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Guild Wars 2 - General New Information/Discussion
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Oh wow thats worse than some cash shops of f2p games. i didnt expect that
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Just a reminder that you can purchase gems with gold. Also, I don't think it's that bad. You're getting a B2P MMO here, where you can purchase everything in the cash shop without paying any real money.
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Hrm, only thing I was sort of interested in was the transmutation stuff.
Also 5 character slots with 8 professions. Need to buy 3 to be able to get 1 of each profession.
I won't be using it gem shop, unless I manage to cap out my 5 characters and absolutely feel the need to play the other 3.
Either way I don't mind this, most of it is just "gain stuff faster" kind of things. Or cosmetic stuff.
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Why don't you explain why you believe it is so bad. Just saying its bad doesn't make it so.
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Originally Posted by
Peter1992t
Why don't you explain why you believe it is so bad. Just saying its bad doesn't make it so.
Exactly!
You need to look at the cash shop as an add on. It's an additional feature that has nothing to do with games mechanics, unlike most f2P crap (allods comes to mind) Spend what you will there or don't, it wont make or break you. I look at it as a bonus. But to complain and say fail, that's ******ed.
GW2 will become the new norm in other games aping in to come...
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I guess it doesnt look so bad.... no mounts I see though I would want to buy a cool mount there if I was going to get anything
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The only thing to me that looks a bit sketchy right now is that revive stone, and the mystic key. But Slade says you can buy those things using in game gold, or at least buy the points needed. So it shouldn't be a problem. Besides, this is the first bit of info we got about the cash shop, I'm sure it'll change.
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Originally Posted by
syklonis
It's an additional feature that has nothing to do with games mechanics,
Yup. And I like it because it increases the visual disparity between hardcore and and carebear guilds :)
Better start grinding IRL so I can afford the high-end stuff!
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Watching the amount of drama that leak has stirred on guru is quite amusing, to say the least.
I don't really dislike the cash shop, though I can't say I fancy the idea of having to purchase Bag Slot Unlocks for each of my characters; and that's because I tend to delete and create characters all the time. Other than that, seems alright.
According to some people, the Perfect Salvage Kits and Mystic Keys can be accessed normally in the game; meaning that this is just a faster way of obtaining them. How true is that... well, I'll let you judge that.
Edit: Apparently it's something around 5$ for 400 gems, according to a not so trustful source. It'd take it with a grain of salt, if anything.
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You can get gems with in game gold!
You can buy all these items with gold you get in the game!
You can get all these items without paying any real money!
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Originally Posted by
Ethelwulf
Watching the amount of drama that leak has stirred on guru is quite amusing, to say the least.
I don't really dislike the cash shops, though I can't say I fancy the idea of having to purchase Bag Slot Unlocks for each of my characters, and that's because I tend to delete and create characters every time. Other than that, seems alright.
According to some people, the Perfect Salvage Kits and Mystic Keys can be accessed normally in the game; meaning that this is just a faster way of obtaining them. How true is that... well, I'll let you judge that.
Excuse me. Why you want to delete your characters over and over?
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Originally Posted by
Felore
You can get gems with in game gold!
You can get all these items without paying anything!
Of the game or the cash shop? Catch 'ya! ;)
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Looks fine to me, and about what I expected.
Of course, I am sure Guru is *****ing more then they ever have now.
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Originally Posted by
Miiksu
Excuse me. Why you want to delete your characters over and over?
Because I like murdering my virtual persona in a rather sadistic way when his story is over.
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Oh wow
Preorder cancelled
Smashed my monitor, called the cops, etc.
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only the beginning.. til more CS item appears.
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i'm not sure how gem<->gold works.. but if its auction house/market between players and not by its system, inflation will occur as game progress.
sure.. everything seems to be fair atm.. gem generates slower than free in-game golds =/
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The objects that worries me are the extra character slots and bag upgrades...
I wonder how many character slots everyone gets by default and what the largest bags are that are available in the game with the normal currency. We all saw it coming 2 years ago, a lot of newsposts and articles featuring that micro transactions brings in a lot more money but I do think they are taking it a little over the top. We'll see, I think ArenaNet has it all figured out and I trust them :)
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Lol that's not bad whatsoever. Only thing I could see people complaining about is the experience boost and even if there is one, it's not going to interfere with PvP whatsoever seeing as the game balances PvP automatically.
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There's always a catch....at least it doesn't look too bad right now.
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So far it doesn't look that bad. Hopefully this is all of it.
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i dont see why so much complain about it , is perfectly fair.
