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Ok, like we discussed MANY MANY and TOO MANY times in this forum about this issue but everytime, it either ends up with super immature flame war or super hardcore 1337 FabianN style. It clearly shows how the population around the forum is......
Does an omnipresent being exist? Did this being created the everything and have absolute power?
PLEASE BE SMART AND CONVINCING. Exclude all faith please. We're not trying to prove. Try to convince.
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Does it matter?
Ultimately proving a god's existence is impossible. Also, please specify what you mean with "god" there are very many definitions of that word.
Remember during this discussion that faith is not about evidence. Faith relies on belief and you are allowed to believe whatever you want to. However, personally I consider religious people to be nuts as there is no reason to believe in such bullcrap.
Personally I'm agnostic/atheistic. I say that there is no way to prove or know of a god's existence and at the same time I don't believe in them. Especially not the Abrahamic religions, I deny the existence of the gods they describe.
why do we even bother arguing about these things, i only see hatred... but bah, thats just me... we just gotta accept other people
Yes, but it sounds even more ridiculous when compared to other religions to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuxey
The general issue thats being presented is not whether you believe in god, but does god exist. I think it'd be highly appropriate if you were to stay On Topic (oh the horrors!).
The reason I feel that God does not exist is rather complicated but I will try to simplify it down to make it easier to comprehend. If God were to exist, judging by his (and I am assuming those who believe think that it is a male) omnipotence, he would not have the same psychological difficulties that humans have. He seems almost bipolar, esp from the Old Testament to the New Testament; in the old one, god is evil and teaches people lessons to make the social and moral ethics to be lived by for countless generations, while the New Testament god is kind and forgiving, and seems to go back on all of his previous Old Testament teachings saying that you will be forgiven even if you break all of his commandments and commit "sin."
As Friedrich Nietzsche once said, "God is dead." We as man created god to lead a moral life so that the ethics of the human race were collected into one set of beliefs. As the human race began to ground themselves on those beliefs, people became aware that they were outdated. We created God to control people, and we destroyed God as a symbolic moment in our lifetime to show that we have morals and we now seek new and different forms of faith. We are intelligent and we killed God to improve the human race and bring it to modernity.
In buddishm thats. You will have to go threw all the pain of life. Death of loved ones,natural disasters and such. No i dont believe in anything but scienceXD, I'm athiestQuote:
Originally Posted by Snuffles
sorry, I was going to rewrite it and then just decided to scrap the whole thing. Not that my reasoning was flawed, because I think organized religion sucks, but I just realized that it sounded like I was being a dick.
Anyways, I think that, for me, believing in the divinity of nature makes far more sense than believing in god(s). I have never seen god, or any sign of a god's existence, but I've seen plenty of beauty and wonder in nature.
Also, the natural world is what we truly depend on for life and happiness imo. Imagine life in a barren wasteland, you couldn't possibly be happy, and yoiu wouldn't live long either. I think that belief in god/gods developed as a way to try to get away from the land as much as possible.
I'm not suggesting that we need to go all the way back to basics, but that we need, like the Romantic poets advocated, to get more in touch with nature, allow ourselves to be touched by it, and draw inspiration from it on how to live our lives. It is the only thing we have, and we're ruining it every day.
Sure, I believe in the Big Invisible Dude in the Sky who tells us Little Dudes on the Earth how to live our lives, and that the Big Dude sent His Little Son to die for us Little Dudes and that if we believe that His Little Son is really just a part of the Big Triangle in the Sky then we get to go to the Big Party House in the Sky.
To be more specific, I'm a Christian.
I think there is a God where could everything have come from. Look at the Universe how diverse and big it is where could it come from? Just confusing
Do you cut science classes are something? It came from something called the" Big Bang"Quote:
Originally Posted by xXTraitorXx
The theory is that everything in the universe came from something the size of a pea huh?
...What? I'm confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Icy
i really hope you mean: 0 1 2 3 4 5 etc... or else im screwed, and so is my math teacher ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pan
Nothing existed until we found out it did.
And no, I didn't steal that from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. Stop spreading your lies.
When will people learn that you can't get everything from nothing. Universe didn't just pop out of nowhere one day. It was created, be it god creating universe all at once or god creating the big bang, it was god.
I believe that the universe was always here. How do we know it was "created"?
Slightly contradicting there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Attila
If you can't get everything from nothing then how did you get 'god' in the first place?
Then you run into the problem of where did god come from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Attila
The universe could just be a constant thing that has no beginning or end, and just resets it self once in a while through expansion and contraction or something like that.
Basically, on the God's side. People can't picture that everything just pop out of nowhere and that everything has to be controlled one way or another. For them, nature does not really exist but it was coordinated by the almighty omnipresent being. Since his power is limitless, so he can do that. Therefore, in their logic, EVERYTHING and ANYTHING needs a creator except the creator itself.
On the other hand, those who doesn't believe in such a being believes it's possible for something to just pop out of nowhere and somehow, the univers was born, somehow stars were born and somehow, we, out of all beings, were born with two arms, two legs and two eyes.
Any wrong part on that?
None of us exists either. We are all no better than a dream.
Again, the St. Thomas Aquinas argument fails. The universe need never have been created in the first place. It might always have been there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Icy
It might? Both arguments fail because neither can be proven as of now. Though given the fact that EVERYTHING in this world has a beginning and end, I'd put my money on there having been a beginning to the universe. If you bring up the idea that the universe probably just resets itself, there had to be something that set that in motion as well. Though I'm still not too keen on the idea of there having been a creator of sorts.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowsworn
The thing about proving god's existence is impossible because if there is a god he is "otherworldly" thus he doesn't necessarily have to have a beginning himself.
They simply know nothing of their religion. Christianity doesn't need faith as a crutch in an argument any more than any other, including science. Unfortunately, most people think it's enough to simply believe in a God in order to call themselves a Christian, and thus allow the philosophy, theology, and purpose to fly right over their heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowsworn
Since I don't want to discuss this with a non-believer, I'll just say that there is "god" in the dictionary, while "magic bicycle" is nowhere to be found.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
How about "Unicorn"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Attila
Great to hear, that you are already exclusive with the people you talk too. Hard to find people who openly admit, that talking to them is a waste of time. I hope you arent serious.
Well sir, for such a smart man, you sure are ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
I tried to prove my point, now you try to prove your "universe just appeared" theory.
My brain is starting to hurt. Where could god come from or the little exploding pea. It just confusing.