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Well lately the General has been getting crowded by countless amounts of threads relating to just religion. I feel that there is no need for threads to discuss every single little aspect of it so I created this. Everything that relates to religion should be put in here... Unless a mod deletes it. Hopefully they will see this as help rather than a bother.
K, Then I have the first question... As a Christian I am suposta beleve that only if you beleve that Jesus died for your sins... I do but STill i hear other people saying all the other relegions go to hell... I personly dont think god can be that crule ageinst someone that has no chance of beleveing otherwise...
Someone else feild that one.. I got no idea.
In my opinion, everyones religion should be accepted, that includes aeithisim and all other odd ones like that, and that you shouldn't have these firebombings about this, WELL DUH THATS WHY THESE POSTS ARE POPPING UP, BECAUSE OF WHAT JUST HAPPENED IN THE RELIGIOUS WORLD!!!! the amount of religous discussion will soon die down to the normal smallish amount though.
Athiesim is for the confused, philosophy is a greater form of Athiesim.
Nicely said, I think Athiesim is confustion/rebelison or lazyness. I dont go to church but i still beleve what i do, Athiesim is just a excuse i think for not haveing the responsiblitys(with few there are) of a religon. Also most Athiesim happens in youth, for that reson and also adlessons kicks in and make a quite rebelios state...Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexanderVB
Athiesim=lack of religon(lazy,dont care, rebel)
As Alexander said, higer forms of Athiesim is diffrent. You beleve something.
I read the bible, but still the bible is a gathering of stories by a man, from the words of god. God Gives mercy, If your born to beleve something then your going to beleve that is the way. Gotta think in there mind. Is that fair? god is fair is he not, he is not like the world we live in today. So shouldnt they get just as much worth as the ones that beleve
What i think-
Just about every religion teaches people morals and shit and some people dont understand that.They just think its just some stupid "get out of hell free" card
,which for some people it is,but for others it is a way of life.The only problem i have with some(or alot of) atheists is that,they hate people who dont think what they think,not only that,but they only see the surface of things.They think that its just false hope and what really pisses me off is how most(if not all of them) are shit head TEENAGERS who dont even know how to do taxes,let alone know if god (or any other diety) exists.One 17 year old asshole even said he proved the existance of god(he "proved" god doesnt exist).
Religious people can be assholes too,like the asses who blew shit up because someone made a cartoon with muhammud in it.
Ironic that islam teaches peace.
Yep... Islam feels the same way. And if your christian, chances are you blame the Islamic faith itself for select acts of terrorism. It's nothing new. We all hate on each other but we may not go to extremes of bombing their establishments but we do blame them. Islamics will get it sooner or later. The Order: Jews, Christians, Islamic, repeat. Its the cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ddc
Meh, thats the problem, people look at religion as a whole. Goes like this... "There are so many it means their all fakes.", "This religion did bad so that means all religion is bad.", unwanted restrictions (which is actually saving your *** from a harmful experience.), ignorance, fear of commitment, superiority complex, I can go on and on. Atheism in itself whether you have morals or not and claim yourself to be atheist is an immoral, self denouncing yet at the same time self empowering "non-religion" religion. By that I mean that Atheism truly is a belief that this material world is all there is and "we are pretty much equal to animals as far as life goes" however they also detach themself from a higher being and claim there are none because of a compulsory self-empowerment in the terms you most likely don't want to feel anyone is above you and has authority over your life.
I'm not saying you should believe to believe only in fear of being left out for not believing, I simply feel that religion is important in this world and eternally and is very fulfilling in more than one way. The teachings of the Bible can keep you, if you follow the teachings faithfully, from harmful experiences, such as temptation that leads to your demise, also heart ache and the like. Note some things are inevitable however that doesn't quite relate to that of which I'm speaking of above.
What do I believe? I believe that 90% of the people in the world that claim to be Christians are not. Simply believing in God does not make you a Christian, nor does it give you the right to claim to be one. Every day I hear things about my religion that are nothing but shameful, and they come from the mouths of people that claim to take part in it. Christians today have a bad reputation because of the masses of people who are nothing but hypocrites, hypocrites who have little to no education in the scriptures or philosophy of the Christian Bible. To be honest, I see a lot of it here.
