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With recent news about its buy and premium, and questionable price for early access, they are now flooded with people complaining about it. I am pretty neutral about the situation. At most I'll pay enough for base entry but the premium part is very sketchy.
Yeah people are freaking out lol.
I say just wait for the EA to start, for the actual nitty gritty of what is in the CS and VIP sub before buying in.
No point claiming it's the apocalypse or something. I understand the strong skepticism but man people take it too far lol
i thought this was some anime mmorpg lol, or am i thinking about a different title? "blessing" maybe?
anyway i heard this game already failed in 3 different regions, i also heard it won't have a PvE server? since pvp in mmo's tend to be 20% skill and 80% stats that's enough reason for me to not play a game.
also with founderpacks, cash shop and monthly subscription straight of the bat im just like, 'no'.
I'm more triggered about the cash shop item that prevents you from being PK'd....
They could seriously make that an ingame toggle , but they force PVP on you unless you pay real money for a timed potion...
Korean companies are just so greedy..
Well you can't really simply call it a monthly subscription. It's more of paying for a monthly premium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abhorsen
Well, what is this MMO like? Typical theme park where you quest to the cap and then do dungeons or PvP? Is it fun? Not saying being typical is bad but some of them are not fun.
It's a Korean mmorpg that has been published by other companies in korea, Russia, and japan. It's suppose to be pvp focus, but they have the usual dungeons for gears with a cap for dungeon entry. Fun... is sort of self define. But according 2nd hand information the population in game has died out in the three countries it was released in. Probably should expect it to be somewhat true, take it with a grain of salt type of thing. They decided to change somethings for its EA release but not everything. Things like the combat system. Though they consider it as a soft release and continue to work until it's full release. Full release is expected six month after EA release. Some time around January of next 2019. It shouldn't be expected to be a complete overhaul change like what Square Enix did to FFXIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by raserei
Currently what everyone is worry about is how they priced for the game. The game has received a bad reputation from its past. So charging $40/$70/$200 is making this a very skeptical choice to try the game. Especially it's a 2 day head start for an early access game and is available to purchase 2 days ahead of the game. The most skeptical items are the premium membership, an additional payment for additional service, which is said to be only to receive cosmetic items. The $200 apparently comes with a weird perk which is "Premium cust**** service" and people are clueless on what that means.
I was all set to play with a group of friends for at least a month.
But with how their announcement went and the pricing on stuff we've all just thrown that idea away.
I've convinced them to all come to MS2 instead, we all had fun in the beta.
I am looking forward into this game since it was released in Korea by Neowiz. But now errrQuote:
Originally Posted by GenoX
The reasons Bless failed in Russia were:
1. Game's weak optimization. Too many freezes, lags and fps drops. Sometimes unplayable.
2.101XP publisher ruined game's economy with game shop's items.
3. Lack of content for solo players or small guilds.
I haven't played Bless myself, but these are the top reasons people had quit playing it in Russia and CIS.
Considering developers made big? changes, it might be worth to try. But yeah, B2P+premium sounds like a next level of greediness.
The premium is pretty bad too.
Premium players are always going to be 20% ahead.Quote:
Premium mount skin (Black Wind Caligo)
Premium pet skin (Enchanting Loroshi)
Reduces NPC equipment repair fee by 30%
Reduces Wyvern usage fee by 50%
: Players can travel to any area within Bless by paying the Wyvern manager (located in each village/city) gold for Wyvern transportation.
Pickaxe: This premium pickaxe used for Gathering provides unlimited usage within the designated time period, whereas the regular pickaxe has an limited number of uses.
Gathering Bag: This premium bag used for Gathering provides unlimited usage within the designated time period, whereas the regular gathering bag has an limited number of uses.
Acquires 20% more hunting experience points
: Increased amount of experience points earned through hunting monsters.
Acquires 20% more Dungeon points
: Increased amount of dungeon points earned through playing dungeons.
Adds 20% hunting gold bonus
: Increased amount of gold earned through hunting monsters.
Allows 5 more items to be registered on the market
: Increased amount of items registerable on the market.
Reduces market tax by 10%
: Reduced market tax rate.
Increases daily activity point exchange amount by 20%
I feel the gold and dungeon point bonus(provided those points are for items, assuming so here) are the kicker. EXP is whatever, but having a hard-lined economical advantage like that is less than stellar. Also the bag/pickaxe sounds like gathering tools in GW2 where you have to replace them periodically unless you spend $x for ones with infinite durability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Darmon_The_9th
I am exciting on this since Neowiz released this game in KR 6 years ago. But after reading this comments hmmm
Had friends who played the "original" versions for this in both Russia and Korea. Was told to avoid like the plague, especially with the way the devs are handling all the criticisms behind the subscription service and all that.
https://youtu.be/r3Pe0yhUYn0
Well we have gameplay footage now. The game doesn't look too interesting. I never saw anything on customizing builds for your character. More like everything is laid out, and how you use your skills and stances makes you better than others. The character creation looks fun.
