If all religions can be included in this I'm all for it. Otherwise forcing a Muslim or Jewish kid to say a Christan prayer goes against their beliefs and should not be allowed.Originally Posted by V-Opolis
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If all religions can be included in this I'm all for it. Otherwise forcing a Muslim or Jewish kid to say a Christan prayer goes against their beliefs and should not be allowed.
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I say this is ok as long as its not mandatory and doesnt offend anyone or cause disruption. As said before, mandatory prayer doesnt belong in public schools, or any public places. Even if every religion is offered, nothing should be mandatory because they may not be religious at all...or they may just simply not want to.
(i honestly dont care if gays marry or not, just trying to argue for the sake of it)
again not what i said...i give up, this is dumb, yall keep saying stuff i didnt say.
im not talking about religion...
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Yes it goes both ways but it's more about having your rights violated. It's not about being gay being right or wrong it's about treating homosexuals like humans and allowing them the same rights because they are human. It's like in other countries where being Christan is seen as a sin to other religions and how Christan's in these countries want equal rights to worship as they please because they are human.
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It's nothing to worry about. it won't pass. and if it does hell will freeze over.
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At the end of the day, even if you're asked 'To pray in your own time'. You still have the right to pray.
As opposed to. 'No, you can never get married because it's not right according to a book'. As you now don't have a right which other people do, just because you're homosexual.
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear.
You shout and no one seems to hear.
i know i can pray, but i want a TEACHER led one...
and ive already said i dont care if gays can marry or not, doesnt bother me...
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Well... At the moment you're comparing the right to marry to being told to pray in your own time.
Needless to say, it's not even close to being that comparable.
At least, within logic anyway.
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear.
You shout and no one seems to hear.
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but your argument was on prayer in school. That is quite clearly a religion based issue, because it's prayer.
As shown below:
Our country is secular (separation of church and state). The United States of America has no official religion.
And even though over time your god has been added to the anthem and put on the money, this is not a christian nation.
Our public schools are run by our secular government, so they should not indoctrinate any kind of religion. A neutral stance should be taken because it's a school for not simply your beliefs, but the beliefs of every tax payer.
Anyone is still free to pray in school in their own free time(ie: in the halls between classes). But forcing prayer in school is just plain out-right evil.
If you want teachers to lead prayer, find a private christian school that does that. But public schools are government funded, and because of the secular stance of our government, it should take no part in religion.
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Then create a group for it. At the college I went to there was a Christan group that met and prayed every day. They did on their own time and it imposed upon no one. Just as I'm sure you would not want to pray to Allah a Muslim kid would not want to pray to our version of God. It's called respect and we should all learn to use it.
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it's not asking you to roll over it's asking you to stay out there lives.....For some reason Christians and most religious factions think they have the right to force themselves in other lives
my point isnt even worth trying to show anymore... proceed, ignore i said anything about religion, back to homosexual marriage.
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Lawl, this is getting quite off-topic, but I want to comment on this before I put my opinion out.
I think the US was obviously founded on Christian principles.
I had some other point I wanted to make, but I forgot what it was...
Now, about the proposition:
I suppose I'm for it, as I think gay marriage is wrong, and how it goes against my beliefs, like Strider said.
A point about that is, if you want to allow homosexuals to marry, where could it end up? Letting people marry animals? Deceased persons? If "it doesn't affect you" is the reasoning to allow gay marriage, this kind of thing could go on infinitely.
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Lawl, this is getting quite off-topic, but I want to comment on this before I put my opinion out.
I think the US was obviously founded on Christian principles.
I had some other point I wanted to make, but I forgot what it was...
Now, about the proposition:
I suppose I'm for it, as I think gay marriage is wrong, and how it goes against my beliefs, like Strider said.
A point about that is, if you want to allow homosexuals to marry, where could it end up? Letting people marry animals? Deceased persons? If "it doesn't affect you" is the reasoning to allow gay marriage, this kind of thing could go on infinitely.
Only sick minds would take it that far.....If your not able to say "I do" verbally or sign language or of consenting age then you should not be able to get married .To use the argument "where will it end" means your running out of reasons
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Thats whats so great about america its ran by states that have different stances, whether its a faith based stance or liberal stance.If you dont like what the state stands for move to state that will accept you.
But to say they are doing this in there own privacy is total bs,why is there a gay day for disney world? i mean seriously why make a gay day for a kids theme park that is horrible. Its spose to be about the children not homosexual relations.
I'm glad i live were this is not even a issue and where gays stay in hiding.
Common Cali vote yes proposition 8.Dont let them over take are theme park's and tv channels. I just had a to ban a tv channel called logo the other day thats deticated to homo sexual talk.
If they do allow gay marriage then paligimy must also be allowed or its discriminatory.
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You kno it comforts me to know that the people supporting this are mostly like u, which is a true shame.
You do realize gays are a minority right? And you do kno that pretty much every minority gets special things catered to them right? Like BET (Black Entertainment Television) for example, thats a channel catering to a minority just like the channel LOGO is catering to the gay minority. Black history month is another example. Loads of Hispanic channels are yet another example. No there isnt a WET (White Entertainment Television) channel, because we're a majority and most things are alrdy that in a way.Gay PRIDE parades are another example. These type of things are catered to minorities to help them meet and relate to others like them, since alot of the country consists of dumb asses like u.
