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this may seem a bit a ******ed, but i need help please!!!!
I am in a debate club, and i have this survey i have to do, but everyone in my school just ignores me, so my last resort is to use DA INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'maniacal laughter'.........
anyways, the question is " Do you think torture should be justifed by the United States Policy as a way to combat terrorism? Why or why not?"
you dont have to answer or anything, but i would really like an answer
No.
That is against the Geneva Convention.
If not, correct me.
ok............
that was much more faster and shorter than i was thinking....
and yes you are right, it does go against the Geneva Convention
Ram is correct. Torture is inhumane, and is not acceptable in ANY circumstance. The ends do not justify the means in situations like this. If we torture terrorists, we are just sinking to their level.
No it does not Justify it, although it has benn proven to be useful. :D
Yes, as long as you are sure your not torturing an innocent. I don't see ANY reason to give terrorist the same rights we have. They want you ****ing dead, you act like they are your best pals or something.
Then we should torture the torture-ees and we, intern, would be tortured by even more people.
A never ending circle of torture.
Lol who are we to judge people? Everyone should be given at least the basic human rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobosexual
Based on what you have just said:Quote:
Originally Posted by hobosexual
George Bush should, nay MUST, be tortured because he commited war crimes.
You've gotta be joking to think USA is the only country that does it.... you've gotta be ****ing joking yourselves.
Heh, These terrorists don't care about other people's basic right... to live, when they go around strapping on explosives or beheading people for attention and much much more.
FOR TERRORIST ONLY and only if they know for sure that detainee has a connection with Al-Qaeda, not if they assume he has a connection, hell ya I think they should be able to torture. I dont think they should be all sick about it and like cut off limbs or something but, I'm sure they have some pretty good methods by now.
America is a terrorist nation.
Everyone's got a gun, causes TERROR. The take all WMDs off other countries making them the most powerful, and if another country annoys them, they got bombed which causes TERROR. Not to mention bombing Iraq, which happened during night and people were shitting themselves left and right, which caused TERROR.
These are just examples though.
Where do you live, Ramstien?
Stop trying to change the topic.
Plain and simply, no. It's wrong.
Not only is it simply ILLEGAL on so many levels, it is morally wrong.
If we start to torture, we become what we are fighting.
If you want to beat an enameny you need to be BETTER then them, and in more then just fighting.
Yes, other countrys have tortured. Lets list them.
Iraq
Germany(when Hitler was in power)
China
Egypt
Indonesia
Iran
Israel
Malaysia
Morocco
Nepal
North Korea
****stan
Russia
Syria
Turkey
Uganda
Uzbekistan
Thats really a wounderful list to be on. Look at all of our buddies!
We got Iraq, Iran Israel out from the middle east.
North Korea with the crazy dude that puts a nuke above feeding his people.
China and Russia simple don't take care of thier people either.
Really, go down the list, and they are all third world countrys with HORRIBLE living conditions. Most are ruled by dictators.
Are these the guys that you want to be associated with? China? North Korea?
And you know what the worst part of all this torture bullshit?
First, you do not get to go to court. They capture you and think you are "the one", you're screwed.
About 15%-20% of those captured and tortured are innocent.
Over 250 people have already died due to US torture.
With 15% of people being innocent, that means that about 38 people have died due to torture so far that did NOTHING.
And don't give me any of that "Well, there are going to be mistakes me" bullshit!
These are innocent lives we are talking about that were tortured and killed! INNOCENT LIVES! They did nothing to deserve this.
I bet my life that if each and every one of you were captured and tortured just like every other innocent person, you too would be against this.
But you know what? YOu live in your "safe" little home where you don't need to worry about the out-side world.
Kill random innocents? Sure! It won't happen to me because I'm an america nand I am safe from that, so go ahead!
Wake up and smell the death.
In our past, only the very disturbed and evil people have used torture.
So if we start using torture, what does that make us?
Who are we associated to now?
We are becoming that evil that we are trying to fight, and this change of america will not end well at all.
broken link.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramstien
No one said we should torture innocent people. But I dare you to give me just ONE reason why a terrorist should not be tortured if it could help save american lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by FabianN
Oh, but we do.Quote:
No one said we should torture innocent people.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...p-352531c.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/extraor...s20051206.html
NO ONE SAID WE DIDN'T.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenonight2
I know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobosexual
But the fact that we shouldn't do it doesn't dissuade our government from doing it anyway.
It is illegal.
It is morally wrong.
It gives the terrorist group more anger, giving them more "power", putting more americans in danger.
It turns us into the evil we are fighting.
Think about it this way. Is torture really going to solve anything? If the person was innocent, then they wouldn't know anything, so does that man/woman deserve to get tortured, and sometimes die during it?
Would you ever like to torture another human being, no matter what they did. Would you?
Torture is the dumbest way to solve anything; innocent people are killed, it's wrong morally, and people don't seem to care. I bet everyone of you guys would be against torturing someone if you knew what it felt like having your skin burned/cut off/skinned. Torture is the most disgusting thing that could happen. I personally don't really care if the person deserves it, it's just wrong.
Because torture has been proven beyond any doubt to be an extremely unreliable way of getting confessions? They might as well just line all prisoners up against a wall and shoot them, its just as productive.
And if Bush has screwed the constitution, as you put it, what makes the US so great and worth defending now anyway? Rights and freedoms are what make America a democracy, not a dictatorship like the former USSR. They're more important than you obviously think.
Who said the US was great. WE defend it because its natural for someone to defend their home. Besides violating the constitution does not make us a dictatorship, taking away our rights and freedom does. Torture invades privacy one right that bush already violated with the phone tapping
The constitution is what give americans their rights and freedoms. If the constitution is ignored, Americans no longer have rights and freedoms.
Edit: Americans say the US is great. Your national anthem says that America is the land of the free.
You've seen what terrorists do; they are willing to die for their country. Chances are, if they are willing to do that, it isn't likely that they'll be giving out info that easily. Now, are you saying that the terrorist should die in a non-human way? If he deserves to die, then shoot him I say. But torturing?
Go ahead. You're going to have to spell check it a bit. Did quite a few typos and fat-*********, so make sure you go over it with your eye, and not just a spellchecker.Quote:
Originally Posted by SURVIVALsp1
Yes, yes we should treat him like everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karthago Romani
Like everyone else, if he had been captured, he would have gone to court and charged with his crimes. His punishments would then be decided and carried out.
First, you don't need to confess to a crime to be charged guilty of the crime. There just needs to be enough evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by k3v1n
Your secound logic is just pathetic.
First, to start with, before Bush the constitution was followed fairly well. There still were problems, but no where near this bad.
Secound, if no one does anything it will simply continue as it is.
Doing nothing will get you nothing.
And I am a American, born and breed, and I am proud of my country.
I AM NOT, how ever, proud of my goverment.