I don't like the standing still fighting, but I'm not against it. Feels like a nice and welcomed throw back. I wonder how PvP is going to work. Are potions gonna be a big thing?
Premiums I don't like, because more likely than not, you need them to have fun. Then you're committed to it.
If you start this game without premium, and like the game, you're now very far behind everyone else... Your party members may have prem and you don't, so they all level or do things easier and quicker, and leave you in the dust in a dungeon or ect (cuz they're level capped). Pretty much necessary to start with premium for the off chance you do love and enjoy this game, so you're not left behind...
Well hopefully you shouldn't fall behind too bad, + with it being mostly group content you should still be able to find a group and even make some acquaintances along the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Songz
The combat doesn't look very exciting. I don't know if it's the class he's playing in the video, but it looks so slow.
Well the good thing to know is that this is EA. So changes are coming soon, for better or for worse. What I don't like is how they selected the emissary. Some of them didn't even signed up and was selected. They even had some that only made animal videos...
It being EA is scary. You know the game will get shut down if it doesn't get the numbers they're expecting. Also, changes to payment system will defo change under greedy EA if they control the store, and not Neowiz.
MMORPG.com did an interview and got more information about the monetization. Not sure if it's a bias piece, but it does seem like an acceptable situation now: mmorpg.com/bless/interviews/exploring-monetization-with-neowiz-1000012742
Lol why is mmorpg.com links blocked? OnRPG isn't even a competitor anymore
Anyway, check this out: The store prices are up on steam:
https://store.steampowered.com/items...se/?filter=all
As a Canadian, I'll never buy premium. $50 for 90 days.
That's too much commitment. I can't drop $20 to test for 30 days. Especially since this is B2P.
interesting read. i dont know man, it seems borderline p2w to me even though they claim its not p2w xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Songz
i see they let you buy Inventory expansion tickets for real money, which worries me because i've quit a game before due to lack of inventory slots, i think it was the f2p version of everquest2 but i cant remember for sure anymore.
then theres this pay to not get ganked item lol. they havent stated the price of this item, but for real money you can disable pvp for 10 minutes. that seems kinda silly and soimething they could've just made into a toggle like WoW. its like they purposely programmed in chores and annoyances so they could ask money to bypass these. now in a f2p game this would be acceptable(even though i still wouldnt play the majority because of it), but b2p? i guess ill have to play for myself before i can get really get a good feel for it, but i dont trust it.
Kind of confuse with what songz meant by EA... I meant as in steams early access. Kind of sound like Electronic Art the company.
Either way the outcome can be similar. Both ways can be scary. Electronic Art is hardly recovering ever since battlefront 2.
Yeah I dislike the mix of two myself since EA always meant the dev team, but terms change I guess. Just gotta rely on context.Quote:
Originally Posted by GenoX
I will say BF5 sounds promising from a consumer treatment perspective, provided they aren't lying about "no dlc, no loot boxes"
Spose we'll see.
Welp game is available but it just literally exploded again. Not enough servers and because of it people get to play the login game in NA.
Well, looking at different streams and gameplay of various classes, the combat seems pretty slow paced and boring. Hopefully we'll see more stuff you can throw in between doing your combo rotation at higher levels, but so far it doesn't look very promising to me.
On top of the server issues it appears the game has machine translations going on, which really uh....spit son the whole 'hand crafted/fixed for the west" thing.
Like one guy posted an image of the level up pop up " You're now 5level"
Well that's early access. Don't know about the combat though. I never try to judge about that through another view. They just went down for emergency maintenance. Then I'm fine with either, action or tab. I played ffxiv and bdo.
Well that sort of thing doesn't really need to wait for the player beta to happen is the thing. Maybe some accidental typos and stuff sure, those can sneak past an editor//Q&A team but just shitty machine translations is always a big red flag that the effort was low in regards to localization.Quote:
Originally Posted by GenoX
Well that should be the expectation of any early access game. I've seen more barebone early access game on steam before. Hell 7 days to die, when I played initially were blocks graphics with tons of bugs. They are expecting to release an unfinished localization product for early access. That's why it's early access.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acreon
The voice acting are decent, but when they are inside buildings sounds weird because they some reason have echo. The combat is slightly awkward but it's workable. My initial impression of this game is it's decent, but it is riddle with problems from server overload.
