http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor...ition_8_(2008)
I really don't know what to say, I thought most people had gotten past this ******ed issue (by which I mean, people caring about what other people do in the bedroom is stupid). I guess not, huh.
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Proposition 8
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor...ition_8_(2008)
I really don't know what to say, I thought most people had gotten past this ******ed issue (by which I mean, people caring about what other people do in the bedroom is stupid). I guess not, huh.
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Wow that's total bull****.
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Am I missing something? I don't see anything.
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The article got deleted.
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Ahh i joined this group on facebook lol. I thought this issue was settled for Cali. I hope it works out for em. I c it as discrimination, and there is no other way to put it.Originally Posted by shadowsworn
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You'll have to place a ) at the end of the URL after you click the link.
For some reason it removes it.
Anyway.
It's not really a surprise to me. Being British I only get an outside looking in view, but, it's a typical American thing to me.
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear.
You shout and no one seems to hear.
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only problem with marriage is that a married couple has benefits that a non-married couple doesn't.
I am not saying it's wrong or not for who marries who much less what gender you are, but I am saying that this raises problems.
I live in California so I got to vote on that one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_8
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fixed. Sorry, i forgot to put in url tags, and the automatic url tagger doesn't work very well I guess.
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That's a great exemple of why i'm losing faith in mankind. It's so stupid.
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Why not just let it be against your beliefs?
You're not being harmed, so why not just let them do it and morally disagree? Why do you need to go the extra mile and force them not to?
Literally makes zero sense.
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On the order of 1,400 legal rights are conferred upon married couples in the U.S. Typically these are composed of about 400 state benefits and over 1,000 federal benefits. Among them are the rights to: joint parenting;
joint adoption;
joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child;
decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her;
crime victims' recovery benefits;
loss of consortium tort benefits;
domestic violence protection orders;
judicial protections and evidentiary immunity
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I really don't understand how someone could support banning gay marriage. I mean it's discrimination plain and simple. I also don't understand why people can think their god would really get all worked up over same sex marriage but when you ask they have no good reason as to why he should be against it other than "cause he just doesn't like it" but that's a whole nother thing.
I go to a private school and have to sit there and listen to people bash gays all the time and it really pisses me off. I don't get how some of the brightest people in our class can be so smart and so close minded at the same time.
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This is just dumb, but it just goes to show how much religion has so much political power. (This is why man shouldn't rule over man)
Even though i dislike seeing gay people, thats not my position to tell them whats right and wrong. With that being said people should be able to express themselves however they please, Who the **** are you to tell them there wrong? Are you god?! No so shut the hell up and sit back down.
Anti-government.
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Wow.. I just... wow.
The Christian spirit has no value? REALLY? So, let me get this straight: An issue comes up that blatantly defies what is preached in the Bible, and just because I choose to actually follow what is written, what I was taught, and what I believe to be morally and ethically correct, Christians have lost that "spirit"?
"Hey, you Christian guys!"
"What, us?"
"Ya, hey, we're gonna do something that goes completely against what you believe, but we expect you to be ok with it and just roll over. Sound good?"
"Sure thing bro! We've got that Christian spirit flowing through us! PUMPED UP WITH TEH JESUS JUICE!"
Sound more like what we should be doing? Honestly, why are you entitled to an opinion on the matter, but the second someone actually disagrees with it, their opinion is stripped away and made void?
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But, again, why do you care what other people do in privacy if it doesn't affect you at all?
*confused*
I'm not bashing christianity, but I just honestly don't understand why people care so much about banning this.
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I accept opinions, but not when they start impeding on my freedom/rights.
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I thought the bible also taught to 'Turn the other cheek' and 'Love thy neighbor.'.
As opposed to 'Take away the rights of your fellow man.'.
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear.
You shout and no one seems to hear.
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Whenever I think about the kind of people opposing gay marriage, I picture that general from Dr. Strangelove.
"We must protect our precious bodily fluids from the homosexual conspiracy!"
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It's not even about that. You can disagree all u want, but dont let ur beliefs infringe on other ppls lives or rights, especially when it doesnt affect u 1 bit. Not everyone believes what you do, and living in this country u should understand that and respect that and realize that tons more things will come along that go against what u believe.
Christianity also believes u should treat people nicely and equally no matter what. Even if they are sinning. And if u ask me, working for taking ppls rights away, and working for discrimination, isnt very Christian like.
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...What. The. ****.
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You have no idea what Christianity even preaches then, do you? Yes, we are to treat every body equally and show love to them. That does NOT mean we are to accept their sinful life. Have you ever heard the story of the stoning of the prostitute by the pharisees? If so, it's quite obvious what Jesus is trying to get across to this woman:
I made things easier for you and bolded the part I'm trying to get you to see. Jesus told the woman to turn away from her sinful nature. He didn't condem it, but he didn't accept it. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. I have no authority to condem the actions of a homosexual, but I have every right not to accept it or agree with it. It goes against the Bible entirely, and I promise you'll never find something that says other wise.1Jesus, however, went to the Mount of Olives. 2At daybreak he appeared again in the temple, and all the people came to him. So he sat down and began to teach them. 3But the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery.[a] After setting her before them,[b] 4they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the very act of adultery. 5Now in the law, Moses commanded us to stone such women to death. What do you say?” 6They said this to test him, so that they might have a charge against him. But Jesus bent down and began to write on the ground with his finger.2
7When they persisted in questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let the person among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Then he bent down again and continued writing on the ground.[c] 9When they heard this, they went away one by one,[d] beginning with the oldest,[e] and he was left alone with the woman standing there.[f] 10Then Jesus stood up and said to her, “Dear lady,[g] where are your accusers?[h] Hasn't anyone condemned you?”
11She said, “No one, sir.”[i]
Then Jesus said, “I don't condemn you, either. Go home, and from now on do not sin any more.”[j]
Jesus the Light of the World
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So then don't accept homosexuality, disagree with it morally all you like, but that doesn't give you the right to openly force your beliefs onto others.
You've got no right to vote for an OBJECTIVE law based on a SUBJECTIVE belief. Your vote is essentially religion being forced on those who aren't necessarily religious.
Why? Is living your own life "free" of "sin" not enough?
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I kno a shit load about it. I constantly go to an amazing church with my family (even though im not very christian) and what is now i believe the 3rd fastest growing church in the nation.
I alrdy understand u dont accept it, but that doesnt mean u should infringe on their life and use ur personal beliefs against them, when their doing absolutely NOTHING wrong to UR life. That is NOT in anyway, shape, or form equal or just. There is no other way of putting it, its just pure wrong. How would u like someone coming up to u and saying u cant get married because ur a Christian? Except that situation would not even be as bad as this one, cause at least u can control ur religion.
The bible sayin that shit is one of the main reasons im not taking it to heart. You can not say u made man, then say being gay is a sin, when that is completely out of their control and "in the hands of god". Makes 0 sense.
not allowing teachers to lead prayer in school is against my beliefs, fix that and ill care..
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There was a place designated for prayers in my Secondary School. You can go there and pray if you want.
Mandatory prayers have no place in school or anywhere.
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