Gas at $4.44, regular.

Radu the thing that is funny, is your statement isn't true. Most people I know, their cars average about 20-23 miles to the gallon, not 15. Secondly the US has known for a while that they have a problem with the amount of gas they spend and has been changing. Which is why car companies are being forced to make more fuel efficient cars, and why many people are opting to buy these as well.
LOL Your comment about America splitting the news isn't that accurate either. You should be more specific, local news splits the type of news, however more global news like CNN, or Fox News Channel talks in more global topics. However in the last few months, the main focus has been on the Democratic Pre Elections, Polygamist Sects, and of course the China Earthquake and Myanmar's government/health problems. Please note that while EU channels like BCC tend to focus on many countries, those countries are very small and effect the people in each EU country much more than they do the US.
When a controversy in some EU country takes place, it is slightly noted in the US media because to the US people it doesn't have much effect. However the effects can be much more dire to those in the EU. As well it is not that America is ignorant, as much as the public has seen themselves as being the center of the world. While this is changing much of it is still true, the media industry, and technology industry are still largely situated in the US. Markets have rather left but overall the US still sees it self to be strong. (However this is quickly changing in the eyes of the public).
Lastly demand and supply do not effect each other directly. Thats a basic rule of economics, the basic idea is the more being produced the higher price a company will sell it for. As well the lower they produce the lower the price they will sell it for.

Last note: Current average mpg of the US is 19.8.

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Lastly demand and supply do not effect each other directly. Thats a basic rule of economics, the basic idea is the more being produced the higher price a company will sell it for. As well the lower they produce the lower the price they will sell it for.

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Say what?? The more they produce more expensive it becomes?? There goes 2000 years of economics down the drain... Prices have become higher for several reasons:

- Speculation
- Less oil in each well - that means that refineries need to use crude with higher sulfur content, which means they will have lower quality crude to work with and spend more energy refining it
- Demand from countries that are in a developing boost (China and India, mainly)

It's like cereals prices. Since lots of producers are selling their crops to make ethanol instead of being used as food, prices have increased dramatically (supply/demand)

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As well it is not that America is ignorant, as much as the public has seen themselves as being the center of the world. While this is changing much of it is still true, the media industry, and technology industry are still largely situated in the US. Markets have rather left but overall the US still sees it self to be strong. (However this is quickly changing in the eyes of the public).

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I am getting tired of this;
The only reason why the US is so much heard of is because it's so god damn noisy.

The state of the nation...

Is that what should concern us?

States of nations? Where they are and where they should be?
Get real peeps, we are all doing great at sinking the boat we all sit in without making up another reason for hurt pride and dreaming up the future as some replica of some past. People need to stop being so ****ing nazionalistic...

Oil isn't cheap any more and it affects lives, soon it will be jobs, or peace once again;
That's bad and maybe we where wasting away some part of our luxurious chances with a more excessive un-reflected lifestyle.

Lets face it; as soon as the current major reserves are gone (I'll be over 70 than), there will still be oil, but it will cost us 5 times as much as now easily.
There is still plenty of time and even if the US continues to be one hell of a screw up and being proud of it, who minds...
We will toss the US the saving anchor in time, as they would to us.
Something superior will come and replace oil; The first combustion engines where built 150 years ago, where do people take the idea from, that they are to last into eternity. Either Oil is going to be replaced with another liquid fuel (my bet goes on that), or something else will overtake completely.

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That's a mature comment, isn't it? and if you're going to talk about using a correct english perhaps you should see what you write... First of all it isn't an insult, it's the truth and if you find it offensive then you should grow up before putting any comment at all. I can understand that you have a limited knowledge about what goes around in the world, after all most of the american TV news splits our planet between US and the rest (yes, I do watch CNN from time to time)...

About the prices going up: if the demand is higher than what the oil producers can offer then the crude prices rises and they will continue to rise (I expect the oil barrel to hit $200 in the end of 2008).



In the first Kyoto meeting (I can't remember when that was), U.S. alone polluted more than the sum of a lot of countries and now I bet that if you add up the pollution that comes from all american plants, cars, ect and compare to the sum of the same sources of all european countries, the outcome will be that US pollutes more. I'm not saying US is the cause of all that goes wrong, what I'm saying is that it's unethical, not to mention irresponsible for a country so "civilized" as the US to have such a stance concerning all aspects that affect our planet.



Actually the most advanced country in clean/alternative energies are the Nordic countries (fuel cells, H2, etc). Last month I went to a catalysis conference in Poland (Catalysis for Society) and a few americans talked about the clean energies that they were researching and, even though there is a big investment in the area, they are behind when compared to most of the other countries in a lot of ways (I do hope that it won't stay that way).
As long as there are big lobbies ruling the governments Oil will be the main energy source, prices will continue to rise and they will continue to profit. Simple as that (perhaps I shouldn't complain that much because they do pay my salary in the end of the month, since I work in a chemical company. But that doesn't mean I should shut my eyes to what is going on around me).