Remember the full finished localization for the game isn't released till 6 months later.
Right, but the 7DtD team is a proper indie team that fits what EA was supposed to be but as time has gone on EA has become a range from teams like 7DtD who know what to do just lack the initial time and funds to go about traditionally, to stupid obvious cash grabs, and to lazy shit claiming to be earnest attempts that are just cash grabs.Quote:
Originally Posted by GenoX
Maybe there's some weird cultural gap that they don't get or understand that google can't really do a translator's job in full but I just can't believe a team as experienced and the size of Bless' would be that lacking in basic publishing knowledge.
Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see. But my skeptical optimism has been turned around pretty hard these last three or so weeks.
Well some good news, last night I finally got to the first dungeon and played smoothly for over 3 hours. Without as much lag the game core is not bad. I finally got a glimpse of how combat works in dungeon. First good thing about it is there is a dungeon finder but it's not cross server. They will need to fix this later. The second is as a tank at level 13 you only have 1 aggro skill... Basically killed stuff so fast that it didn't matter. Low level dungeons have no caps, only the end game dungeons do. The dungeon uses a bidding system for gears and roll for the highest. Next the combat essentially is tab target but at least it does not lock your character in place to use certain skills. It's still weird because you have to lift you hand up to use R,T, and Y to cycle through skills. I would suggest either macro these keys or bind them to something else. A weird bug I encounter is sometimes the skill will not make the character follow the enemy when they move. So you have to chase them a bit and reuse the skill.
Everything else become slightly better after the tutorial area which I am still sort of in even now. Have to see what endgame tanking and dungeon is like and how pvp works for guardian's.
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Originally Posted by GenoX
I'm confused when people complain about the translations. I've watched a couple of streams, and most of the entire beginning seems to be voice-acted, and it sounds good to me.
I imagine they all quit in the tutorial?
Everyone in my guild that bought this game refunded.
The disabling of the pseudo action controls killed it for most of them. Few people played JP and hyped that up as THE way to play. Shame.
It's problems here and there. Mostly minor things like "5Level" thing. The major problem people have is expectation. They expected the game would be a "finished" state. But they never said that and had slapped the early access on it. They didn't think this is a soft launch and instead thought it was a finished product. Outside of that there are bunch or minor problems. That leads to frustration and cause people to rage. The voicing is not 100% perfect. Don't know if they'll change it and if they survive for 6 month. That was the approx. time they said they'll be ready with minimum bugs. The good thing is there is no wipe unlike most alpha or beta. Any changes they make you keep the progress as they change or so they say.
So, there are a few things that I noticed that are making people refund this game, run as far as they can, and never look back:
The optimization and having to go through the .INI files to increased fps, camera zoom-out increase, etc. At level 45, there is absolutely no content. There are no battlegrounds, no arenas, PVP ranking system with its rewards does not exist, skill point acquisition is broken. Basel Canyon the main PVP map is 100% empty with no mobs, no royal quest, no honor quest, no daily dungeons. The two "end game" dungeons that we currently have drop the same gear score. USING THE DUNGEON FINDER DOES NOT TELEPORT YOU TO THE DUNGEON. IT ACTUALLY COST LUMINA TO TELEPORT TO YOUR TEAMMATES.
And then there were the server launch issues. There are people who managed to get into a populated server but their friends cannot play with them because of the over population, forcing a complete server, character, and faction lockout.
Lumina is not account wide. Neowiz said that this is a glitch that they are looking into because the Lumina is supposed to be account wide.
These issues are more than enough for people to just drop the game and get refunded.
HOWEVER, speculation is that the reason there is lack of content at 45 is because of the early release. It is also speculated that today, after the launch happens, everything that was missing will be implemented into the game. This is made to stop early release players to go crazy with their potentially overpowered gear because they had 48 hours to do whatever they wanted, and can cause havoc to the other factions that are leveling fresh after the early release. But we'll see how it goes.
A major problem came to light. People are duping items and made tons of gold because of it.
A fun bug last night happened. A quest where you summon demon and have to kill it upon summon. The problem is the summon dies on its own after standing there for about a minute. After the summon dies it does not update as the summoned demon as killed. So the quest will become stuck until you kill a demon. I stood there and waited for a guy to come and summon a demon. As soon as he summoned his demon I killed it. This cause the guy quest to become stuck on the quest completion. The guy stood there and was like wtf happened. He waited for the next guy to come and summon his quest demon and killed his demon almost instantly. I created a chain of bugged quest.
Also encounter a quest mob that spoked in Korean last night. So maybe fixes will come today.
this sums it up quite nicely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP4SMQoJ8ns
I wouldn't trust lazy peon for anything. He said bad things about BDO then went back and said oh he's wrong after bunch of youtuber did damage to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abhorsen
Below explains everything.