Why are u so upset its a gay day? Would u be upset if it was a "straight day"? No, ur just scared ur kids are gonna get exposed to gay ppl and they sumhow are magically gonna turn gay. Well ill just tell ya right now, if they r, they alrdy are, if they arent, then they arent. Hiding it from them will only pass on ur prejudice or if they are indeed gay, make them hide it from u. They should learn to accept ppl for who they are at a young age. So u, my dear, are gonna have to just get the fuc over it.
News Flash! Your alrdy "letting them!" Its alrdy legal! Ur talking like its sum foreign idea that has never happened, when in reality its been happening for quite a well now and guess what?!?!? WE ARE ALL STILL ALIVE AND LIVING THE EXACT SAME. You dont kno shit, no matter what u say. P.s. Im not a crazy atheist u silly goose, im still kinda lost, dazed, and confused in between lol, but anyways.
The whole genetic talk is a big debate so im not even gonna get into that, but u should work on fixing stating ur beliefs as facts. Pro scientists arent even 100% on this issue (their leaning towards the opposite of ur beliefs), so u sure as hell arent.
But one thing is for sure, its not a str8 up choice. Say its caused by sumthing that happens when their young, please explain to me how its their fault. If they were molested by their dad and magically turned gay, plz tell me how its THEIR fault and why their lifestyle should be punished because of it. "Something happening" is not a choice. If you feel off a building and broke ur arm, was that a choice? No. It was an event, that wasnt a choice.
And if u have a problem with the media take that up with them, this has nothing to do with infringing on the lives of others. If your little feelings got hurt by the media, guess what, u can still go in pray and u have that right. Im not asking ppl to stop making fun of gay ppl, thats up to them, but taking a clear right from them is constitutionally unacceptable. There is no more to it.
Edit: Oh yea. Regardless of what i think of feel huh? So u kno more about me then i kno about myself? Where did u get this profound insight buddy? The bible doesnt even say this, so im very curious to kno how u learned more about my life then i ever knew, yet got it so completely wrong and twisted. Hmm, interesting.
Open up ur mind alittle bud, being that closed minded cannot lead to anything good. But heh, u would never admit ur wrong, and on top of that, ur prolly too close minded to realize ur wrong. So ya, im done i suppose. Well, im sleepy, gnight.
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Thanks for proving my point. That guy has turned from his life of sin. Sure, it's hard to fight sin. The temptation will always be there, but his new and current life is one that is deemed admirable in the eyes of the Lord.
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Thats not a arguement thats a guy haunted by sexual demons thats trying to get his life straight between him and god. but instead he's got a freind like you telling him its alright and not helping him further his relationship with the lord. but plenty of them thought they were born gay but it turns out there not once they truely get into the word of the lord.
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That doesn't work for everyone. I feel that people can be born gay, people have said that they knew they were gay since they were kids. IMO that's proof enough. Also being a homosexual was once thought to be a mental illness.
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I am a lesbian in a man's body, am I still a lesbian?
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People say they are psychic and a god does that make them one? reality is they can be straight even if they are haunted with those kind of thoughts.
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Hey, since I was a kid, I thought I was a purple elephant. Based on your philosophy, I must be a purple elephant.
People can not be born gay. Get that out of your head. It's all a choice, be it a conscious decision or a factor that happened in ones life to become that way.
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U see, he's still gay (or bi). Hes just forcing himself to not date guys for his religion. Ur problem is u think being gay is all about sex and penis. Its not, its about genuinely liking the same sex physically, emotionally, and sexually, the EXACT same as being straight in all aspects except gender. So hes gay, just forcing himself to not act on it. He's not even very happy doing that, but he feels he must for his religion.
I for one would never force myself to date someone who im not truly happy with, and most other ppl wouldn't either. So no, ur point remains moot.
It's only defined that in states where its illegal. Thats how states get around the constitution, cause the constitution says they cant discriminate, so they redefine. There is no set in stone definition of marriage cause states vary. Though it always involved 2 ppl and not polygamy, idiot.
K now i think im rele done, just found that.
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This is where you are wrong.
There are those that do have a traumatic life experience that changes them. Thats just a few though.
Most are born that way, and there have been more than enough studies that show it, studies that have used genetic, hormonal, and brain scan evidence backing it up.
This is flaw your whole train of logic.
Evolution preaches nothing. It is simply a description of what has been observed, nothing more nothing less.
You need to stop putting your own life structure onto other ideas because there is obviously no similarity.
Last time I checked marriage is not a christian thing, and was around thousands years before your religion was ever created.
So what grants Christians ownership over marriage?
I understood the first two lines. The rest I'm confused with.
can you please start using what resembles English grammer man?
Atleast when it's a slightly more serious discussion like this where it's important for people to understand each other.
How is insulting you akin to not allowing a group of people to marry?
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Of course you dont understand couse you dont undertsand how religion works.Other wise you'd understand why he has those thoughts.
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