War was vastly over-hyped.

[Tankster]

Yes, World PvP was dead in WoW the moment TBC came out.

True, i remember pre-BC world pvp even on NORMAL servers... high levels hiding on rooftops in enemy territory at some newb town and us newbs calling out in zone chat for help from the high levels. Then theyd come running in on their mounts and wreck the enemies LOL.

[Riyel]

the thing with WAR is that each zone is tier based so toons of higher level in a higher tier than the zone get turned into chickens in the lower tier zones so no gankage of newbs becomes an ongoing struggle for ppl who want fair play.

I like world PvP over instanced PvP because the confrontations are real clashes and not organized. You have to make use of the terrain that is around you and when u dont have a battle plan it can b exhilarating. Ive seen some SICK PvP vids for WAR from like a year ago and the battles look krazzzzy.

That's what I like about GW. You can go to RA and not know who you will be teamed with, or AB, in which you just see every skill in existance of the game, people are so random in their.

I'm interested to see if that system for WAR works well when it goes live.

[Mordar]

why sure, WAR Combat feels unresponsive because of the huge ammount of lag on all the servers, heck 80% of the servers are full like hell

but whoever says WoW's pvp gameplay and pvp in general it's better than WAR seriously need to check out his fanboy metter, as for the rest, replicant pretty much said it all

[Tankster]

That's what I like about GW. You can go to RA and not know who you will be teamed with, or AB, in which you just see every skill in existance of the game, people are so random in their.

I'm interested to see if that system for WAR works well when it goes live.

mhm i hav a 19 n/w in GW its fun, but fer some reason im more into PvE in that game even though its a pvp-centric MMO at heart.

[Riyel]

why sure, WAR Combat feels unresponsive because of the huge ammount of lag on all the servers, heck 80% of the servers are full like hell

but whoever says WoW's pvp gameplay and pvp in general it's better than WAR seriously need to check out his fanboy metter

WoW's PVP is what ultimately made me quit. What's the point of collecting all this stuff, if your class determines who wins in PvP?

mhm i hav a 19 n/w in GW its fun, but fer some reason im more into PvE in that game even though its a pvp-centric MMO at heart.

I love the PvE too. I think it makes wonderful PvE, especially collecting titles. I think they did a good job splitting the PvE and PvP. Sure, it has it's faults, but I wish WoW woud take a hint from them, and change the effect of some skills when you use them in PvP. Bubbling is balls. Stunlock is balls. Just about any physical damage is balls.

[korncob]

Will you learn to read?

Besides, it's the first or second day of OB....everyone's hyped about the game and everyone can play the game for FREE. Of course it's full. What do you expect?

How about you learn to read carefully what I said...

I was saying that its stupid to think a game in beta will outpopulate a game thats been going for 4 years, is advertised a lot more, and has a MUCH larger playerbase.
Its not like when WoW started in beta it started with 10 million players, I mean seriously it didn't hit even 9million until less than a year ago.

@ fenix : You really think I'm angry? Wow...no I don't get angry over things on forums ~_~

And no, not everyone got to "play WAR for free" a lot of people I know didn't get to play, probably as many as I know that actually got to play. Not to mention there is already a large playerbase that have pre-ordered and are currently planning on subscribing.

[senvil]

I myself was looking forward to it then I got into the closed beta and was extremely disappointed. 4 months later watched my roomie log in and looks like it got maybe 10% better.

People are going to have to step up to the table with much better products at launch to get the numbers they really want when trying to compare it to WoW.

I am going to let this pass on by just like I did AoC and see what Aion might have in store for us at the beginning of next year.

[Alivada]

I'm actually thinking of paying for WoW and War mainly because WoW has nice PvE and i don't want to leave my guild. War on the otherhand looks to have great PvP (hopefully i'll be able to check it out today if GOA have pulled their act together).

[korncob]

1. the learn to read was addressed to the first part of your post.
2. I got that.
3. WoW didn't start with 10mio players from the start. That's true, however back then things were different. Most mmos that came out before/with WoW were more or less unkown(for casual gamers). WoW was basically the game that made the genre that popular - in the west. Now over 10 mio WoW players are informed about the other genre titles, so it isn't unimaginably that a few mio of those players leave WoW for a new game that doesn't fail.
4. It is all about opinion, that's true but opinions are usually based on facts.
10 mio players surely won't prefer one game over several other ones for no reason - now will they?
5. Everyone basically had the chance to play the OB. It's your fault if you don't get one of several thousand keys.