Christians, that is easy to be apart of. a Christian is a person that beleves that jesus died for our sins, but is not apart of any other groups like Catholic, or Batist(i dont know how to spell it and im too lazy to google it) ect. So how can you discrace a religion with such few guild lines, Thats For going to haven, you beleve jesus died for your sins your in heven, everything els is extra. As said by my church
I really couldn't understand what you were trying to say, but I think I know what you mean. Denominations are a farce, you won't be stopped at the gates of Heaven simply because you're a Lutheran and not a Jehova's Witness, these are simply names for different interpretations of the text. It's what's in the Bible that matters at that point. You can be a great person - the nicest, most generous Buddhist alive - but unless you believed in the one true God and no other, obeyed the commands that he set down for you, and lived your life in glory to Him, then you will be denied the right to pass through.
Once again, this is simply from a Christian standpoint. I'm not attempting to force my will on any of you who don't believe.
-_- Religion= crowd control....keeps people going.motivation.....like somethings ahead to look forward to....
Heh Corinthians 12 -Quote:
Originally Posted by Manic
Although if I should wish to boast, I would not be foolish, for I would be telling the truth. But I refrain, so that no one may think more of me than what he sees in me or hears from me
because of the abundance of the revelations. Therefore, that I might not become too elated, 3 a thorn in the flesh was given to me, an angel of Satan, to beat me, to keep me from being too elated.
Three times
I begged the Lord about this, that it might leave me,
5 but he said to me
6 "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness." I will rather boast most gladly of my weaknesses, in order that the power of Christ may dwell with me.
Therefore, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and constraints, for the sake of Christ; for when I am weak, then I am strong. 7
8 I have been foolish. You compelled me, for I ought to have been commended by you. For I am in no way inferior to these "superapostles," even though I am nothing.
Nifty, I can quote the Bible too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArucardX
James chapter 2, verses 14 through 26.
Faith and Deeds
"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
But some will say, "You have faith, I have deeds."
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that - and shudder.
You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."
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Originally Posted by Manic
(Ephesians 2:8-9) - "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast."
(Rom. 3:20,28) - "because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin...For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
I'm not saying faith should lack "deeds", I'm merely saying without "deeds" that doesn't necessarily mean you are without faith. True faith results in true works. Much like faith without works, works with a false faith is just as useless. We as sinners are automatically unable to uphold all commandments, that doesn't mean thou shalt disobey the commandments that just means that, faith is much more important than works. Works just comes with faith.
The reason I posted originally in this thread was in response to your accusal of people that you don't truly know, of having a false faith. I have a feeling you were pointing that at me, I have my reasons to believe that from previous posts from you.
Its been a few times now that some one has stated that "islamic" was a religion, you seriously have no idea what your talking about if you don't know what an Islamic person is.
Carpet, that was the first thing I have ever seen you write that I respect you for.
Actually, I wasn't. You're right, I don't know you, nor do I know the extent of your knowledge of the Bible. This relates to what was said in the other thread, where you made reference to my avatar, and I made a comment in return (which, in retrospect, was uncalled for - sorry about that). I had meant to direct that toward the crowds that claim to be Christians, though truly have no idea whatsoever as to what they are claiming to be a part of, and openly show this aspect of themselves to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArucardX
no, i think people were just typing fast or figured that everyone knew what they were talking about to bother writing 'muslim'Quote:
Originally Posted by CarpetShark
doesnt really matter anyway since we all know what they mean, no use being pedantic.
fact of the matter is. it can't be proven either way. choose what you want to beleive, stop bashing people's beliefs. i believe in the existance of God, perhaps not to the extent of some, but i do believe, however, if you beleive in God, then you should know that he is the only one who has the right to judge man, so what give you the right to say Atheism is wrong?
As for people who do not believe in God, fine, don't believe, nobody has the right to tell you if your views are right or wrong. so good for you, we have differing views, my best friend doesn't believe in God, we don't argue about religion, we just understand eachothers views, and we accept that.
as far as philosophy being a greater form of atheism, sandman had it right, don't run your mouth about things you have no knowledge of, philosophy is an art of the mind, based on theories and beliefs, so before you make a decision about something based off of what your naive parent's told you, look into it for yourself.
broaden your mind, accept things around you. you should live your life the way you want to, if you so choose that is how you want to live.
i don't care who you are, if you are saying that any religion is wrong, you are wrong, and you are naive. since nobody can prove it, then nobody can say who is right, so maybe you are all right, mayeb you are all wrong, what does man really know of life and death?
nothing.
accept it.
live in the moment, and live for happiness.