to build down this medication. if u stop from 1 moment to another u can have side-effects. i know cause ive had this trash for a little while also and all it did is making me uncontrollable weird. like i wasnt myself anymore. best of luck anyway.:)
edit: while were at it, does anyone know some good tips to prevent hyperventilation? :P besides breathing in a bag(or one of those platique cassete thingy's). ive had it since a couple of weeks now and thought it was over till it started again a few days ago.. it makes me unable to do anything all day long>.<
i get it in 2 different ways.
1. my brain starts itching/becomes blank and i feel like im gonna faint./all my muscles weaken.
2. my heart starts beating like crazy till i feel pain trough my whole body and usually inludes "1" too if it takes too long.
(then theres also the after-effect which is feeling ice-cold, and twitching legs like crazy and unable to sleep)
this shit is killing me (atleast it feels like your dieing) and makes me scared everytime, which worsen the hypervent effect again.
seriously i rather become sick for 2 weeks instead of having to put up with this crap >.< its soo random also, i can be enjoying myself playing a game and the next moment BAM! it starts.
There's no such thing as an attempted suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Opolis
If you really wanted to die, you'd be dead. Not saying you should, because you shouldn't, in my opinion.
When I feel like crap, I walk the dog and listen to Muse: Space Dementia. After that I frag some people, watch some show (Rubicon atm) and I'm aight.
Talk to some friends about it, find a place where you like to be and you feel at peace, take a walk...
I really think you should find a close friend or a person to talk about your problems with. They will be able to help you out.
It may help you get through the day without as much medication. Other than that I hope you will find ways to feel better :)
Sometimes the truth hurts, doesn't make it any less true though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenonight2
Coming on an online forum and crying isn't going to solve his problems. If he has a genetic chemical imbalance in his brain or a common short term case of simple depression, then these pills will help. If he doesn't want to take the pills, he needs to find his own way to deal with his problems (we can't do it for him.) He asked "Why am I like this?", there is no way for ANY of us to know, could be genetics, could be a result of how he was brought up.
I never claimed to be an authority. I'm claiming to know depression first hand, quite well actually.
Not exactly an uncommon response to being played?Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Opolis
Take your time getting over it, but just get over it eventually.
Maybe it's not your condition, but a human response?
I personally don't believe in taking meds for moods & suicidal thoughts. Everyone has them. You just gotta learn to deal with them. There are VERY, VERY few special cases where those meds are truly warranted. You'll be shocked at how many people have chemical imbalance in the brain. Some develop mental illness, some don't.
If your life suck like hell, you're NOT suppose to view the world as a place full of rainbow and gumdrops. Now if you're rolling in doughs, surrounded by dear friends, and have a loving spouse, and you are still gloomy as sin...
It happens to all of us (the girl thing), and i'm not gonna lie i cried too.. that was a year ago and i still think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Opolis
But i have met better girls the way i see it is
as more girls become available the value of each decreases.. well doesn't everything work that way?
It's nice and all, but this isn't really the place :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenonight2
Its only human to cry, cry your heart out. Then try to not think about her anymore, you'll slowly grow away.Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Opolis
Righto, I know how it feels. Just hang in there and remember that there are people who care about you. Not all family is like yr dad, I hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Opolis
Why do people think that we're in control of our minds ?
People seem to think that our "Mind" is outside of our pyhsical body.
Guess what, it's our brain. We don't change out brain, our brain changes us. If you understand how to fix a problem with something else in your life, you're still not FIXING THE PROBLEM IN YOUR BRAIN..You're distracting yourself from the problem.
Some people need pills to get by, it's life. That said, just relax, I don't know what to say. Try to avoid depressing situations if it's possible and when they might come around try to..Well not be off your pills when they arise. If you want to try to go back to doing things without medication..Well, you have to do things slowly. Get USED to the problems you have. See them as normal, and learn to adapt.
Your life is of little concern of mine. Just as my life is of little concern of yours.
The difference between us is I don't go post about how I do drugs and take a shit ton of meds.
Hope you feel better.