"Source: https://steamcommunity.com/games/681...64683467164625
Posted in the Name of Sungjin Ko, Executive Producer
"Greetings!
This is Sungjin Ko, Executive Producer.
The entire Bless Team and I would like to express our deepest gratitude to all the Founders for your support shown since our Advanced Access on May 28th.I would like to address the connection, login, and server crash issues from the large influx of players that some of you have been experiencing. First of all, we would like to sincerely apologize to everyone who participated our Head Start as Founders for the recent issues which resulted in long waits and many inconveniences.
The entire development team is committed to identifying and addressing the causes of current performance issues and we are doing our best to solve them as our TOP PRIORITY.
What we have been doing:
•We prepared three NA servers and two EU servers for our Advanced Access, but the number of players increased very rapidly and all three NA servers were maxed out in the first three hours of AA. While this was happening, it was difficult for us to add more servers as quickly as you expected and it led to the waiting queue. Now we have expanded to six NA servers and four EU servers.
•There was also a recurring client crash caused by using Player Duels in-game. We identified the cause and resolved it.
•The issue with the launcher loading stopping at 40% or being delayed is now fixed.
What about the many issues remaining? Here is what will be fixed with the (V1.0.0.3) update which is being applied today, May 30th.
•The issue with getting stuck on the “BLESS” loading screen issues has now been fixed. Authentication failure was identified as the issue between STEAM and BLESS servers when players attempted to log-in. We will closely monitor the situation after the patch.
•We experienced database I/O delay due to the large influx of players. This caused a lot of the lag you experienced with looting, quests, and other actions. With the urgent maintenance, we upgraded database system/storage to top-end models in order to solve I/O delay. This should improve the lag players see during crowded server times.
•For Early Access, we prepared an additional six NA servers and five EU servers that can be added instantly without maintenance. In addition, we reinforced our in-game logs to help identify the cause of server crash issues.
Again, I would like to sincerely apologize to all the players who experienced any inconveniences due to server problems or connection errors. We will be a development team that communicates with you.
We know that these issues are just a few of the things that need to be worked on with the Early Access of Bless Online. We chose the Early Access format on Steam because the development and release of content for Bless will be a many-layered process throughout the EA period. We understand that many players are disappointed that not all of the content they expected to be in at Early Access launch is there.
Along with the performance issues, our top priority is addressing the reported potential item duplication bug. Once we can replicate this issue and solve it, we will let all of our players know.
Most importantly, we know that there is end-game content missing that many of you expected in this first Early Access build, given what’s available in the other versions of the game. Additions like the 15v15 PVP and new high-level dungeons will be added in 1-2 weeks’ time, with more to come soon after.
Bless Online’s Early Access was always intended to be a growing experience, with systems and content being added in the weeks and months ahead; this is why we chose the Steam Early Access program. We are sincerely sorry that our players were led to believe otherwise, and we are happy to allow refunds for those who feel they cannot wait for the new content to arrive. We hope that you will return to the world of Bless when the features you expect are in the game and ready for your participation.
Sincerely,
Sungjin Ko, Executive Producer"
"
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bless/comme...ucer_on_bless/
The lack of any end game content seems very shady. Why wouldn't you disclose that you have absolutely no PVP in EA?
Duels apparently still crash the client too.
Ah man, we're OnRPGers, we've played a lot of betas in our lifetime. Never have I played a game in BETA as incomplete as this game. I wanted to support this company because of how hard they're working and hotfixing and patching, but honestly, just delay your release if your game is this broken.
Don't substitute EA for betas just to take peoples money. That's super shady and sets up a terrible relationship with your player base.
Also, hitting max level in 2 days shouldn't even be a thing. 20 hours to hit level 45 is absolutely terrible for a game with such minimal content.
Seems like all their time went into their several concurrent payment systems
From what I read, and what I think happen is that the steam version is a content and mechanic overhaul for the NA/EU version. Everything they do from the first day of founders and cash shop release seemed sketchy. I think people overhyped the game and expectancy of the game are way off. I think I remember posting way earlier in chaos post saying don't hype or expect too much because neowiz is the publisher.
I think that depends on what content you are looking for. Though, I think leveling is quite easy but they might have made some changes to dungeons because level 30 dungeon is not solo-able or that they skipped the level 30's content and focused on leveling to attempt to get to end game content. Either way I suggest to not buy the game if people are expecting this to be complete. But if you want to play and see as things comes out and change that's is worth it. In the end some will agree the core of the game is pretty fun. Just it's not complete or have the content of the other version published by other people.