Does someone have a exp boost affect directly your game experience ? i dont think so and it also aplies for all of these items and you can get em with gold so what ?
want a exp boost too ? farm a bit gold and buy it if you dont want expend real money
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GUYS LEAGUES and GW2 CASH SHOP IS BAD
YOU CAN BUY CHAMPIONS WITH RP OR YOU CAN PLAY THE GAME
YOU HAVE TO PAY TO SWITCH SKINS ****ING NOOB
YOU CAN PAY TO GET MORE EXP SO YOU LEVEL FASTER ****ING OP OP OP OP OP OP OP I MEAN OH DEAR LORD OP!
is what people are thinking
so far i see
exp,karma,ect boost which League has and i dont see anyone *****ing about that
Transmutation stones = skins in league
Bigger bags = more rune pages
All i see you guys is support games with cash shops that make me cry...
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It honestly doesn't look too bad to me atm. Dunno why people are complaining. Though hopefully they'll give us a decent amount of char slots to use
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Originally Posted by
Gadiel
GUYS LEAGUES and GW2 CASH SHOP IS BAD
YOU CAN BUY CHAMPIONS WITH RP OR YOU CAN PLAY THE GAME
YOU HAVE TO PAY TO SWITCH SKINS ****ING NOOB
YOU CAN PAY TO GET MORE EXP SO YOU LEVEL FASTER ****ING OP OP OP OP OP OP OP I MEAN OH DEAR LORD OP!
is what people are thinking
so far i see
exp,karma,ect boost which League has and i dont see anyone *****ing about that
Transmutation stones = skins in league
Bigger bags = more rune pages
All i see you guys is support games with cash shops that make me cry...
Yep
It's not like S4 where you can buy armor with +20% skills and damage(which is sad since it's a PvP game)
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Originally Posted by
exodian1
It honestly doesn't look too bad to me atm. Dunno why people are complaining. Though hopefully they'll give us a decent amount of char slots to use
I've heard 5 slots, and I believe there are 8 classes so far. Meaning for most of us, we'll probably not have to get additional slots since most people don't play EVERY class.
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I am aware that you can buy Gems for Gold but that is basically like paying real money for power. Just spend a few thousand real life money and convert it to in-game gold and become mega rich. Now you can afford those top notch super expensive shit. Furthermore, being able to sell gems will just jack up prices for the average player. Just sell a thousand dollars worth of Gem and you're mega rich. Now sellers are just going to jack up prices of everything in the game because they know those people can afford it. The average are left in the dust. -_-
If you're not okay with players buying gold from goldsellers, then you shouldn't be okay with players buying gold from the developers. That is basically what they're doing.
Guild Wars 1 was good because you had to rely on your own merchanting skills/ability. But now... it's just "shove a few thousand dollars and be instantly rich instead."
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Originally Posted by
M1nGs3N4yuk1
I am aware that you can buy Gems for Gold but that is basically like paying real money for power. Just spend a few thousand real life money and convert it to in-game gold and become mega rich. Now you can afford those top notch super expensive shit. Furthermore, being able to sell gems will just jack up prices for the average player. Just sell a thousand dollars worth of Gem and you're mega rich. Now sellers are just going to jack up prices of everything in the game because they know those people can afford it. The average are left in the dust. -_-
If you're not okay with players buying gold from goldsellers, then you shouldn't be okay with players buying gold from the developers. That is basically what they're doing.
Guild Wars 1 was good because you had to rely on your own merchanting skills/ability. But now... it's just "shove a few thousand dollars and be instantly rich instead."
I'm certainly not against your point in my next statement but
who the flying **** is going to spends $1,000's on a game?
I know Entropia(i think that's the name) and EVE have some big spenders, however these people often have a means of making a profit out of it. EVE for example has guilds building ships and then selling them.(IRL)[unless the devs cracked down on it]
So to conclude: Not necessarily countering the validity of your point, however you should take note that making up big numbers only hurts you in an argument(of any sorts).
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Originally Posted by
Proxzor
The objects that worries me are the extra character slots and bag upgrades...
I wonder how many character slots everyone gets by default and what the largest bags are that are available in the game with the normal currency. We all saw it coming 2 years ago, a lot of newsposts and articles featuring that micro transactions brings in a lot more money but I do think they are taking it a little over the top. We'll see, I think ArenaNet has it all figured out and I trust them :)
That's pretty much my main concern, I'm atleast happy to see it's nothing gamebreaking at the very least.
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Oh noes! instant repair! EXP boosters! COSTUMES OF ALL THINGS! SO OP AND NOW GW2 IS TRASH!
No, really now...The only thing I'm skeptical about is the mystic key thing...And if you can get those with ingame currency anyway it's fine.
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Do you know how many F2P games I review that have cash shops that look like this?
X Weapon (better then weapons available with ingame) for such and such real money.
