The thing is, you can never be 100% sure that someone is guilty, ever. Not to the fact.
To me, you have to be when the punishment is death. That's one of the very many reasons I don't feel it should exist.
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The thing is, you can never be 100% sure that someone is guilty, ever. Not to the fact.
To me, you have to be when the punishment is death. That's one of the very many reasons I don't feel it should exist.
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Any form of punishment by the state is a profound misunderstanding of the separation of powers.
A legal system aimed at punishing people has given up on it's responsibility in front of humanity and is nothing but a sign of a failed society under the boots of the plebs, mobocracy and it's unecessary purely self serving violence.
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Inject them with aids.
There, simple solution, that'll teach them.
Kill someone? You die, IMO thats how justice should be.
If they feel they have the right to do such thing, they should be given the same fate
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People really don't know what a "justice system" is...
It's not for enacting justice but for enabling it.
Of course that is to complicated a concept for people to understand.
Just shows how they have no idea of what is just, nor how they are disinterested in anything but themselves.
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And yet, if I go out and kill in revenge for a murder against my family, I'd be eligible for the death penalty by your admission, yet...it's also justice to you.Originally Posted by Popsai
Let's just make murder legal.
Some people...
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Well im not saying that, im saying that in cases like this theres no other way IMO, doing such horrible thing shouldnt just hold them for 9 years.
Killing, in revenge, isnt right, but it shouldnt be given death penalty for it.
Im saying in such cases like this, people should be given the same fate.
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Lets hear what Magic Johnson has to say.. "HIV is Not a Death Sentence"
http://www.voanews.com/english/archi...8-26-Magic.cfm
And many others agree.
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Until there is a cure, I'd rather be dead.
Sidenote: I'm not really in favour of the death penalty (I don't have anything against it either mind you) but certain circumstances that are so abhorent I don't feel that reformation is enough and a price has to be paid, I can understand the victim's familys wanting blood. If you willfully go out and ruin 14 people's lives for no reason what-so-ever, and I was one of those people, I wouldn't want justice, I'd want strangle-y revenge. If the system wouldn't do it for me, I'd take it into my own hands. >
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Well, you're wrong. You don't condemn someone for thinking they have the right to take a life, then take one themselves.
If your issue is that the justice system doesn't detain them long enough, then...fix it. Don't quick fix it.
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Thats the deal, for something like this, 5-9 years?
Ridiculous, i support the death penalty only in certain cases, and IMO this is one, or at least life in prison.
I find it dificult to believe these kind of people are getting let into the streets again.
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hm, i wonder if they would let me hurl bricks at them...
or inject them with ebola.
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Chemical Warfare, this is it.
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What would jesus do?
The Common Sense United Front
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For some reason this came to mind.
Still a terrible thing to do.
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well isn't amsterdam part of that whole "doucheland" german thing. In america, they'd have like a life sentence or even death. I dunno, that's pretty messed up. I think they should get death yet in reality they're not killing these people. HIV doesn't kill anyone. Now if these people get a COLD or something, that's whats going to kill them.
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Why the hell would they do something like that?
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How does the cold kill them? Oh, right, because they have HIV. A stupid game of semantics doesn't change what these men did.
It might also be helpful to know that Amsterdam is not in Deutschland, which is another name for Germany and only Germany.
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Thankfully this wasn't back in the day, because they can get help for the HIV now, its not the end for them.
Kbye.
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lolwut? There is no cure for AIDS, you didn't know that?
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I didn't say 'cure', I said 'help'.
There are certain medications that can be prescribed to the type of AIDs.
There's no cure because its always changing.
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What the ****ing shit? Why isn't this filth not purged from the face of the earth already? What the ****ing shit is wrong with humanity, it gets worse every single ****ing day.
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lolwut?
Why have you lost hope?
A lot of people in Africa probably can't afford treatment, so I guess they really don't count.
If we didn't have treatment for AIDS in the US, our population would probably be cut in half.
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That's where I agree, and I stand by the belief that the death penalty should be administered only when no doubt remains whatsoever. If because of that only one case comes along every five to ten years that's simply open and shut in that regard, then so be it. Like I said before, it's not something that should be doled out to everyone who's committed even a misdemeanor.
Reputation: 677
And the price you pay is a "big brother - state" scenario?
We are not really much short of that for reasons of bogus public safety.
~+~
To me it wouldn't be relevant, if there is certainty or not.
Why?
Because i also do not care about their terms or if they get punished "enough".
I care about my personal level of security or threat and that is not there;
I also care about the level of security of others and that might be there, but there will be a lot of effort spent in executive act by the state to counter that, excluding hanging and excluding also locking them up in a livelong solitary.
Both do not strive to achieve the best result with the least severe impact on everyones lives (yea, that means to a significant extent, they produce an avoidable and un-called for one).
If you think that doesn't happen, protest about that, but what good comes from locking people up?
Criminality and domestic violence and acts of random unprovoked brutality like that will not go away.
I read a lot of "how could they do that" also;
I think an outcry for harsh punishment validates a general sense of their achievement rather than following rules in situo (and they are not generally lacking, just because people "feel" like it).
A dispute about fundamentals induced by cause is not rational, it is having a clear emotional target and origin, that already makes it obsolete and worthless.
Certainly an unnecessary exaggerated violation of peoples lives is not beneficiary for anyone, especially, when there aren't any rational arguments for it.
Even if those people happen to have offended the law and the lives of others; making things worse is not producing any results but self-gratification of lowest drive, by harming others and living out illegitimate cowardice.
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