My point was that most of the people that play WoW are dedicated to playing it, like the lore, the backround to the warcraft series, etc. MOST of the people who play WoW played warcraft 3 (I haven't met one person who plays it that hasn't) so thats an obvious indicator that they like the game series itself.

Yes opinion based on fact but not everyone likes the same "facts".

For instance I'll use me as an example. The reason I didn't like WoW was because of the style of the graphics and I didn't like the variety of races/classes.
Now obviously there are people who DO like this game, just as I love WAR and there are obviously people who don't like it. So there is obviously a flaw in saying "10 mio players surely won't prefer one game over several other ones for no reason - now will they?" because there is always a reason you can come up with. WAR is based on PvP/RvR therefor the reason I, having been one of those 10million people previously, prefer WAR is because of the PvP/RvR. I know you meant the other way around but its not like WoW has every single feature from every single MMO ever made, each MMO is different even if its by the tiniest little detail and that is a fact.

[Fortify]

Didn't read 11 pages of flaming, but I agree with the OP, it is extremely over-hyped.

[Mofo]

My point was that most of the people that play WoW are dedicated to playing it, like the lore, the backround to the warcraft series, etc. MOST of the people who play WoW played warcraft 3 (I haven't met one person who plays it that hasn't) so thats an obvious indicator that they like the game series itself.

Yes opinion based on fact but not everyone likes the same "facts".

For instance I'll use me as an example. The reason I didn't like WoW was because of the style of the graphics and I didn't like the variety of races/classes.
Now obviously there are people who DO like this game, just as I love WAR and there are obviously people who don't like it. So there is obviously a flaw in saying "10 mio players surely won't prefer one game over several other ones for no reason - now will they?" because there is always a reason you can come up with. WAR is based on PvP/RvR therefor the reason I, having been one of those 10million people previously, prefer WAR is because of the PvP/RvR. I know you meant the other way around but its not like WoW has every single feature from every single MMO ever made, each MMO is different even if its by the tiniest little detail and that is a fact.

I agree with you but that's why I said that out of all the new games WAR had the most potential to get WoW players due to the lore, gfx, races, etc.
After all the Warcraft Lore is based on the one Warhammer.
WoW definitely doesn't have all features but it's not far away from that status either. WoW does a lot of things 'wrong' but overall it does a good job and that, I think, is the reason why it's so popular.

WAR is PvP/RvR people are saying but for me the game failed in it.
If a game 'pretends' to be about something, it should at least do it right(imo).
The RvR is very poor converted. You might not agree with me but one thing is a plain fact: the RvR is very repetitive - and that after a 'very short' time.

[Darc]

This thread fails, how is WAR VASTLY over hyped, it was barely hyped at all. And your comparing a OB to a 4+ year non stop patched game.

SAY WHAT?!

You fail at the keyboard, the internet and at life.

I knew it was going to fail, it was WoW v.2 all along but people hardly listened.

[replicant]

People, a game doesn't have to take all of World of Warcraft's subscribers to be successfull. As long as it has a few populated servers, WAR will be fine and I'll be contented. I heard the server population cap is less than 3000.

Current server cap is 2100, but will be increased slightly over the OBT as long as the servers are stable. I'd honestly like to see the cap at 5000 concurrent connections, but I have no idea what they're using hardware-wise. I just don't wanna scroll down a list of hundred's of servers if the game blows up.

[Noto2]

Just got done with a 3 hour play session of War.

Ha.

Let me say first off, I don't see the game as "bad". It is far superior than the crappy grind fests that come out of Asia, so woot to that. However, when you stack it up to another top MMO, say WORLD OF WARCRAFT, it just falls apart. The combat is rather slow and clunky, the cast bar seems off many times, and the UI seems very uhhh cluttered I guess you would say? The quests are alright, same style just like WoW so I have no beef with them. The graphics... I don't know. They just seem generic, I can't really explain it. The servers aren't very stable right now either, but that's expected because its the first day of OB.