X Armor (better then armor available with ingame) for such and such real money.
Etc, etc, etc.
GW2 doesnt look to have any of that. Ive played league of legends now for 3 years. I can tell you not once have I faced someone and felt "dang he is so much stronger then me because he has a skin, or an extra rune page!" I still just have 3 rune pages and you know what? Im fine with it. I will be fine with 5 character slots too. Ill want to get an extra bag slot but since I can get that with gold conversion I am no blowing a blood vessel.
Seriously just chill out....
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Originally Posted by
Arri
Oh noes! instant repair! EXP boosters! COSTUMES OF ALL THINGS! SO OP AND NOW GW2 IS TRASH!
No, really now...The only thing I'm skeptical about is the mystic key thing...And if you can get those with ingame currency anyway it's fine.
Yeah, literally the ONLY thing worth being concerned about is that key, but I highly doubt it will be anything game breaking.
We all saw how they did cash shop in GW1, I have faith in them.
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It changes things significantly that Guild Wars is a game you have to put down money for in the first place.
In a free to play game, I can let things slide, It's a free game, but, in a pay-to-play game or buy to play, you kinda expect these things to be implemented within the main content of the game, not separate and expected to be paid for with extra money.
You expect costumes to be unlocked via progression, keys and what-not to be dropped, resurrection scrolls to be NPCable.
Another issue is that, given the whole MMO model basically depends upon time-sinks, the idea of allowing players to buy "Time-savers" is basically a subtle form of buying power.
Which is simply not acceptable for me.
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the items in the cash shop are not the problem, the fact that i can go drop 200-1000$ into the game and sell the gems is, there have been a very large number of f2p mmo's where people can sell cosmetic cash shop items for in game gold and it almost always ruins the economy.
that being said if its anything like guild wars was gold will be borderline useless hell i sold a extra copy of nightfall to someone for 3200 plat and never had any use for it other then buying miniatures and keys.
real world trading no matter how its handled is bad imo.
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Keep in mind everything in the cash shop can be bought with in game currency. Also a lot of the keys and such drop off of mobs to begin with.
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CS seems to be no big deal. I don't think we use gold for much in game anyways, just repairs and teleports, some crafting stuff which doesn't do much either....so use your gold to buy CS items if you want.
Mystic box cant be a big deal, theres no meaningful items in GW2 to aquire.
Res stone doesnt work in pvp, so thats small potatoes too.
So everyones just going to buy a couple bags/bank slots, and use extra gold to buy magic find CS items.
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Only thing i can see myself buying from the cs is dyes and char slots, but of course ill usually stick to 1 character throughout the course of my play time so...that wont be for a while. trans stones can be purchased from npcs with karma so forget about those. I wont touch those costumes unless they look alot better than the picture provided.
Don't see anything game breaking as of yet, keeping in mind i can get gems with gold so whatever, this cash shop shouldnt ever be a problem from the looks of it.
Probably bag slots if i decide to put more time into a 'main'.
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GW2's cash shop looks like allods cash shop you can earn everything in game use gold buy gems win win. oh noes costume over priced? dont buy it let the seller realize its not worth that much or let some idiot buy it.
All the negative comments in this thread just...
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Originally Posted by
minajkl
GW2's cash shop looks like allods cash shop you can earn everything in game use gold buy gems win win. oh noes costume over priced? dont buy it let the seller realize its not worth that much or let some idiot buy it.
All the negative comments in this thread just...
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This just in you all got told by the Mexican who cant even buy Dungeon Defenders DLC - you also got Ponyed DAYUM.
- That being said why is everyone throwing a fit over cheap customs that serve no purpose in the game and exp pots and stuff? it's not like it EFFECTS THE GAME AT ALL
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I have a very hard time understanding what people were expecting from the cash shop. It's a B2P game, you don't pay monthly, you buy it once and you can play it forever without spending 1 penny and obtain everything in the cash shop using in-game currency. Even character slots and bag unlocks.
This game has been in development even before 2007, that is 5 years of hard work. Do you expect them to just give you everything in the game for a one time payment? And only have a few costumes AND THAT IS IT?
So you buy GW2, and once you gain the max level in every slot, and you want to purchase more slots, let's ignore the fact that you could buy those slots with in game money. So you have to spend £7/8 in a game that you've been enjoying for several months and you didn't pay 1 extra penny.
What if the game was P2P, do you no understand how much more money you'd be paying? How about if it went P2P AND cash shop like WoW?
Seriously, the only people that I can see moaning about this cash shop are very lazy young people that need to have everything NOW, but can't due to their mothers not buying them cash shop items.
I hate this word but I'm going to use it. Some people here have some severe issues with entitlement.