Would you belive something that hasn't been proven to exist!?

I belive in god heaven hell ect because if there was no God where did color come from and living organisms. Where did orgasms come from? A tiny explosion in the middle of knowhere could not have created a cell and than bacteria without the help of a God. Pope John Paul #2 even said that beliving in a God and evolution at the same time was ok. With the complexity of the body I do not belive it came out of a random explosion and than evoled to us without the help of God. Many people think the bible is literal but the number 7 was used in the bible alot and it means over a long period of time. There is evidence all over you just have to be open minded. Ok im done with my rambling on.

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Originally Posted by oOProphecyOo

The Bible itself is made up of Folktales from past civilizations if you don't believe me theres an explanation here

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Folktales? Really? Is that why we have over 20,000 manuscripts of the New Testament alone in more languages than you can imagine, all 99.5% accurate to each other from the oldest to the newest? Is that why the earliest of those manuscripts is from the 2nd century, far from long enough for legend to creep in and destroy the accuracy of the text? Is that why the first 4 books of the Bible are eye-witness testimonies, one of which was written by a man who is considered by the literary community to be on par with the greatest of ancient writers and historians because of his thoroughness and information provided? Is that why Christ and the early church are mentioned by both Josephus and Tacitus, both ancient historians who are highly renowned for being the greatest historians of their respective times?

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Originally Posted by xXTraitorXx

I belive in god heaven hell ect because if there was no God where did color come from and living organisms. Where did orgasms come from? A tiny explosion in the middle of knowhere could not have created a cell and than bacteria without the help of a God. Pope John Paul #2 even said that beliving in a God and evolution at the same time was ok. With the complexity of the body I do not belive it came out of a random explosion and than evoled to us without the help of God. Many people think the bible is literal but the number 7 was used in the bible alot and it means over a long period of time. There is evidence all over you just have to be open minded. Ok im done with my rambling on.

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but people who believe in evolution without the influence of god would say that only the most perfectly adapted organisms survive so millions of years of evolution would therefore produce the most perfect of perfectly adapted organisms which results in the intricate organisms known as people.

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Originally Posted by Deimos

but people who believe in evolution without the influence of god would say that only the most perfectly adapted organisms survive so millions of years of evolution would therefore produce the most perfect of perfectly adapted organisms which results in the intricate organisms known as people.

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How does a bacteria evolve into a human without any help at all it makes no sense

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Originally Posted by Manic

Folktales? Really? Is that why we have over 20,000 manuscripts of the New Testament alone in more languages than you can imagine, all 99.5% accurate to each other from the oldest to the newest? Is that why the earliest of those manuscripts is from the 2nd century, far from long enough for legend to creep in and destroy the accuracy of the text? Is that why the first 4 books of the Bible are eye-witness testimonies, one of which was written by a man who is considered by the literary community to be on par with the greatest of ancient writers and historians because of his thoroughness and information provided? Is that why Christ and the early church are mentioned by both Josephus and Tacitus, both ancient historians who are highly renowned for being the greatest historians of their respective times?

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Do you know that for sure?

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Originally Posted by Deimos

well in laymans terms theres like one type of bacteria.

then it splits in two cos thats who bacteria grow ( i think, mitosis right lol?)

one of those, through chance, has a slight mutation... it cant absorb protein. the other , through chance, also mutates after the split, it absorbs protein at a faster rate.

therefore bacteria 1 will be less succesfful at reproducing than bacteria two. so eventually the dna from bacteria 1 will die out and bacteria 2 will carry on to be dominant.

then they carry on growing and eventually one of the bacteriums, whilst splitting, accidentally has two of thse nucleus things and evolves into a double cell organism instead of a one cell organism. again this is a mutation but its through chance. since it is larger it survives better and reproduces more than the single celled dudes.

and then it carries on like that. the best adapted survives and reproduces in greater quantities until you end up with people.


thats why some people say that the human race has stopped evolving, because today people are kept alive through medicine when they would have died in nature. invalids and disabled people reproduce, heart attack patients live into old age, hereditary terminal cancer patients live long enough to reproduce, so its no longer survival of the best adapted. so no more evolution. but thats a moral and philosophical minefield.

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I know how fast bacteria change but the thing is they have never changed into a complete new thing and it conjugation when bacteria reproduce

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Originally Posted by xXTraitorXx

I know how fast bacteria change but the thing is they have never changed into a complete new thing

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Nobody said they did. They only changed into something slightly different repeatedly.

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Originally Posted by Ithian

Plenty of people have died and come back

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WHAT? WHO?