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where are you from? If your not from the USA, then you just pretty much hate the USA, and nothing i say will ever do anything to you.

yes the US, pollutes alot, but im safer in the USA than in any other country and thats all i need.

You are correct I had made a mistake in what I wrote. I had simply meant that supply and demands variables do not effect each other. Meaning what effects demand does not effect supply. Secondly I am surprised you do not state a blatant mistake you had said which you based most of your post on, which was MPG in the US being 10-15MPG, which it is not and yet you stated, "it isn't an insult, it's the truth" which it isn't.
Demand is a relationship of price and quantity demanded, suppl is the relationship between price and quantity demanded. If the $ of a quantity of corn increases than that effects the demand side of S&D and not the supply side. It will however effect the equilibrium which can change the point at which the supply side will sell/produce.
As well Oil/Fossil fuels will never disappear, we will never run out of them. While that may sound hard to believe it is true, as the demand increases the price will also go up. This will result after a while of the fossil fuels to be to expensive for the general population to purchase. At this time the demand would greatly decrease to where it is at equilibrium with supply and will continue to change. In other words as we use more and more of it, and have less and less the price will increase at such a rate that the demand will not exceed the total amount on the planet. However if you are simply talking about reserves, then yes those will go away but should be replenished through refilling it.

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where are you from?

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Does the location under my avatar gives you any clue???

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Does the location under my avatar gives you any clue???

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i dont look at that, people usually put something stupid there.

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yes the US, pollutes alot, but im safer in the USA than in any other country and thats all i need.

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Lol, this is getting better any second...
They must really be putting something into your water over where you live.

Don't worry, you are getting even safer now, car accidents are likely to decline.

At the whole "my dads car is the awesomest": It's all good, now go play some toy cars or something...

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Lol, this is getting better any second...

They must really put something into your water over there.

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and what do you mean?

He is confused for the same reason I am probably. You originally said that US sucks, their cars get only 10-15 MPG, now you are stating yeah they get an average of 20MPG. (And you said actually, which usually means you are stating something correctly that I had stated incorrectly, which I was the one who said the average is 20MPG). That is where I am confused about your stance or anything. Just because it takes millions of years to produce doesn't meant we are going to use all of the oil that currently exists in the planet. My point was, that as we have less and less to use it will become more and more expensive until most people cannot afford it or most people no longer need it. I guess my only question to you Marine, is what about that something like 1/3 of our current icebergs are melting at a very fast rate.

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Opinion on global warming is far from a consensus, and there are many scientists who still think it's all danger-mongering political fueled bullshit

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Can you be less vague, please?

Which politician is using global warming for which specifiable reason?

Which scientists do think that there is no human influence to the climax?

(That's like religion, btw.: Seeing people coming up with the tools, to predict the fall of a stone, all you hear is, "no! it's all a mystery..."
There is no Global Climatic Model, that does not take greenhouse-gases into account and there has never been one, even before the idea of climate change came up popularly; The problematic is so substantial and evident, that Arrhenius, when he found out about the greenhouse effect around 1900, already stated, that the human pollution will most likely once influence the climax. [Having no historical reliable records and data, doing nothing but extrapolating the theory itself.])

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Carbon is a molecule not a atom...

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I knew I should have quited being a Chemical Engineer... Carbon is a molecule... I suppose Hydrogen, Helium and all the elements in the periodic table are molecules as well...

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Just because it takes millions of years to produce doesn't meant we are going to use all of the oil that currently exists in the planet. My point was, that as we have less and less to use it will become more and more expensive until most people cannot afford it or most people no longer need it.

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Of course we won't... we've consumed almost all the crude that exists in less than 100 years, a raw material that took millions of years to be produced, why the hell would I think we will reach a point that it will end???

About reaching a point where most people no longer need it, can you give me an idea how that will happen? Cars with mini-nuclear power plants as engine? H2 (99% of the universe is composed by Hydrogen but to make H2 is not easy and involves reactions with acids or electrolisys, which are hazardous or not very efficient)? We can use the sun or eolic generators to produce electricity and use it to move cars but the cars aren't very developed yet (for me this is the most viable solution in the short term)

ok first of all whoever says we are running out of oil is definitely correct....

or is correct in a sense that coexists with our laws......


but really we can still dig for oil in lots of places it's just the laws prohibits it in some areas.....

another problem is countries like china are starting to become more industrialized and the citizens are wanting to buy vehicles.....

take in both of those and you end up with an oil crisis in another 1-2 years....


most of south America actually runs on another fuel source which is made from a certain plants that covers enough of the land that they have no worries for a long long time...