Now before you guys attack back with it has BETTER PVP AND RVR is awesome yada yada, the one thing that kills all of that is that War just doesn't nail down the fundamentals like WoW does. Whereas WoW's combat is fully responsive and dare I say perfect, War feels slow and as I said before clunky. It just kills it for me. I'll be spamming away at lob choppa and it just doesn't feel like it's hitting correctly, and in some ways makes me feel detatched from the combat.

Maybe a few patches down when Mythic can piece together the Combat, I'll give it another shot. But for now, no. I'm cancelling my peorder and giving them about 6 months to get it right.

Edit: I know it's OB, I was in WoW's beta as well and that game showed much more potential than War does now. But as I said before, it isn't totally broken, it just needs a complete overhaul.

In conclusion, lol to the people that said War would dominate WoW. War does have the potential... but right now no.

Where is your god now war-hype boys? >_>
Game fails, company fails, hype arguments fail, Age of conan 2?

[Raiyne]

Where is your god now war-hype boys? >_>
Game fails, company fails, hype arguments fail, Age of conan 2?

Don't be a troll, if you want to post, contribute something other then just simply saying something sucks, because right now, you're looking like a total douche.

[ArcDevil]

Where is your god now war-hype boys? >_>
Game fails, company fails, hype arguments fail, Age of conan 2?

so one guy giving a bad review (for some reasons i suspect) instantly means the game sucks

i can say the game is far from what he said. excellent combat system, customizable UI,heaps of add-ons already lying around monhs before it was released, awesometastic battles starting 15 minutes right after creating your character, and so many content (at release) that could make WoW cry in a corner of pure embarrasement considering his content (at release).
game owns? company owns (as usual)? haters should stfu? WoW to die?

now war has a good review (by me) according to your standards the game will own and be a total success and leave WoW in the dust

[Alivada]

WoW's global cooldown is like.. 1 second dude... 1.5 seconds at most, no way it's 3 second.

Your right i'm pretty sure its 1, was playing WoW today and its no way near 3 seconds as the combat is pretty fast. I hated Lotro for its slow combat as you were only fighting monsters really and still using the same combo of skills you don't even need to look. But because War is mainly PvP based i think the slower combat will be a nice change having to think about what your doing and what your next move is going to be, hell i wouldn't mind if it was turned based.

[Asiankid0]

This thread fails, how is WAR VASTLY over hyped, it was barely hyped at all. And your comparing a OB to a 4+ year non stop patched game.

if you were online the past...month or so checking Free MMORPG section almost daily then you would know what OP is talking about.

[Attila]

And this is what happens when you give onrpginians free keys. Everything goes to hell.

[Cynical]

Really? I read WoW = 1.5s and WAR = 1.4s from a dev somewhere..they just didn't have it showing up correctly so it was taking .5 seconds longer.

ohhh thats what i was looking for !
sorry been awhile and had read the same thing had my facts mixed.
my mistake!!

[ChickenDewd21]

OmGzRoFFLezzzzmahwaffles ;;; lmaoz0mgzzzz wut n00ba tUbahzzz lawwhlzzz

WAR iz wai bettar den wow u nubz ;;; omfgzzzzz wow look liek p00p n WAR look wai bettr combat betr u git moar class+++ juz wai bettarrzzz ;;; omfgzz lawlLLLL

[Arri]

werd. noobs afraid WoW's REIGN OF CHAOS, yes you heard me, is finally coming to a close!

quoting me and using the word noob when you have no idea what it means means you just lost all credibility with me.

[korncob]

OmGzRoFFLezzzzmahwaffles ;;; lmaoz0mgzzzz wut n00ba tUbahzzz lawwhlzzz

WAR iz wai bettar den wow u nubz ;;; omfgzzzzz wow look liek p00p n WAR look wai bettr combat betr u git moar class+++ juz wai bettarrzzz ;;; omfgzz lawlLLLL

wow your cool.

[Vesper]

I like the game, that's all that matters really.

[Lawliet1]

werd. noobs afraid WoW's REIGN OF CHAOS, yes you heard me, is finally coming to a close!

WoW never had a reign of chaos

Warcraft 3 did