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Originally Posted by xXTraitorXx

I know how fast bacteria change but the thing is they have never changed into a complete new thing and it conjugation when bacteria reproduce

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thanks dude, been a while since i had a biology lesson. my terminology is in the toilet.

ok well certain types of bacteria found that they could exist easier by being viruses and not bacteria.

they instead evolved ways of living off other organisms, so whilst all the little bacteria were turning into lizards and shit the other oldschool baceria who didnt go along the same evolutionary paths turned into virii and started ****** the ohter organisms

you see when shit evolves theres more than one evolutionary path. sometimes both paths turn out to be great and both things survive. sometimes one path proves to be epic and you get tons of the critters whilst the other path preoves to be an evolutionary dead end and that sucker becomes extinct.

so yeah thats how it works. kind of.

daroth read the news every now and then =] Theres been plenty of people who have been medically "dead" and yet come back. there was one woman who came back at a funeral and her daughter died of fright/ heart attack when she saw it. Thats probably the most ironic one but yeah theres tons of them

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Originally Posted by Bacn

Nobody said they did. They only changed into something slightly different repeatedly.

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There is no evidence of that becoming something completely new tho whats it called when stuff makes small changes it not evolution but what is it?

Oh well I still don't believe in this so called God, anyway.
Scientific Facts win! (except for ghost, they do exist you turds)

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Originally Posted by Deimos

thanks dude, been a while since i had a biology lesson. my terminology is in the toilet.

ok well certain types of bacteria found that they could exist easier by being viruses and not bacteria.

they instead evolved ways of living off other organisms, so whilst all the little bacteria were turning into lizards and shit the other oldschool baceria who didnt go along the same evolutionary paths turned into virii and started ****** the ohter organisms

you see when shit evolves theres more than one evolutionary path. sometimes both paths turn out to be great and both things survive. sometimes one path proves to be epic and you get tons of the critters whilst the other path preoves to be an evolutionary dead end and that sucker becomes extinct.

so yeah thats how it works. kind of.

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Viruses are not alive. I also watched movies and movies on evolution I have studied many things I go to a private school so we can study religions. I did that and I picked the most likely thing to believe .

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Originally Posted by daroth

Oh well I still don't believe in this so called God, anyway.
Scientific Facts win! (except for ghost, they do exist you turds)

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So you believe in ghost but not a God ghosts are spiritual beings.

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Originally Posted by Deimos

viruses are alive the same way plants are alive

and i was only using that as an example to explain evolution to you

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im 99% sure biologists haven't made up their mind about viruses being living things or not, yet. They have DNA, but not much else.

I believe in Jesse Nunez.

I believe in Pokemons.

As far as God is concerned, nobody is sure, which is precisely why agnosticism is the most logical choice.

If there is no convincing argument for something to be true, I won't believe it's true. If there's no convincing argument against it being true, I won't believe that. "God" is the rare exception where I honestly sit on the fence and laugh at people warring with each other, when neither has any debate-ending facts.

This thread is funny and offtopic. Topic is only asking you whether you would believe something that hasn't been proven to exist and you guys turned it into a God vs No god. Then.... It turned into an evolutionary debate. Whats next? Whether we should close down this forum or not?

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Originally Posted by Glitch0r

Does believing in something make it exist ?

If you can't proof the existence of something does that mean it it does not exist ?

Please don't flame.

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Thats what i asked my friend once.

"Prove if i exist."

*slap*.

*echoing girly scream*

If there is no proof it doesn't exist.

I believe in belief.

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Originally Posted by TheJESTERJ

I believe in belief.

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sage words.

sage.

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ok well certain types of bacteria found that they could exist easier by being viruses and not bacteria.

they instead evolved ways of living off other organisms, so whilst all the little bacteria were turning into lizards and shit the other oldschool baceria who didnt go along the same evolutionary paths turned into virii and started ****** the ohter organisms

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How do you go from a living organism that reproduces on its own to a non-living organism that doesnt reproduce on its own? far fetched to me. little mroe than "evolution" there. dont tell me it evolved liek that. How do you evolve to being dead outside host?

Scientist say that life started with monomers making polymers and such, creating rna/dna strands,(which confuses me on how that creates genes) dont remember the details, need to get bio notes out for that.

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im 99% sure biologists haven't made up their mind about viruses being living things or not, yet. They have DNA, but not much else.

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To be classified living you must be able to reproduce on your own, look it up. IF they say its living that proves scientist don't no what their talking about and contradict their own rules. Standards for deciding if something is living or not should not change.

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Originally Posted by XxDigitelRepearxX

it depends, i dont belive in stupid things like UFOs,Magic,Witches, elves and fairies ... but i do belive in heaven, hell, god, and good and evil ...

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Don't you dare say magic is stupid :[

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Originally Posted by hksmrchan

Don't you dare say magic is stupid :[

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Agreed D:<

Depends on somethings. I don't believe in God though.