America was trying to use corn as a fuel source but it almost cost's as much to make for that same amount of energy produced......

there are people out there called survivalist who think in a couple of years prices will soar for even food and other products and possible clearing of some causing lots of people to become violent.....

not saying I believe that but I do see a time where we will have to go back to producing and buying less products........before the 1950's times were a lot different and things we take granted today they either never had or used sparingly.....

we humans think we couldn't survive with a lot of the things we rely on today, but I believe we can do away with most of the things we have ( even though it would be hard to throw away my computer ) .

.......times have changed are population is still rising dramatically and we produce and buy more now.....there is no doubt we will have to make sacrifices, but I know we will find ways past this ( the few smart monkeys from the barrel will figure a way out)




.....we always have outer space to look forward too.......we just have to find a way to teleport or be able to break the speed of light ( which right now requires you to become nearly mass less....like a electron......in order to even travel at the speed of light) and yet it will still take more than a lifetime at that speed to find another planet for sustainable life.


mars here we come for terraforming......

I am sorry, my view on us never running out of fossil fuels exists with my views on how supply and demand will effect us in the long run. Well there are several ways, first let us note that in the short run it is hard for us to change, cannot easily buy new cars, or move closer to work. However in the midrun (like we currently are in) we can start to decrease our fossil fuel (oil is all I am talking about) usage. This has been done, with increased public transportation usage, people moving closer to work, buying more fuel efficient cars, and people driving out to do errands less. We can continue that by moving our need for oil away even through production lines. I am not saying we currently have a way of doing this, but the point is, that in the long run we can attempt to move away from them. Currently there are cars that don't use any gasoline except to start the car for 30 miles and than they need to recharge the battery. As well there are certain cars coming out that are said to get 100MPG (Of course that is because they expect you to charge your car every X miles.)
Of course many will disagree with these views but it is possible for us to never run out based on some supply and demand scales, as well as people just simply disagreeing. But hay I believe the logic of a economics professor with a PhD than my own understanding of it. I doubt we will run out of gas in 2 years, we have emergency areas we can tap around the N. Pole, which I am sure governments would use if we were forced into that position.
As to S. America, you are correct, Brazil is completely non dependent on oil for its cars. It creates all its own ethanol.

Within 50-150 years, there will no more fossil fuels be used for any application that it's mainly used for now.

yah I wish now I lived in S. America for at least for not having to worry about fuel.....

but really....in a couple of years we will producing much less oil......if we still have the same laws in place.....we rely so much on foreign oil it is sickening...it's the only reason we have this stupid war that cost trillion of dollars......

we also need to stop china from turning into "us" Americans.....or we will really be without out oil soon...

what I am saying is the oil problem will affect America big....we are already having many problems that this government full of gorillas can't even run correctly ........heck I haven't checked the website in a while but I believe we may hit the 10 trillion debt mark if we haven't hit it already......which is 30k+ ( when at he 9.3 trillion mark) to each American, counting babies too, for being able to pay the debt.

most of my thoughts, other than this, are stated in my post on the page before, but I believe that we could have been led away from becoming oil reliant much earlier if other companies trying to bring a new fuel source in weren't being bribed or eaten up by the greedy oil companies.......lots of things go on behind our backs that we have no idea of but deserve the information......


I am at $4.25 ( last I checked which was week ago so it could have risen) a gallon on a 18 MPG 98 jeep Cherokee classic and I hate how much I am paying, but I only use it for work and school now.......if I go out with friend's we all take one vehicle and we pitch in for fuel....

@ Ronin

Yeah, I apologize. Specifically, I was referring to things I read here. There are others as well, but for the most part you have to buy their books.

I'm afraid that, at this moment I do not have anything on hand as for the political side of things (I'll have to do some digging when I have time), so for now, forget about that part of my post.

No matter what was said here (and I do think it has been a nice discussion, with different points of view that I can consider wrong of wright) I think this picture expresses the state of mind of all of us:


http://rcamilo.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/image001.jpg

Next thing you'll know its over $10

My personal contribution to America...





http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7...peace9rnx7.jpg





Never spending a single CENT on gas money. You're all welcome.


Edit: Single speed GT Peace9R by the way. Yes, 29 inch wheels. Yes, single speed. YES, the rasta frame (couldn't find a single speed with the rasta frame, lawdy I hope they do it that way)...it will be mine by the end of this summer. You watch.

Sierra Leonne = $18 US per gallon.

Don't complain when they have it much worse. I say you get a more efficient car, or learn to ride a bike.

Lol I can't wait for gas to be $40 a gallon. That's going to be hillarious.

DUDE IT COSTS ME $1,500 TO FILL UP EVERY WEEK. THIS FREAKIN SUCKS.

Lol soon enough people will, instead of going home every night from their job, get a room in a local hotel because it's cheaper.

Capitalism at it's best, except we're on the wrong side of it. Way to Go Mid East. +1. Where are the Ottomans when you need them?

Gas prices aren't even half the problem with America. Look what they're doing to food prices because of that ethanol bullshit.