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I'm not 100% up against penalty, but those guys deserved a little more punishment than just 5 to 9 stupid years, one of them was even accused of ****
the death penalty tho, does not apply in this case because as I've read, the victirms willingly took part in unprotected orgies and gay sex, and nowadays the HIV it's one of the most controllable infections, with the new anti-retro-viral treatments you could almost cure HIV with constant treatment and care
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Chemical Warfare, this is it.
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What would jesus do?
The Common Sense United Front
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Thats the problem, they only got 9-5 years.Originally Posted by Norrin Radd
Sure, but its still an horrible thing to do.
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To me, it just seems like their punishment was a slap on the wrist.
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For some reason this came to mind.
Still a terrible thing to do.
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That's where I agree, and I stand by the belief that the death penalty should be administered only when no doubt remains whatsoever. If because of that only one case comes along every five to ten years that's simply open and shut in that regard, then so be it. Like I said before, it's not something that should be doled out to everyone who's committed even a misdemeanor.
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well isn't amsterdam part of that whole "doucheland" german thing. In america, they'd have like a life sentence or even death. I dunno, that's pretty messed up. I think they should get death yet in reality they're not killing these people. HIV doesn't kill anyone. Now if these people get a COLD or something, that's whats going to kill them.
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Why the hell would they do something like that?
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that is one of the most terrible things I've ever heard of. These men should be put away for life in maximum security prison (I don't believe in capital punishment)
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How does the cold kill them? Oh, right, because they have HIV. A stupid game of semantics doesn't change what these men did.
It might also be helpful to know that Amsterdam is not in Deutschland, which is another name for Germany and only Germany.
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And the price you pay is a "big brother - state" scenario?
We are not really much short of that for reasons of bogus public safety.
~+~
To me it wouldn't be relevant, if there is certainty or not.
Why?
Because i also do not care about their terms or if they get punished "enough".
I care about my personal level of security or threat and that is not there;
I also care about the level of security of others and that might be there, but there will be a lot of effort spent in executive act by the state to counter that, excluding hanging and excluding also locking them up in a livelong solitary.
Both do not strive to achieve the best result with the least severe impact on everyones lives (yea, that means to a significant extent, they produce an avoidable and un-called for one).
If you think that doesn't happen, protest about that, but what good comes from locking people up?
Criminality and domestic violence and acts of random unprovoked brutality like that will not go away.
I read a lot of "how could they do that" also;
I think an outcry for harsh punishment validates a general sense of their achievement rather than following rules in situo (and they are not generally lacking, just because people "feel" like it).
A dispute about fundamentals induced by cause is not rational, it is having a clear emotional target and origin, that already makes it obsolete and worthless.
Certainly an unnecessary exaggerated violation of peoples lives is not beneficiary for anyone, especially, when there aren't any rational arguments for it.
Even if those people happen to have offended the law and the lives of others; making things worse is not producing any results but self-gratification of lowest drive, by harming others and living out illegitimate cowardice.
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Thankfully this wasn't back in the day, because they can get help for the HIV now, its not the end for them.
Kbye.
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lolwut? There is no cure for AIDS, you didn't know that?
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I didn't say 'cure', I said 'help'.
There are certain medications that can be prescribed to the type of AIDs.
There's no cure because its always changing.
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WAiting for someone with more patience than myself to come and correct you.
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You don't need to be patient to correct me.
Give me a valid reason why I should believe that there is no hope for HIV/AIDS victims.
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What the ****ing shit? Why isn't this filth not purged from the face of the earth already? What the ****ing shit is wrong with humanity, it gets worse every single ****ing day.
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lolwut?
Why have you lost hope?
A lot of people in Africa probably can't afford treatment, so I guess they really don't count.
If we didn't have treatment for AIDS in the US, our population would probably be cut in half.
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While I disagree with some of Norrin's stance on the death penalty, he was merely trying to make state an example for his point. Read between the lines, not just face value.
My opinion? You have no right to take justice in to your own hands. If someone commits murder, it's up to the government to decide what to do. I personally don't feel like paying with my taxes so some sick and vindictive person can sit in a cell for the rest of his life. In some circumstances I am very much in favor of the death penalty. There are exceptions though: Man-slaughter? Accidents? Things like that are NOT worth the death penalty. But a murder stemming straight out of hatred, evil, and cruelty deserves no mercy, or justice.
And yes, the death penalty should only be enacted when it is absolutely clear, beyond a shadow of a doubt that the suspect was in-fact guilty of murder. Anything else, and it shouldn't even be up for debate.
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Just wondering one thing;
What were you thinking, when your wrote that?
I mean, that's just ridiculous...
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Well, now please, if you dare, give reasons for it.
Find one that doesn't imply, that involuntary euthanasia is a perfect valid moral option and you get a cookie.
You won't find one though, because death penalty isn't anything but that.
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